Christopher Hitchens Dead At Age 62

[Cyclone Ranger]

Israel is a democracy, not an ethnic supremacist state where one group has the right to rule over the others at the expense of others' civil rights; ie, the Palestinian Authority.

[Guido]

Israel is a democracy, not an ethnic supremacist state where one group has the right to rule over the others at the expense of others' civil rights; ie, the Palestinian Authority.

It's a "Jewish State." That means: Political power is held by Jews, for the sake of Jews, in the name of Jews. If it doesn't mean that, it means nothing at all. If soveriegnty is held by Jews, as a matter of founding principle, then sovereignty is not and cannot be held by non-Jews. In other words, in the Jewish State, Jews exercise political sovereignty (i.e., the right to make final decisions on all ultimate matters, such as life and death) over everyone else. That's what I mean by an "ethnocracy." At the end of the day, ethnocracy is incompatible with democracy and the contemporary history of Israel is demonstrating that point incrementally, day by day. Anyone who reads Ha'aretz knows this.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Political power is held by Jews because they're the majority of voters in a democracy. That's because the UNGA partitioned the state that way. Nevertheless, Jewish citizens have no more and no less rights than Arabs, Druze, or Christians.

It's no more an ethnic supremacist state than the fact American Christians hold majoritarian power means the US is an ethnic supremacist state.

[Guido]

Political power is held by Jews because they're the majority of voters in a democracy. That's because the UNGA partitioned the state that way. Nevertheless, Jewish citizens have no more and no less rights than Arabs, Druze, or Christians.

It's no more an ethnic supremacist state than the fact American Christians hold majoritarian power means the US is an ethnic supremacist state.

One day perhaps you'll figure out why Israeli leaders keep on insisting that Palestinians "recognize Israel as a Jewish State," and why Palestinians keep on refusing that demand. (Hint: Israeli leaders aren't insisting that Palestinians recognize that Israel has a majority population of Jews, which is a contingent fact subject to change. They ARE insisting that Palestinians recognize the right of Jews to rule over everyone else, and that's why Palestinians reject the demand.) When you figure that out, you'll know what I'm talking about. It works the other way too.

[Cyclone Ranger]

They keep refusing to do so for a simple reason: they don't believe anyone should hold political power on the Arab peninsula except Muslims. In fact, from their point of view, a Jewish nation in what they perceive to be an Islamic waqf could even have the power to prove Muhammad's prophecies wrong.

They don't care about civil rights or fairness. Their nations are mostly ethnic supremacist fundamentalist dictatorships where only Muslims can even testify against someone who's committed a violent crime against them in court. You know that, and your supposed concern for anyone's civil rights (except Jews) is just phony bullshit.

[GanjaFreebird]

If yahweh was to give you crazies land, wouldn't be in a more impressive way than through the terrorism you inflicted to get the British and natives out of the area? Manifest Destiny is so 1800's!

Snouter, stop acting like such a fuckin' goy, the British and the Arabs deserved every bit of the ass kicking they got after what they have been doing to the Jewish people, stop denying the truth.

Ganja, if your first love is the state of Israel, why do you live here and not there. I don't get it, please explain. Just think, you would be within the killing fields and do your thing while playing your guitar, kind of like Nero did during the burning of Rome.

Because I'm a professional guitar player, not a professional soldier that plays guitar, and since it pisses you off, I must be doing the right thing anyways

You are 100% correct. The Jews control all the utilities and even the taxes collected in both the West bank and Gaza and hand them out when they are pressured and not before. Ganja and CR wonders why they fight for their rights. Amazing...

And who do you think provides all of the Palestinians with their utilities and basic needs? Santa Claus? Do you REALLY believe that most of them actually pay for water, gas and electricity that's being provided to them by Israel?

The Jews will not let the world forget about the work camps during WWII but want the world to overlook the refugee camps they created in Gaza.

The JOOZ the Joooz the jooooz the jooooos....just shut the fuck up, already, please.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Snouter, stop acting like such a fuckin' goy, the British and the Arabs deserved every bit of the ass kicking they got after what they have been doing to the Jewish people, stop denying the truth.

^Paranoid Schitzophrenic Alert!

Because I'm a professional guitar player

We are sure you try to do a professional job, we all do. But playing free gigs does not pay the bills there does it!

[GanjaFreebird]

Did both of you guys have a Happy Hanukkah?

Obviously not.

You notice antiquity said "The Jews" not "The Israelis".

Yes, but at least he's honest about it, unlike many others.

I think the US needs more people like him ,and less people like you.

Just sayin'.

Apparently this is unknown to Teller, but men and women were having sex like crazy throughout history.

Not with you, that's for damn sure.

The revolution part came with the pill as women were then liberated from the pregnancy part of casual sex!

Why do you care anyways, it's not you've had any reason to worry about it during the last 20 years or so.

But typically Teller refers to gay sex as a symbol for high society, so maybe gay sex was what he is referring to.

You would do well in Arab countries, as you don't get laid either way, so you wouldn't be killed for any kind of "immoral" sex, gay or otherwise, however, your ethnicity may be a big problem there.

[GanjaFreebird]

^Paranoid Schitzophrenic Alert!

Hebrew ppppplease, you know it's true, so stop pretending you really believe in this nazi propaganda. You know damn well that Israel is doing the right thing, so stop bullshitting.

We are sure you try to do a professional job, we all do. But playing free gigs does not pay the bills there does it!

I guess not, which is why I haven't played them in years...I may play free gigs more often than you get laid, but hey, it's still happens only once every few years.

[GanjaFreebird]

Israel is a secular state,the overwhelming majority of Israelis don't care for the Hassads ,ask GF or CR.

Absolutely, which is why the Israelis put those religious freaks back in their place where they belong. Both leftists and rightists in Israel refuse to tolerate that type of shit.

Now ,if Palestinians are as unenlightened as you claim in that very sentence,how will just giving them their own state -with no strings attached- make them become more enlightend people overnight?

It won't and he knows it. He's just an anti-semitic asshole who has a problem with Israel staying a Jewish state, and he supports anything and everything that could possibly hurt Israel.

[GanjaFreebird]

Even by the standards of a serial apologist for bigotry, this has got to be one of the dumbest things you've posted in, say, the last 20 minutes.

I'm afraid I wasn't aware that Black South-Africans were radical Muslims and had an inferior culture. I was pretty sure that most of them were Christians and had very similar moral/cultural values as White South-Africans, but if I'm wrong, please provide me some evidence.

Well, South Africans of the apartheid era -- in other words, people like you who believe in ethnic nationalism, i.e, the right of one ethnic group to rule over another -- often justified their bigotry by convincing themselves that Black South Africans are "barbaric savages who treat their women and minorities like shit" -- just like you! Imagine that!

No they didn't. That NEVER happened, as Black people in SA are mostly civilized Christians who treat their women well (and sure as fuck better than Palestinians), and currently, racial/religious minorities and gays have equal rights and freedoms in SA, unlike in the Arab world, so there is no reason to even attempt to accuse Black Africans of this shit. They were hated for being Black. The Palestinians aren't hated for their race, which is the same as the race of most Jewish people, they are hated for the attitudes/behavior that's very common in their communities.

Probably the most popular self-justification for maltreating others is to convince oneself that they deserve maltreatment. It's been used by colonialists and racists of every variety and you're not particularly original here.

That's because I'm neither a colonialist nor a racist. I hate people from ALL races who behave like that, regardless if they happen to be Palestinians or Germans in the 1930s...I judge by the content of people's character, just like another big supporter of Israel, Dr. King.

While it's true that in today's SA, women, gays and minorities have (in theory) equal rights -- that's only because apartheid ended in SA. Eventually it will end in "Greater Israel" as well.

The Palestinians have full control of Gaza now. How come they STILL treate their women, gays and minorities like dog shit? How come they still murder and hang their own people every day? And why would anything change if Israel gives them full control of even more land? They only made it much worse in Gaza, so what evidence do we have that they will not destroy the entire Yehuda and Shomron if we gave that land to them?

Apparently they claim to be living in Israel for many years before the Zionists came...how come the entire Palestine/Jordan was such a fuckin' shithole until the Zionists came? How come Israel's neighbour countries are STILL fuckin' shitholes, if they are all that great?

As for stealing from the Jews, let Moshe Dayan respond:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either.

Those Arab villages were built in the place of the Jewish villages that they have been destroying since the early 1800s. My great-great...grandther was actually the main rabbi in Hebron around that time, as I have recently found out, so let's just say I'm not quite sure about giving away Hebron to the Arabs either.

Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

That Arab population wasn't indigenous to begin with. The few REAL indigenous non-Jews in Israel/Palestine are actually Druse and Beduins (some of them, at least), not the Palestinians who mostly came from Egypt, Jordan and Syria, and mostly after the first Zioinists anyways.

You must remember that before 1870, the TOTAL amount of people in "Greater Israel" was less than 400,000, including indigenous Jews and Christians, so you could only remove only SO MANY indigenous Palestinians anyways since there are like 6 millions of them in "Greater Israel" today anyways...the math isn't on your side, that's for damn sure.

[GanjaFreebird]

It's a "Jewish State." That means: Political power is held by Jews, for the sake of Jews, in the name of Jews. If it doesn't mean that, it means nothing at all. If soveriegnty is held by Jews, as a matter of founding principle, then sovereignty is not and cannot be held by non-Jews.

Even if true, who gives a shit, considering that non-Jews have the rest of the world, while the Jews have only little Israel. I mean, dude, you're being such a dick about it and you know it.

In other words, in the Jewish State, Jews exercise political sovereignty (i.e., the right to make final decisions on all ultimate matters, such as life and death) over everyone else.

That's why we're trying to give the Palestinians a state...specifically for Palestinian Arabs...Jew-free, as they demand it to be

We want a Jewish state and an Arab state (or two, if we count Jordan)

That's what I mean by an "ethnocracy." At the end of the day, ethnocracy is incompatible with democracy and the contemporary history of Israel is demonstrating that point incrementally, day by day. Anyone who reads Ha'aretz knows this.

If you don't like living in a Jewish state, don't live there What's the problem anyways? Why can't the Jews have the right to self-determination just like anybody else?

One day perhaps you'll figure out why Israeli leaders keep on insisting that Palestinians "recognize Israel as a Jewish State," and why Palestinians keep on refusing that demand. (Hint: Israeli leaders aren't insisting that Palestinians recognize that Israel has a majority population of Jews, which is a contingent fact subject to change.

That's the fuckin' point...we don't WANT it to change, which is why we refuse to accept the Palestinian refugees into little Israel, and the reason why the Palestinians refuse to compromise on that is because they don't want a Jewish-majority democracy in Israel. One day, you'll understand it...oh wait a minute, you do already, you just pretend you don't.

They ARE insisting that Palestinians recognize the right of Jews to rule over everyone else, and that's why Palestinians reject the demand.) When you figure that out, you'll know what I'm talking about. It works the other way too.

Well, then why shouldn't the Jewish people (and other non-Arabs) who live in the West Bank reject the idea of Palestinians ruling over everyone else in the future Palestinian state? Doesn't it apply both ways, or just to the Jews, as usual?

[Šñøü†ê®]

Wowsa, calm down, STFU and have a beer punk.

I really get annoyed with a stupid Teller thread goes on and on with annoying off topic posts by Ganji and Cowpunk!

[Guido]

That's because I'm neither a colonialist nor a racist. I hate people from ALL races who behave like that, regardless if they happen to be Palestinians or Germans in the 1930s...I judge by the content of people's character, just like another big supporter of Israel, Dr. King

In reality, as anyone reading your posts can plainly see, you are by far the most racist DA member. The only interesting question raised by your excuses (which as noted, aren't even original, but completely conventional within the racist community) is whether your unwillingness to admit the obvious is more due to dishonesty or sheer stupidity. As far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference in any event. You suck.

[GanjaFreebird]

Wowsa, calm down, STFU and have a beer punk.

Thanks but not today, as I have to go to work in a few hours, got a Reggae Festival to play and I don't drink at work. Speaking of work, you should try it sometimes too.

I really get annoyed with a stupid Teller thread goes on and on with annoying off topic posts by Ganji and Cowpunk!

I promise we will let you know when we give a shit.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Ganji, why don't you leave Team Teller and come to the righteous side of truth, Team Snouter. Then and only then will you begin to learn. Anyhoo, played drums on Stir It Up and What I Got last night! That is about as reggae as I care to deal wid!

[antiquity]

Thanks but not today, as I have to go to work in a few hours, got a Reggae Festival to play and I don't drink at work.

We all know you get high on pot before you pre....form.

I promise we will let you know when we give a shit.

We.....You got a turd in your pocket?

[antiquity]

Seems Obama has a teleprompter and TT has Ganja to carry his lines.

[GanjaFreebird]

In reality, as anyone reading your posts can plainly see, you are by far the most racist DA member.

"racist" against what race exactly? It's not the Black race obviously, it's not the White race or the Yellow race either...now which could it be...the Semetic race? You mean, the one that I belong to myself (and so do you and Snouter, to be completely fair wid meh hebrews)...so does it mean I hate Jews, Arabs and most Mid-Eastern/North-African ethnicities?

As a matter of fact, I have nothing against Arabs in general either, and my problem with many of them is their fight against Israel. As soon as they stop that shit, I will start being nice, I promise. But either way, it's all about behavior/attitudes, not race/ethnicity, and you know it.

The only interesting question raised by your excuses (which as noted, aren't even original, but completely conventional within the racist community) is whether your unwillingness to admit the obvious is more due to dishonesty or sheer stupidity. As far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference in any event. You suck.

No, YOU suck, because you are being dishonest about the differences between Jews and Palestinians and the fact that it's impossible for them to co-exist in one democracy. It's like you can't accept that sometimes two people can't and don't want to live together because their lifestyles and views are so different, and when you force them to live together, that's when drama is being created.

In case you didn't know, many of the early Zionists supported a Jewish-Arab state at first and were completely open-minded about co-existing in one state with the Palestinians, but then the Palestinians made it completely clear that they are NOT interested in ANY kind of political power or immigration for the Jews in the middle east, and the Jewish people were sure not going to listen to Helen Thomas and go back to Poland, Russia and Germany, so they told their enemies to go fuck themselves, and they will continue to do so, until their enemies will accept the Jewish state.

[GanjaFreebird]

Ganji, why don't you leave Team Teller and come to the righteous side of truth, Team Snouter. Then and only then will you begin to learn. Anyhoo, played drums on Stir It Up and What I Got last night! That is about as reggae as I care to deal wid!

In order to play Reggae, you need to have a good rhythm guitarist in your band. Not sure who the hell let you get on the drums anyways, they must've been drunk or something.