Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?

[lily]

It's not limited to any one president (who I think are basically puppets) but yes, pretty much.

[86Dùde]

They're puppets, trust meh.

[lily]

^ Yep, I agree, as you can see in this video I began making (but didn't finish) haha

[Vader]

You never answered my question. And you fail to realize that democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to being whores for big business... all you have to do is look at the prostitute in charge, Obama to see it. Big business, unions; etc...they all have Obama in their pockets.
What we have now are liberals, whom take their word as gospel and shove their religion of central planning, entitlement programs
Uncontrollable spending, borrowing and taxing the country into oblivion. That you are ok with?

I never said that some Democrats aren't just a bad. Entitlement programs are necessary, they're staying, get used to it. Democrats, for the most part, seek secularism in government. It's not a law cause the bible says so with Democrats... that would be the hypocritical jackass republicans.

As to the taxing and borrowing, it wouldn't really be needed if the previous republican administration hadn't invaded Iraq. In 1997, after Clinton's exist from office, there was a budget surplus. After Bush there was a deficit.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Idiot.

[Archaix]

Things are going to change. Economies and governments will completely collapse. Millions will die and commies like you, CR and Archaix will be to blame.

Looks like I just got my new sig.

How come you've stopped debating, by the way?

[Chachma v'Oz]

Idiot.

That's the consensus, on both the man and the party that supported his candidacy. Thus Obama's election in 2008.

[Freedom&Liberty]

I was talking to Vader, but you can share the title.

[86Dùde]

Lord Vader is probably off shining his helmet.

[Archaix]

Lord Vader is probably off shining his helmet.

You should be like this all of the time!

[Freedom&Liberty]

That isn't a fact, but an opinion.

Yep, and it's damned good one.

You're ignoring the evidence I provided on income inelasticity, reduced per capita GDP growth rates and the reduction, not increase, of regulation (particularly in the financial sector, to tragic results). In fact, the USA has lower public social spending by percent of GDP (16%) than such insignificant countries as, er, Japan (19%), the UK (21%), Germany (25%) and France (27%).

THE USA'a should be 0%.

Most already have that, and it doesn't work. How are they supposed to compete in your 'free market'?

It does work and they don't have to compete globally.

By appealing to people's sense of community and ability to act collectively, as well as providing incentives to do better (which I don't think you can claim is purely 'greed') and security of being able to control to some extent the future through economic intervention. All things that you oppose and have no answer to (or outright deny).

Emotional drivel.

Dependency has nothing to do with the size of government

I'm not, nor have ever described myself as, a communist.

You're already a socialist. It's only a matter of time until you grow up and become a commie.

Put that in your sig.

[Vader]

Idiot.

Yes, you are an idiot from the south. We know this. Kindly close your mouth ... we don't want to look at your tooth.

[Vader]

Yep, and it's damned good one.

Nope.

THE USA'a should be 0%.

Nope. The taxation is necessary ... you republifacists make not like it, but it is necessary.

It does work and they don't have to compete globally.

Nope. More republican bullshit.

[lily]

*yawning* at this discussion.

[86Dùde]

Yes, you are an idiot from the south. We know this. Kindly close your mouth ... we don't want to look at your tooth.

Using the power of the force as your guide maybe you can help Freedom pick a s suitable dental care plan.

[Freedom&Liberty]

I can always get dentures. Not sure if insurance companies can fix Vader. Stupid is a liberal STD.

[Archaix]

Yep, and it's damned good one.

So why aren't you defending it and critiquing my arguments in favour of social spending/programmes?

THE USA'a[sic] should be 0%.

Pensioners, those looking for work, poor families and veterans would all disagree. And you still haven't addressed my arguments.

It does work and they don't have to compete globally.

They do in a free market. Or they can invest in a service economy, which is much harder to export, requires advanced communications equipment, foreign languages training and an ability to compete with places like India that already have all that and their own established markets.

Emotional drivel.

Then by the same token is your sole appeal to greed.

You're already a socialist. It's only a matter of time until you grow up and become a commie.

It’s only a matter of time until you grow up.

[Freedom&Liberty]

There are no arguments for social spending that are valid. I don't want a government that cares if people starve to death or have ass cancer. If you do, then feel free to use YOUR money to help them and keep government out of it. It's that simple. You can't save people from themselves.

You can call that greed or cold or selfish or whatever you want, but you'll never convince me that I'm responsible for other peoples problems.

[Archaix]

I don't want a government that cares if people starve to death or have ass cancer. If you do, then feel free to use YOUR money to help them and keep government out of it.

Do you have any idea how much cancer treatments cost? No, you don't, because then you wouldn't suggest something as stupid asking individuals to foot every single bill.

You can't save people from themselves.

This is why it's important that you realise that the most unfortunate people in your society did not get there because of the choices they made.

you'll never convince me that I'm responsible for other peoples problems.

Which is why you needn't foot people's medical bills or pay their rent while they find a new job. You pay the government, and the government is responsible.

[antiquity]

Do you have any idea how much cancer treatments cost? No, you don't, because then you wouldn't suggest something as stupid asking individuals to foot every single bill.

That is what insurance and safety nets are for.

This is why it's important that you realise that the most unfortunate people in your society did not get there because of the choices they made.

Eh, yes it is the reason they are in the position they are in. The only people who have no choice are they that are born as unfortunates. Making bad choices should not be my fault.

Which is why you needn't foot people's medical bills or pay their rent while they find a new job. You pay the government, and the government is responsible.

The governments job is not to house and feed any able body person no matter what their situation is. Its the government job to give a hand up when needed not a hand out.