Is President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?

[Chachma v'Oz]

It's very telling that ChaCha thinks local and state issues should be brought to the federal level when he doesn't get his way.

I'm flattered that you equate my positions with the will of the people. That's very telling.

[Freedom&Liberty]

You're so arrogant that you can't recognize your ignorance.

[hadit]

Thus the system of checks and balances. When that fails, we get bad policy. Have you forgotten 2001-2006 already? Your positions on issues suggest so.

I haven't forgotten. Quite obviously, you HAVE forgotten 2009-2010.

[Archaix]

Socialism wants to distribute the ownership of property among the community.

Socialism in the Marxist sense wants to get rid of private property, and mere socialists like myself have no interest in people owning their own homes outright. So not really, no.

Government controlled how banks lent money. That's not capitalism…In a capitalistic environment banks would have operated independent of government. They never would have made toxic loans. Instead, our socialistic government demanded that banks distribute loans to people who didn't even begin to meet normal minimum loan requirements.

No, your government allowed companies to do whatever they want –that’s capitalism, not socialism. And were they responsible? No, they exploited their new customers to the fullest extent of the law and then tried to make profits through selling their new bad assets on through asset-backed securities (ABS).

And now you want to blame everything except the system that made it possible.

Our debt can just as easily be attributed to social security and medicare. That chart is just politically biased cherry picking.

Basic welfare provisions are being undermined by huge and regressive tax cuts, no question about it.

I have no obligation to feed, shelter or clothe people I don't even know. Neither does government.

Yes it does, because they’re human beings just like you*. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know them.

Hardly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

As Germany bails out the rest of the union, it's economy will stumble. It's already begun -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

Actually, it’s one of the few European countries profiting from the crisis, which is why it doesn’t mind backrolling Greece. With a huge and highly-developed manufacturing base, it was always going to destroy weaker countries in the Union:



I suppose that’s what happens in a “free” market :/



*inasmuch as your lack of natural compassion for your fellow creatures still means you’re human.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Socialism in the Marxist sense wants to get rid of private property, and mere socialists like myself have no interest in people owning their own homes outright. So not really, no.

No property rights = no freedom.

No, your government allowed companies to do whatever they want –that’s capitalism, not socialism. And were they responsible? No, they exploited their new customers to the fullest extent of the law and then tried to make profits through selling their new bad assets on through asset-backed securities (ABS).

My government forced banks to make loans they wouldn't have otherwise made. It also provided incentives, like Fannie and Freddie, that socialized the risk. That's not capitalism.

And now you want to blame everything except the system that made it possible.

Wrong. Our socialist government made it possible.

Basic welfare provisions are being undermined by huge and regressive tax cuts, no question about it.

Spending increases are the problem. Countries must learn to live within their means.

Yes it does, because they’re human beings just like you*. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know them.

I don't care about them. I'll take care of the people I care about and you do the same. Leave government out of it.

Actually, it’s one of the few European countries profiting from the crisis, which is why it doesn’t mind backrolling Greece. With a huge and highly-developed manufacturing base, it was always going to destroy weaker countries in the Union:



I suppose that’s what happens in a “free” market :/

Unless Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc., end entitlement spending, Germany will be forced to drop them like a hot potato. Millions of Europeans will die due to socialism, and it will happen here in America too.


*inasmuch as your lack of natural compassion for your fellow creatures still means you’re human.[/QUOTE]Being a socialist doesn't make you human.

[hadit]

Basic welfare provisions are being undermined by huge and regressive tax cuts, no question about it.

How can they be regressive when they result in the wealthy bearing a greater share of the total tax burden?

[Archaix]

No property rights = no freedom.

No freedom to own private property, at least.

My government forced banks to make loans they wouldn't have otherwise made. It also provided incentives, like Fannie and Freddie, that socialized the risk. That's not capitalism.

No, that’s a gross distortion:

Most recently, competition between mortgage securitizers led to a race to the bottom on mortgage underwriting standards [only going for clients who wouldn’t default] that ended in the late 2000s financial crisis… Although standards declined across the market, the largest and most powerful of the mortgage securitizers, the Government Sponsored Enterprises (“GSEs”), remained more successful than other mortgage securitizers at maintaining prudent underwriting.

(Source)

The problem was your free market capitalist government thought it could trust the market not to screw up. They were wrong.

Spending increases are the problem. Countries must learn to live within their means.

What, the most powerful country in the world can’t afford decent healthcare for all its citizens? Oh wait, I forgot Obama renewed Bush-era tax cuts.

I don't care about them. I'll take care of the people I care about and you do the same. Leave government out of it.

No, because so long as the government cares about people you and I don’t know there won’t be a humanitarian crisis in the USA. Punishing people with utter poverty will not inspire anyone to be a rich entrepreneur, anyway, so it doesn’t even make economic sense.

Unless Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc., end entitlement spending, Germany will be forced to drop them like a hot potato. Millions of Europeans will die due to socialism, and it will happen here in America too.

Don’t be so melodramatic –over-compensatory though Greek and Portuguese welfare may have been, austerity measures are cutting them back. But Greece and Portugal are mere consumers now, and all they’ll buy are German goods.

Being a socialist doesn't make you human.

What?

How can they be regressive when they result in the wealthy bearing a greater share of the total tax burden?

They’re comparatively regressive.

[Freedom&Liberty]

No freedom to own private property, at least.

I figured that one would fly over your head.

No, that’s a gross distortion:

(Source)

The problem was your free market capitalist government thought it could trust the market not to screw up. They were wrong.

Capitalism is an economic system. It's not something a government can be. Socialists in our government caused our economy to collapse. Clinton allowed banks to merge with insurance. Liberal congressmen encouraged more home lending and lied that the GSE's were doing fine. We're still bailing them out.

What, the most powerful country in the world can’t afford decent healthcare for all its citizens? Oh wait, I forgot Obama renewed Bush-era tax cuts.

I have decent health care. I don't care if others have any.

No, because so long as the government cares about people you and I don’t know there won’t be a humanitarian crisis in the USA. Punishing people with utter poverty will not inspire anyone to be a rich entrepreneur, anyway, so it doesn’t even make economic sense.

I don't care if there is a humanitarian crisis in the USA. Hunger is the best motivator.

Don’t be so melodramatic –over-compensatory though Greek and Portuguese welfare may have been, austerity measures are cutting them back. But Greece and Portugal are mere consumers now, and all they’ll buy are German goods.

You'll choke on each others socialism. Watch and see.

What?

Ponder that for awhile. It'll give you the proper perspective.

[Vader]

It's very telling that ChaCha thinks local and state issues should be brought to the federal level when he doesn't get his way.

A federal law had to be made to prevent you southern douchebags from executing mentally retarded people. The federal government is charged with many things ... one of those things is OVERSIGHT! When stupid rednecks are too busy thumping the bible to follow the law; the federal government has to get involved. Want examples? Read the stores of the civil rights movement and what happened to the freedom riders.

The feds had to step in and put foot up the corrupt southerner's asses.

[86Dùde]

Them's fightin' words your lordship. The irony is it took your stupid government another hundred years to set them free. Now who is corrupt?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Vader is very confused about almost everything. .

[antiquity]

A federal law had to be made to prevent you southern douchebags from executing mentally retarded people. The federal government is charged with many things ... one of those things is OVERSIGHT! When stupid rednecks are too busy thumping the bible to follow the law; the federal government has to get involved. Want examples? Read the stores of the civil rights movement and what happened to the freedom riders.

The feds had to step in and put foot up the corrupt southerner's asses.

Lester Maddox was one of the most out spoken governor who fought for segregation in the south and he was a democrats.

Vader, do remember George Wallace and his stance against schools being racially integrated? He also was a democrat.

I really do believe you should rethink your hatred of conservatives and read a little history about such organization like the KKK who were mainly started by democrats and not all were in the south.

[86Dùde]

Careful, or you might feel your collar tighten.

[Vader]

Vader is very confused about almost everything. .

Nothing I said was untrue. You can sugarcoat the evils your kind did ... but a turd will always be a turd.

Do not bother denying it. It makes you look guilty.

[Vader]

Lester Maddox was one of the most out spoken governor who fought for segregation in the south and he was a democrats.

Vader, do remember George Wallace and his stance against schools being racially integrated? He also was a democrat.

I really do believe you should rethink your hatred of conservatives and read a little history about such organization like the KKK who were mainly started by democrats and not all were in the south.

Never once did I say that there were not a few democrats who were worthless racist assholes worthy of a dirtnap. There were then, there are now, and that is fact.

I dislike conservatives because they are nothing but an extension of big business. Furthermore, they also have a given love for forcing their bullshit religious dogma on the rest of the world. They don't like abortion so they want to make it illegal. That is not acceptable. If they do not like it, they do not have to participate. They are NOT going to make it illegal because their priest, pastor, or rabbi, tell them it should be.

They need to learn to keep their religion to themselves. PERIOD. Also they need to stop sucking off big business and start representing the PEOPLE of the United States.

Until then, they, and all of those like them from other parties, are nothing more than zealotous, hypocritical, sellouts, who are unworthy of public trust.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Nothing I said was untrue. You can sugarcoat the evils your kind did ... but a turd will always be a turd.

Do not bother denying it. It makes you look guilty.

You should actually learn something about the constitution and how our government works. That way you can stop looking like a complete moron.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Lester Maddox was one of the most out spoken governor who fought for segregation in the south and he was a democrats.

Vader, do remember George Wallace and his stance against schools being racially integrated? He also was a democrat.

I really do believe you should rethink your hatred of conservatives and read a little history about such organization like the KKK who were mainly started by democrats and not all were in the south.

Doing your best to deceitfully confuse political party with political ideology, as if the Sixties Dixie-crats were liberals?

Newsflash: the Democrats weren't always liberal, nor the Republicans conservative.

[hadit]

Never once did I say that there were not a few democrats who were worthless racist assholes worthy of a dirtnap. There were then, there are now, and that is fact.

I dislike conservatives because they are nothing but an extension of big business. Furthermore, they also have a given love for forcing their bullshit religious dogma on the rest of the world. They don't like abortion so they want to make it illegal. That is not acceptable. If they do not like it, they do not have to participate. They are NOT going to make it illegal because their priest, pastor, or rabbi, tell them it should be.

They need to learn to keep their religion to themselves. PERIOD. Also they need to stop sucking off big business and start representing the PEOPLE of the United States.

Until then, they, and all of those like them from other parties, are nothing more than zealotous, hypocritical, sellouts, who are unworthy of public trust.

Yet you applaud TFO and the democrats for forcing their beliefs on the rest of the nation, in fact forcing people to act AGAINST their religious beliefs, something that in a sane world would still violate the First Amendment. Consistency, thy name is not Vader.

[hadit]

Doing your best to deceitfully confuse political party with political ideology, as if the Sixties Dixie-crats were liberals?

Newsflash: the Democrats weren't always liberal, nor the Republicans conservative.

I'm glad you agree that Vader's antipathy toward Republicans based on long past historical events is unfounded.

[Archaix]

I figured that one would fly over your head.

There are different types of freedom, so don’t pretend they’re interrelated. In any case, this irrelevant to the topic: no one advocated the abolition of property.

Capitalism is an economic system. It's not something a government can be.

Yes it is. The stateless capitalism you endorse could not be represented by a government, but all other capitalist economic views can.

Socialists in our government caused our economy to collapse. Clinton allowed banks to merge with insurance. Liberal congressmen encouraged more home lending and lied that the GSE's were doing fine. We're still bailing them out.

GSEs falsely reported that they weren’t as exposed as they were, and hadn’t accepted laxly-underwritten ABSs. Their own underwriting standards, as pointed out above, have been found to have maintained some standards –but the mortgages bagged into ABSs by private companies had no standards. It was the government’s fault for trusting free-market capitalism. They should have maintained underwriting standards across the board.

I have decent health care. I don't care if others have any.

Which is why you shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near government.

I don't care if there is a humanitarian crisis in the USA. Hunger is the best motivator.

It’s more likely to turn people to crime, be enslaved by crooks or, you know, die. What evidence have you that absolute deprivation encourages entrepreneurship?

You'll choke on each others socialism. Watch and see.

Europe is blue, you moron. See for yourself

Ponder that for awhile. It'll give you the proper perspective.

You’re actually insane.