Iran Is Now A Top Threat To America

[86Dùde]

Hell no it doesn't pass the straight face test.

[86Dùde]

^ A few factual errors above.

1. Foreign policy is not actually domestic policy.

2. The Palestinians will do anything to preempt an actual settlement with the Israelis, like conduct suicide bombings meant to disrupt the proceedings.

3. If Iran wants to avoid a war, they can always stop manufacturing nuclear arms.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

It's not manufacturing nuclear arms dork.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Bullshit it isn't, dork.

[Guido]

^ A few factual errors above.

1. Foreign policy is not actually domestic policy.

2. The Palestinians will do anything to preempt an actual settlement with the Israelis, like conduct suicide bombings meant to disrupt the proceedings.

3. If Iran wants to avoid a war, they can always stop manufacturing nuclear arms.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

You're an ignoramus who knows jackshit about this subject. Get lost.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Name-calling and stupidity are not arguments, fool. If you had any, you'd be making them.

[Guido]

3. If Iran wants to avoid a war, they can always stop manufacturing nuclear arms.

The problem with talking to Cowpunk is that you have to waste a lot of time just establishing what everyone else in the world knows, and thus never get to the interesting controversial aspects.

Here's what everyone knows, Walter Mitty:

All 16 U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in 2007, and again in 2011, that there is no military dimension to Iran’s nuclear program. And despite the hyperbolic reporting on it, the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said, “the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material.”

A U.S. intelligence official explained to The Washington Post that Iran has not decided to pursue nuclear weapons: “Our belief is that they are reserving judgment on whether to continue with key steps they haven’t taken regarding nuclear weapons.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...soP_story.html

Even the Obama administration has had to admit this. On CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said, “Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they’re trying to develop a nuclear capability.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-3460_162...in;contentBody

Adm. Dennis Blair, Obama’s former director of national intelligence, told Congress in March 2009, “We judge in fall 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons design and weaponization activities” but that Tehran “is keeping open the option to develop them.”

http://www.dni.gov/testimonies/20090310_testimony.pdf

Mohamed ElBaradei, former head of the IAEA, said that same year that he did not “believe the Iranians have made a decision to go for a nuclear weapon, but they are absolutely determined to have the technology because they believe it brings you power, prestige and an insurance policy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/op...t-edcohen.html

#1 and #2 in your post are literally too stupid to merit ridicule.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I'm not Cowpunk.

[Cyclone Ranger]

As always, you only post sources that confirm your political prejudices, and ignore ones that don't:

Senior staff members of the United Nations nuclear agency have concluded in a confidential analysis that Iran has acquired “sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable” atom bomb.

A senior American official said last week that the United States was now re-evaluating its 2007 conclusions.

The atomic agency’s report also presents evidence that beyond improving upon bomb-making information gathered from rogue nuclear experts around the world, Iran has done extensive research and testing on how to fashion the components of a weapon. It does not say how far that work has progressed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/wo...04nuke.html?hp

That's on top of posting inane absurdities like "Foreign policy is really domestic policy": and denying reality by trying to sweep the fact the Palestinians preempt peace talks with suicide bombings and rocket attacks under the rug.

[hadit]

All 16 U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in 2007, and again in 2011, that there is no military dimension to Iran’s nuclear program. And despite the hyperbolic reporting on it, the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said, “the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material.”

Were those the same agencies that were certain Saddam had WMD's, and on whose beliefs we launched a war? Just curious.

[Guido]

Were those the same agencies that were certain Saddam had WMD's, and on whose beliefs we launched a war? Just curious.

You somehow seem to have accidently raised an interesting issue here.

Whereas the American media in 2002 followed the lead of the U.S. government in beating the war drums against Saddam, they now seem even more eager for war against Iran than the U.S. government itself, which actually appears somewhat reluctant.

The U.S. has orchestrated devastating and always-escalating sanctions which, by design, are wrecking the Iranian economy, collapsing its currency, and generating serious hardship for its 75 million citizens. The U.S. military has that country almost completely encircled. The U.S. military behemoth, and Israel’s massive nuclear stockpile and sophisticated weaponry, make the Iranian military by comparison look almost as laughable as Saddam’s. Iran’s scientists have been serially murdered on its own soil, their facilities bombarded with sophisticated cyber attacks, and dissident groups devoted to the overthrow of their government (ones even the U.S. designates as Terrorists) have been armed, trained and funded by Israel while leading American politicians openly shill for them in exchange for substantial payments.

Somehow the mainstream media, along with the politicians, manage to portray this state of affairs as Iran "threatening the world," provoking a war of self-defense led by the United States and/or Israel. The only thing unusual here is that, with Iran, the American media actually seems out in front of the U.S. Government in the propaganda effort rather than in their normal position of submissively marching behind.
I don't really know the reason for this: perhaps our society has become so militarized that we've lost our ability to understand the world in any other terms -- terms that don't involve the use of military force.

Time and again, Americans support whatever new war of aggression their government proposes, then come to regret that support and decide the war was a “mistake,” only to demonstrate that they learned no lessons from their “mistake” by eagerly supporting whatever the next proposed war is. Most Americans continue with this strange mindset: we realize we were wrong to support those past wars you gave us, but we stand ready and eager to support this next one!

[86Dùde]

You somehow seem to have accidently raised an interesting issue here.

Whereas the American media in 2002 followed the lead of the U.S. government in beating the war drums against Saddam, they now seem even more eager for war against Iran than the U.S. government itself, which actually appears somewhat reluctant.

The U.S. has orchestrated devastating and always-escalating sanctions which, by design, are wrecking the Iranian economy, collapsing its currency, and generating serious hardship for its 75 million citizens. The U.S. military has that country almost completely encircled. The U.S. military behemoth, and Israel’s massive nuclear stockpile and sophisticated weaponry, make the Iranian military by comparison look almost as laughable as Saddam’s. Iran’s scientists have been serially murdered on its own soil, their facilities bombarded with sophisticated cyber attacks, and dissident groups devoted to the overthrow of their government (ones even the U.S. designates as Terrorists) have been armed, trained and funded by Israel while leading American politicians openly shill for them in exchange for substantial payments.

Somehow the mainstream media, along with the politicians, manage to portray this state of affairs as Iran "threatening the world," provoking a war of self-defense led by the United States and/or Israel. The only thing unusual here is that, with Iran, the American media actually seems out in front of the U.S. Government in the propaganda effort rather than in their normal position of submissively marching behind.
I don't really know the reason for this: perhaps our society has become so militarized that we've lost our ability to understand the world in any other terms -- terms that don't involve the use of military force.

Time and again, Americans support whatever new war of aggression their government proposes, then come to regret that support and decide the war was a “mistake,” only to demonstrate that they learned no lessons from their “mistake” by eagerly supporting whatever the next proposed war is. Most Americans continue with this strange mindset: we realize we were wrong to support those past wars you gave us, but we stand ready and eager to support this next one!

Yeah, what I already said.

[86Dùde]

As always, you only post sources that confirm your political prejudices, and ignore ones that don't:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/wo...04nuke.html?hp

That's on top of posting inane absurdities like "Foreign policy is really domestic policy": and denying reality by trying to sweep the fact the Palestinians preempt peace talks with suicide bombings and rocket attacks under the rug.

In other words they have a attained the capabilitity or soon shall attain the capability of creating an atomic weapon. What Panetta basically already said. I'm glad you agree, thank you, drive through please. Next.

[Cyclone Ranger]

So now you agree, dork.

[86Dùde]

No, you said they were making bombs. I say they have the capability of making bombs, which is what Panetta said. The threshold had not been breached douche wagon. When it is breached Obummer will probably bomb the shit out of them.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Right, the Ayatollahs are just developing the capability to make weapons, spending all that money and resources, but not the actual weapons themselves. Right.

[Powerboss]

Have the warmongering leftists established how Iran is a threat to the US yet or are they continuing to pretend the question wasn't asked?

[Cyclone Ranger]

It was established long before the warmongering right wing decided to invade Iraq for no reason.

[Powerboss]

Can you please re-establish? We're waiting.......

Face it, the warmongers here are 2 Jews and a Jew Lover. This is about Israel, why can't you just be honest for once and admit it or is blatant dishonesty part of your leftist / Jewish heritage too?

You really do give Jews a bad rep.

[86Dùde]

Right, the Ayatollahs are just developing the capability to make weapons, spending all that money and resources, but not the actual weapons themselves. Right.

We already had 1 war without any evidence not cowpunk!

[Powerboss]

Ain't it funny how they won't answer the question! LOL.