Reply With QuoteArchaix (02-03-2012)
Boy, if that isn't a reliable source, I don't know what is.Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty
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Archaix (02-03-2012)
You said he'd expressed socialist sympathies, didn't you? That's what socialism means.
Can you refute what's there? I didn't think so.Boy, if that isn't a reliable source, I don't know what is.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
This thread isn't about refuting your silly right wing insanity, you're just trying to avoid dealing with the topic. STAY ON TOPIC. Cite and list REASONS why Obama is a socialist. Period. If you can't do it, then STFU.
Archaix (02-03-2012)
Demolishing The Economy To Replace It With State Control
Obama has:
All of these policies represent time-honored Communist policies specifically designed to devastate the free market economy as well as impoverish and punish the upper and middle classes leading to their elimination so that the Communist "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat" can be introduced. It is important to note that in each and every historical instance Communism has been introduced into democratic countries and they were all swiftly changed to totalitarian dictatorships of a single leader benefiting from a "Cult Of Personality."
- Handicapped American multinationals by denying them tax deferral, placing them at an enormous competitive disadvantage against corporations based anywhere else.
- Launched entitlement programs which punish innovation and dry up funds for entrepreneurial start ups.
- Stopped the Treasury from implementing any real recovery plans, discouraging private capital flow into the financial sector.
- Stated "we have to spread the wealth around, we have to redistribute the wealth of this country through taxation," which is a paraphrasing of Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
- Declared a "War On Business" as shown by his legislation that pharmaceutical corporations pay high rebate fees to Medicaid and promoting the importation of foreign drugs which could include low potency or outright counterfeit drugs into the nation. The financial outlook for US pharmaceutical companies has been decimated.
- Placed nearly two thirds of a trillion dollars into a health reform reserve fund, which is the tip of the iceberg in the expectations of the cost of fully socialized medicine in America. USA Today has stated that every household in the United States would be on the hook for over half a million dollars.
Policies virtually identical to these were implemented by:
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in 1917 Russia
Josip Broz Tito in 1945 Yugoslavia
Mao Zedong (Tse-tung) in 1949 China
Fidel Castro in 1959 Cuba
Hugo Chavez in 1999 Venezuela
and now they are being implemented by
Barack Hussein Obama in 2009 United States of America.
http://hallicino.hubpages.com/hub/To...By-Obama-Today
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
His past IS proof. Why do you think Communist Party USA supports Obama in 2012?
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
Haha he ain't no socialist. Obama's another Wall Street puppet and big business whore. And he loves his wars as much as GW. Which makes him a chicken hawk.
None of the above-mentioned things have anything to do with creating a classless cooperatively owned worker state.
So they consequently have nothing to do with communism.
Note for the future: the definition of communism =/= anything Freedom and Liberty happens not to like.
BS. Obama simply correctly noted that creating an economic recovery requires working together with the financial sector and big business. There is no other way.
He's personal property belonging to Wall Street bankers, insurance companies, weapons manufacturers, lobbyists, etc. It's not the private sector because it overlaps with government and it's not the public sector either.
It doesn't matter if you call him a "capitalist," a "socialist" or a "communist" -- these labels are supposed to describe someone's belief system. But why should a politician like Obama have a belief system? It's not his job. His job is to get elected and beliefs only get in the way. He's a brand, and that's all he is.
Quando vem a madrugada, meu pensamento vagueia
Corro os dedos na viola, contemplando a lua cheia
Apesar de tudo existe, uma fonte de água pura
Quem beber daquela água, não terá mais amargura
Desilusão, desilusão
Danço eu dança você
Na dança da solidão
Lets see.
Obama's mentors were Marxist socialists. Many of his friends, cabinet officials / czars have connections and are connected to Marxist socialists. The SEIU, one of Obama's biggest supporters is connected to the communist party
There is no guessing at what Obama believes, he says what he believes and what he believes is hard left Statism, Marxism, Utopianism, whatever you want to call it.
His rhetoric of spreading the wealth, redistribution of wealth comes straight from Marxist theory.
He believes in collective actions and suppressed individualism.
From the takeovers of the automobile industry to healthcare to banking to the attacks on religious institutions to the recent attack on the Catholic Church, it all makes it very clear.
Maybe you deniers can explain why the leader of the CPUSA sees Obama as their ally on their quest for socialism?
Maybe you can explain why Obama was a member of the Illinois New Party, an openly socialist political party. http://keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_...essive_Chicago
I don't care what you want to call him or if you want to continue to deny reality. The fact is clearly that he's a radical, far left statist and much of his core revolves around Marxist / collectivist ideology. The reality is that there is a large contingent of like minded statists running around Congress with the same un-American values.
Freedom&Liberty (02-03-2012)
You don't believe America is a socialist country? Let's see...60% of our national government's outlays are spent on socialist programs such as Social Security, Medicare, etc. Is that not evidence enough for you?
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
Evidence?!
The programs aren't "socialist" just because they're entitlements.
A communist says what?
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
86Dùde (02-05-2012)
What would you call it then? Wealth redistribution?
Ron Paul Revolution must continue...
www.lewrockwell.com
www.endthefed.com
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.
Really? Like who?
As did Bush, since most of his cabinet officials were neo-cons, and therefore "connected" to former Trtoskyiites.Many of his friends, cabinet officials / czars have connections and are connected to Marxist socialists.
Evidence? And even if they were, that doesn't mean Obama believes in communism.The SEIU, one of Obama's biggest supporters is connected to the communist party
btw, note that guilt by association is a bunch of horseshit which is no longer accepted in American political discourse, or the law.
Evidence? Please cite a reference to Das Kapital indicating where Marx said that we should un-skew the capitalist income distribution instead of creating a classless worker state.His rhetoric of spreading the wealth, redistribution of wealth comes straight from Marxist theory.
Evidence?He believes in collective actions and suppressed individualism.
Preventing capitalist industries from collapsing has nothing to do with dialectical materialism.From the takeovers of the automobile industry to healthcare to banking to the attacks on religious institutions to the recent attack on the Catholic Church, it all makes it very clear.
Maybe you can explain how the leader of the CPUSA stating he sees Obama as his ally in his quest for socialism means Obama believes in socialism.Maybe you deniers can explain why the leader of the CPUSA sees Obama as their ally on their quest for socialism?
For example, Hitler saw Bismarck as an ally in implementing his ideology of national socialism, but Bismarck did not believe in Naziism.
He wasn't. Key Wiki is not an authoritative source. There is no evidence Obama was ever a member of the Chicago New Party, except in the minds of hysterical right-wing bloggers.Maybe you can explain why Obama was a member of the Illinois New Party, an openly socialist political party. http://keywiki.org/index.php/Barack_...essive_Chicago
Obama has never said anything suggesting he accepts dialectical materialism as his political ideology, nor do his actions indicate such. It has no more substance than the similarly ridiculous right wing claims Republicans have been making since he was elected: ie, that Obama is an alcoholic, a Muslim, a Kenyan, a fascist, etc.I don't care what you want to call him or if you want to continue to deny reality. The fact is clearly that he's a radical, far left statist and much of his core revolves around Marxist / collectivist ideology. The reality is that there is a large contingent of like minded statists running around Congress with the same un-American values.
Entitlement programs.
Dumbass leftists wouldn't recognize proof, so what's the frickin point of even trying to explain to kooks anyway?Prove That Obama Is A "Marxist" or "Socialist" in This Thread
caddis (02-06-2012)
The point is to show right wing kooks, like you -- that you're all dumber than owl shit (to quote my neggah Big Steve.) Get it?
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