How does the absence of a deity

[GanjaFreebird]

I will pay you up to $20 if you can provide any evidence you have received a 1099 for 2011. Come on kid, stop the madness and quit pretending. That said, let' make it a goal for you to get employed so you get a 1099 next year!

I don't need your $20, and yes, I've actually just received it a few weeks ago, but I don't put any private information on the internet, sorry.

[Šñøü†ê®]

"It?" Just one?

[antiquity]

I don't need your $20, and yes, I've actually just received it a few weeks ago, but I don't put any private information on the internet, sorry.

I find that comical after you have promoted yourself here for years.

I also find that comical you have no problem putting out and wanting other peoples private information on this site but some how believe a percentage of your income tax paid is out of bounds.

[Šñøü†ê®]

^EXACTLY! As you indicate antiquity, Ganga is a hypocritical troll. Fortunately he is too dumb to do much damage with the personal info he obtains from people.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Deity or no deity, can't you have morals without a religion?

Of course, but to really screw up the economy of a country like the US, you have to get government to legislate your morals. That's not likely to happen, if you have a deity.

[Freedom&Liberty]

How, praytell, do safety nets violate the 1st amendment?

Congress established a religion called liberalism.

[GanjaFreebird]

I find that comical after you have promoted yourself here for years.

I love sharing my music with people, however, that doesn't include information about my taxes.

I also find that comical you have no problem putting out and wanting other peoples private information on this site but some how believe a percentage of your income tax paid is out of bounds.

I mean, why would it matter to you if I'm paying 5% or 10% or 20%. The point is, I'm paying the share of taxes that the government expects me to pay, and that's all you need to know.

"It?" Just one?

OMG, is that really the best you can do.

EXACTLY! As you indicate antiquity, Ganga is a hypocritical troll. Fortunately he is too dumb to do much damage with the personal info he obtains from people.

What "damage" could ANYBODY do with the fact that you're Jewish, please tell me. After all, that's why your mom left anti-semitic Europe to America, so that you wouldn't have to deal with such problems. However, that still doesn't prevent us from making Jewish jokes about you, as you are a very funny person, and your fake "anti-semitism/zionism" doesn't "help" the situation either.

[GanjaFreebird]

Congress established a religion called liberalism.

Such religion doesn't exist.

[BooRadley]

safety have nothing to do with the general welfare of the union.

The crap load of problems in the Great Depression were addressed with social safety nets. The whole Union suffers when 1/3 of the population have to resort to crime just to get some food for their kids. The over-all cost of not having them is much higher than the cost of having them, and that addresses a general welfare concern. The cost of a shop keep replacing the lock on his door, the insurance payments, the cost of law enforcement, trial, and 30 days in jail for some guy who broke into a bakery to steal some food is considerably higher than the cost of a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat.

The Republican way of "ignore the problems and hope they go away" isn't effective planning. You guys would spend a billion in associated costs to avoid paying a million in welfare, just out of pure spite. It's ridiculous, irrational, emotion-based policy that, luckily, we got past decades ago.

[Šñøü†ê®]

I love sharing my music with people, however, that doesn't include information about my taxes.

Sharing being the key word. Again, at some point you have to start charging people in exchange for cutting their lawns or whatever it is you can do that people are willing to pay for.

I mean, why would it matter to you if I'm paying 5% or 10% or 20%.

Or 0% Basically it means you have not earned enough to reach the threshold to pay taxes. Get to fluckin' work you lazy bum.

[Freedom&Liberty]

The crap load of problems in the Great Depression were addressed with social safety nets. The whole Union suffers when 1/3 of the population have to resort to crime just to get some food for their kids. The over-all cost of not having them is much higher than the cost of having them, and that addresses a general welfare concern. The cost of a shop keep replacing the lock on his door, the insurance payments, the cost of law enforcement, trial, and 30 days in jail for some guy who broke into a bakery to steal some food is considerably higher than the cost of a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat.

The Republican way of "ignore the problems and hope they go away" isn't effective planning. You guys would spend a billion in associated costs to avoid paying a million in welfare, just out of pure spite. It's ridiculous, irrational, emotion-based policy that, luckily, we got past decades ago.

Your gonna have to do a whole lot better than this.

[BooRadley]

Your gonna have to do a whole lot better than this.

Nope.

[Freedom&Liberty]

The depression ended a long time ago. Why should we continue to spend 2.1 trillion dollars a year?

[9ball8]

Your gonna have to do a whole lot better than this.

This is precisely where the conservatives have failed their duty as the "loyal opposition". Conservatives have not provided attacks on liberal safety nets, based on business sense. Rather than the emotional crap about safety nets taking away initiative, independence and prosperity, why not prove it? For example, show how spending X amount on the poor actually increased their percentage of the total population. That one should be easy. Go for it.

If Republicans had done just that since of the welfare state was gearing up (say, late 60's), they would have a lot more cred than they do now.

[BooRadley]

Poverty is defined as the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.[1] According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010,[2] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in relative poverty.[3] In 2000, the poverty rate for individuals was 12.2% and for families was 9.3%.[4]

The government's definition of poverty is based on total income received. For example, the poverty level for 2011 was set at $22,350 (total yearly income) for a family of four.[5] Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty..._United_States

United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) figures for poverty in 2011[5] Persons in

Family Unit 	48 Contiguous
		States and D.C.	Alaska 		Hawaii
1 		$10,890 	$13,600 	$12,544
2 		$14,710 	$18,380 	$16,930
3 		$18,530 	$23,160 	$21,320
4 		$22,350 	$27,940 	$25,710
5 		$26,170 	$32,720 	$30,100
6 		$29,990 	$37,500 	$34,490
7 		$33,810 	$42,280 	$38,880
8 		$37,630 	$47,060 	$43,270
Each additional
person adds 	$3,820 		$4,780 		$4,390

A working mother with two children CANNOT live on $18,530 in my region. That won't even pay the rent on a 2 bedroom apartment in a ghetto neighbourhood, so don't tell me the poverty rate is too high.

If we don't provide welfare assistance for food, shelter, day care, do you really expect to just let the kids starve to death? Or do you think it will instead result in something much worse than the cost of a PB & J sandwich?

[Freedom&Liberty]

You're not getting it. Government shouldn't care what the percentage is. If you do, spend your own money.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Bullshit. Protecting the weak goes to the core of why we have a society and a government to begin with.

[Freedom&Liberty]

That's nonsense. Government.wasn't created to cure societies ills. Liberals fucked up BIG TIME.

[9ball8]

That's nonsense. Government.wasn't created to cure societies ills.

The only gov't that sought to cure none of societies' ills didn't last much longer after they fell to that level. Take the French Revolution as one reaction to that blindness.

We should suffer no anarchists, just because they wish everyone behaved well enough and were perfectly willing to quietly kill themselves when their resources run out.

[Cyclone Ranger]

That's nonsense. Government.wasn't created to cure societies ills. Liberals fucked up BIG TIME.

Bullshit, it wasn't. Government and society exist to protect the weak from the strong. If it were not for that, there would be no purpose for either society or government at all.