Blunt Amendment Killed In The Senate

[DamnYankee]

The Blunt Amendment failed ,it was yet another try by the right-wing to exepmt any employer from paying for birth control in the GOP's endless war against women of child bearing age.

Kooks have a never ending supply of exaggerations.

[302Riz]

You also don't believe America is a democracy, so I hope you'll understand if I don't rely on the authority of your legal judgment.

It isnt. So that is your argument? You invoke Jeffersonian Democracy as an argument, I then post the some excerpts of the definition of it, and you reply with "I wont rely on the authority of my legal judgement". Interesting that you would say that after your argument is proved wrong. Did you just make that up?
So, I guess I shouldnt rely on your authority on economics AND legal judgement.

America is a Constitutional Republic

A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. Because the head of the state is elected, it is a republic and not a monarchy.
In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches.[1]
The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes the state a republic.

Purpose and scope

John Adams defined a republic as "a government of laws, and not of men."[2] Constitutional republics attempt to weaken the threat of majoritarianism and protect dissenting individuals and minority groups from the "tyranny of the majority" by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[3] The power of the majority of the people is limited to electing representatives who legislate within the limits of an overarching constitutional law that a simple majority cannot modify.
No single individual is allowed to exercise executive, legislative and judicial powers. Instead, these powers are separated into distinct branches that serve as a check and balance on each other. In a constitutional republic, "no person or group [can] rise to absolute power."[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

[DamnYankee]

I had to laugh at the Georgetown co-eds that apparently spend upwards of $3000 a year on birth control. What a bunch of sluts, I wonder if they ever heard of keeping their knees together, I mean it's free and they would be savings huge amounts of money.

[86Dùde]

*yawn*

*farts*

[Cyclone Ranger]

It isnt. So that is your argument? You invoke Jeffersonian Democracy as an argument, I then post the some excerpts of the definition of it, and you reply with "I wont rely on the authority of my legal judgement". Interesting that you would say that proving your argument wrong.

Bullshit. America is a Jeffersonian democracy: we elect representatives to form a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

We believe, as Jefferson did, in a system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and that democracy is not the tyranny of the majority. None of the those things is native to a constitutional republic, which can have any kind of government as long as there is a constitution and is not a monarchy.

Franco's Spain was a constitutional republic, but unlike the United States, it was not also a democracy. So America is not only A democracy, it is also THE democracy - the world's first true representative democracy.

Any claim to contrary is a stupid motherfucking pile of horseshit.

[Vader]

The scandal is employers thinking they have the right to force their religious beliefs on employees.

EXACTLY. The thing is ... it is what they do and their republigoon sevants (most of whom are ignorant enough to believe the USA is a theocracy) want business to have this right. It is the reason they need to be removed from office.

[Vader]

I had to laugh at the Georgetown co-eds that apparently spend upwards of $3000 a year on birth control. What a bunch of sluts, I wonder if they ever heard of keeping their knees together, I mean it's free and they would be savings huge amounts of money.

Keep your opinion to yourself ... you self-rightious republican shitbag.

[hadit]

Keep your opinion to yourself ... you self-rightious republican shitbag.

Hey, you found another one! Keep it up, you'll be back in top form in no time!

[Cd.]

Repeal obummercare, give the rights back to the people, where it belongs and all this petty shit will go away and healthcare will eventually get cheaper.

Actually the Affordable Healthcare Act gives the power to the people. What you really mean to say is "give the power back to the corporations who are robbing us blind while fucking us over!"

[DamnYankee]

Actually the Affordable Healthcare Act gives the power to the people. What you really mean to say is "give the power back to the corporations who are robbing us blind while fucking us over!"

As if Big Gov't is any better.

What BO gives, BO can take away, including birth control for leftist sluts.

Deal with it.

[Vader]

As if Big Gov't is any better.

What BO gives, BO can take away, including birth control for leftist sluts.

Deal with it.

Spare us your lame opinion. You sorry right wing nazi asshole.

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[soylentgreen]

The Blunt Amendment failed ,it was yet another try by the right-wing to exepmt any employer from paying for birth control in the GOP's endless war against women of child bearing age.

Wait. So, now birth control is a "right" of some kind? Why? Where is that guarantee found in the constitution? Furthermore, where is the requirement for employers to PAY for that "right"?

No one is forcing anything on anyone. If an employer has a moral objection (or simply does not want to pay for non-essential medical costs) that's not stopping the employee from going out and getting it on their own and paying for it themselves. There's also no one stopping the employee from finding employment elsewhere that better fits their wants/needs/desires as far as healthcare is concerned.

If access to "free" contraception paid for by employers is a "right", then I want my employer to buy me firearms. After all, the second amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms. Why is my employer forcing their anti-gun opinions on me!?!??!

Most employers don't pay for fertility treatments. I know because my wife and I paid for them out-of-pocket. To be quite honest, birth control pills are a minor expense in comparison. So, I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for those who want it paid for.

[hadit]

Wait. So, now birth control is a "right" of some kind? Why? Where is that guarantee found in the constitution? Furthermore, where is the requirement for employers to PAY for that "right"?

No one is forcing anything on anyone. If an employer has a moral objection (or simply does not want to pay for non-essential medical costs) that's not stopping the employee from going out and getting it on their own and paying for it themselves. There's also no one stopping the employee from finding employment elsewhere that better fits their wants/needs/desires as far as healthcare is concerned.

If access to "free" contraception paid for by employers is a "right", then I want my employer to buy me firearms. After all, the second amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms. Why is my employer forcing their anti-gun opinions on me!?!??!

Most employers don't pay for fertility treatments. I know because my wife and I paid for them out-of-pocket. To be quite honest, birth control pills are a minor expense in comparison. So, I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for those who want it paid for.

That is the correct motorcycle. There is no "OHNOES, THE EEVUULLL WEPUBWICANS HATE WOMENS AND DON WANNA GIVE THEM PILLLLSSS!" crap. That's absolute stupidity, even on democrat terms.

[Sparkly Mary]

I had to laugh at the Georgetown co-eds that apparently spend upwards of $3000 a year on birth control. What a bunch of sluts, I wonder if they ever heard of keeping their knees together, I mean it's free and they would be savings huge amounts of money.

Just a minor correction. The testimony was that it was 3000 for the entire time in law school. That's 3 years. That amounts to ~83 per month for a BC prescription, which is not covered under the insurance that the students are mandated to purchase. With BC not being covered under insurance, 83 per month is quite reasonable.

No one is asking insurance to cover condoms or any other OTC product. Just the prescription ones.

The Georgetown studends have to pay for insurance as mandated by the school, and that plan is not meeting their needs. They want this remedied, so they went to the school and got turned down. She was telling her story, and illustrating the situation faced by students there.

She was then "jokingly" referred to as a slut and a prostitute who was wanting taxpayers to pay her to have sex. Nothing could have been further from the truth of her testimony. Nowhere did she say, she should receive cash to have sex. She simply wanted a prescription covered under her insurance plan.

Whether the school is obligated to cover that is the issue.

[86Dùde]

Spare us your lame opinion. You sorry right wing nazi asshole.

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Go pack fudge with your ton ton vader!

[DamnYankee]

Just a minor correction. The testimony was that it was 3000 for the entire time in law school. That's 3 years. That amounts to ~83 per month for a BC prescription, which is not covered under the insurance that the students are mandated to purchase. With BC not being covered under insurance, 83 per month is quite reasonable.

No one is asking insurance to cover condoms or any other OTC product. Just the prescription ones.

The Georgetown studends have to pay for insurance as mandated by the school, and that plan is not meeting their needs. They want this remedied, so they went to the school and got turned down. She was telling her story, and illustrating the situation faced by students there.

She was then "jokingly" referred to as a slut and a prostitute who was wanting taxpayers to pay her to have sex. Nothing could have been further from the truth of her testimony. Nowhere did she say, she should receive cash to have sex. She simply wanted a prescription covered under her insurance plan.

Whether the school is obligated to cover that is the issue.

Just a minor correction:

have no idea what kind of birth control she was claiming cost $3,000. Out of pocket, condoms are free or about $1, the Pill costs as low as $4 a month/ $10 over three months, an IUD is $500 but lasts 5 years, etc. There really is not a birth control that should cost $3,000 over 3 years

This is about the left forcing their will on a religious institution spearheaded by a kook activist.

http://www.alexashrugged.com/2012/03...dra-fluke.html

[Sparkly Mary]

Just a minor correction:



This is about the left forcing their will on a religious institution spearheaded by a kook activist.

http://www.alexashrugged.com/2012/03...dra-fluke.html

Again...not all brands of BC pills are available in generics and not all brands will work for all women.
Lulu is a prime example as she's posted that the pills she is on are not some of the cheaper ones, but they are the only ones that work for her.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Wait. So, now birth control is a "right" of some kind? Why? Where is that guarantee found in the constitution?

Not all rights are enumerated.

[soylentgreen]

That is the correct motorcycle. There is no "OHNOES, THE EEVUULLL WEPUBWICANS HATE WOMENS AND DON WANNA GIVE THEM PILLLLSSS!" crap. That's absolute stupidity, even on democrat terms.

If we were talking about life-saving medications, I'd be completely and totally on their side. But, we're not. We're talking about medications that impede the natural functioning of the human body...and in 99.99% of women it is not a necessary treatment for any disease.

[optimus]

I had to laugh at the Georgetown co-eds that apparently spend upwards of $3000 a year on birth control. What a bunch of sluts, I wonder if they ever heard of keeping their knees together, I mean it's free and they would be savings huge amounts of money.

Sig worthy. A nice little insight into the deranged mind of a rightist.