Blunt Amendment Killed In The Senate

[Lulu]

hadit doesn't understand how insurance works. That is quite clear from his posts. I'm done offering my primer in how premiums, deductibles and insurance work. He's on his own from now on.

[Lulu]

So why are these women demanding somebody else help pick up the tab?

Who are they asking to pick up the tab?

[Sparkly Mary]

Oh, he gets it alright. He just doesn't want to admit that we're right to request that our insurance providers cover prescription contraceptives. He doesn't want to admit that a Catholic college is picking and choosing which laws it wants to follow.

It's much easier to call us sluts and try to stomp around spouting off like we're expecting him personally to pay for it. He knows how insurance works. He's being obtuse because he's been constantly called out on it.

It's much easier to continue to hide behind a false assumption than to admit he can see what our point is.

[Lulu]

You're probably right. I have yet to see any reason or any rationale why they think THEY are paying for it. Except of course because Rush says so.

[Sparkly Mary]

You're probably right. I have yet to see any reason or any rationale why they think THEY are paying for it. Except of course because Rush says so.

Because Rush is always right, right?
It's easier to demonize women, than admit that lack of affordable prescription contraceptives is a problem that needs to be addressed, and again, that religious organizations are picking and choosing which laws they think they need to follow, but expect the state/federal dollars to continue to flow in.

[Vader]

No one is "forcing" anyone to do anything. Don't like it? Don't go to Georgetown. Problem solved. BTW, im sure if you can prove that you have other insurance, Georgetown will waive the requirement. They just don't want students not having health insurance. I'd think that's a GOOD thing!


Your definition of "sub-par" means that everyone on the plan can't get medically unnecessary treatments? That's strange...


I'm sure there are. But, it seems there are also reasons NOT to go there if you object to their rules. If you weigh all the pluses and minuses...and still decide to attend the school...then you are consenting to their rules. Suck it up, Nancy.


But, I have a choice whether I want to attend that private for-profit school or not! I don't have a choice when the government requires it of every citizen. Do you not see the plain and simple distinction there?

What do the sex abuse cases have to do with this? Nothing but a cheap shot. It shows your real motivations. You're just anti-catholic and anything that hurts them must be good.

What I'd like to understand is why Catholic organizations providing birth control pills is SO critical. Is this a life-saving medical technology? Is there an epidemic that needs solving? What is the real harm in allowing them to continue their policies as they have for decades?

Again, it is totally unreasonable for someone who joined a Catholic school or place of employment to expect their health plan to include birth control pills. It's beyond ridiculous.

Save your ball-juggling antics for the GOP parties you attend.

[hadit]

Oh, he gets it alright. He just doesn't want to admit that we're right to request that our insurance providers cover prescription contraceptives.

I'm afraid you DON'T get it. I will again state that insurance companies covering prescription contraceptives is a good thing, and in a free market, the majority would do so because the demand for it is high. My problem, which I THOUGHT you understood, is with the government stepping in and forcing ALL companies to do it.

He doesn't want to admit that a Catholic college is picking and choosing which laws it wants to follow.

Until now, the First Amendment protected the Catholic Church from Congress forcing it to go against its religious principals. Now Obama is trying to force them to provide contraceptives, something they have never accepted. You know this.

It's much easier to call us sluts

Produce evidence of where I called anyone a slut or retract the statement.

and try to stomp around spouting off like we're expecting him personally to pay for it. He knows how insurance works. He's being obtuse because he's been constantly called out on it.

I have been consistent with where my disagreement lies. I pay now for insurance that provides contraceptives, but I do so willingly. I don't want the government assuming the power to dictate that religious organizations have to act against their beliefs.

It's much easier to continue to hide behind a false assumption than to admit he can see what our point is.

The only place we disagree is on the government forcing religious institutions to act against their religious beliefs. I thought you knew that, because I've explained it multiple times. Or is it just easier to ignore all that than to admit I not only see your point but agree with most of it?

Seriously, I tire of the collective you mischaracterizing my position on this.

[hadit]

Save your ball-juggling antics for the GOP parties you attend.

The Vader has spoken! Act like you care.

[soylentgreen]

The GOP crowd claims to be pro-family. And pro-responsibility. So, they want families to stay together, and for people to not have kids they can't afford. Fair enough.

"Responsibility" sometimes involves doing things for yourself instead of expecting your church, government, insurance carrier, or employer to do it for you.

But THEN, they say "If you can't afford both insurance and contraception, don't have sex! Easy!"

Here I was thinking that health insurance was intended to mainly address medically necessary treatments that restore proper bodily function. Birth control pills impede natural body function. Should optional treatments such as elective abortions also be dictated? How about sex change operations? Breast implants?

How good of advice is that for married people? Just don't ever, ever, ever have sex? And also, don't have more kids? And also, don't have marital problems and get divorced?

Boo fucking hoo.

These people are stupid or delusional or something. The "right/freedom/liberty" (HUGE EYEROLL) of insurance companies to profit off of not providing contraceptives to their customers trumps everything else at the end of the day? And this is pro-family, pro-responsibility, pro-marriage "liberty"?

Are you retarded? Insurance companies will likely make more profit. The more services they're on the hook to pay for, the higher they will charge for coverage. Insurance company profits are on the issue. The issue here is that there are some people (I'm not one of them) who have a moral objection to contraceptives...and they therefore do not want to pay for it. I know you can't understand this becuase you won't even try.

[soylentgreen]

Actually, no, it isn't, it's a pro- keep your religion to yourself movement.

They are keeping their religion to themselves. If you work for their religion, you must abide by their rules. If you object to their rules, don't be a member or employee of their church. Problem solved.

[coolfun]

I as a Harvard law student agree that in the strict sense of the word USA is not a proper democracy

[Truth Teller]

Mitt Romney was against the Blunt Amendment before he was for it:

[Cyclone Ranger]

I as a Harvard law student agree that in the strict sense of the word USA is not a proper democracy

As a retired New York City attorney, I say nonsense.

[Vader]

They are keeping their religion to themselves. If you work for their religion, you must abide by their rules. If you object to their rules, don't be a member or employee of their church. Problem solved.

No, they are not. You are not bright enough to see it apparently, but they are not.