Ten Years Ago

[Notalibtard]

He still ain't got nothing on Niel Peart

[Powerboss]

He still ain't got nothing on Niel Peart

Agreed.

[GanjaFreebird]

He still ain't got nothing on Niel Peart

Different styles, but Baker is obviously much more diverse (Peart doesn't really play Jazz, Afro-fusion or world music) and probably technically better all around...at least was during his best years. Peart is the best musician in his band by far, but they are all Rock players and do not have the Jazz and Classical background that Cream have, their strongest point is rather playing tight together as a band, even during very complicated rhythms and time signatures, not as individual musical geniuses.

[Notalibtard]

Different styles, but Baker is obviously much more diverse (Peart doesn't really play Jazz, Afro-fusion or world music) and probably technically better all around...at least was during his best years. Peart is the best musician in his band by far, but they are all Rock players and do not have the Jazz and Classical background that Cream have, their strongest point is rather playing tight together as a band, even during very complicated rhythms and time signatures, not as individual musical geniuses.

Need to do your homework on Niel. I just watched a documentary on Rush andNiel has had Jazz training

Early in his career, Peart's performance style was deeply rooted in hard rock. He drew most of his inspiration from drummers such as Keith Moon and John Bonham, players who were at the forefront of the British hard rock scene.[1] As time passed, however, he began to emulate jazz and big band musicians Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich. In 1994, Peart became a friend and pupil of jazz instructor Freddie Gruber.[2] It was during this time that Peart decided to revamp his playing style by incorporating jazz and swing components. Gruber was also responsible for introducing him to the products of Drum Workshop, the company whose products Peart currently endorses.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
3. Keith Moon (The Who)
4. Carl Palmer (ELP)
5. Ginger Baker (Cream)
6. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa)
7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
8. Hal Blaine (Session man)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
11. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
12. Danny Carey (Tool)
13. Ringo Starr (The Beatles)
14. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)
15. Earl Palmer (Session man)
16. Benny Benjamin (Funk Brothers)
17. Jeff Porcaro (Toto)
18. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
19. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne)
20. Bernard Purdie (Session)

[GanjaFreebird]

Need to do your homework on Niel. I just watched a documentary on Rush andNiel has had Jazz training

Having a Jazz training and actually being a REAL virtuoso Jazz/Fusion drummer (like Ginger Baker) are two different things.

Neil Peart is a GREAT (one of the top best) Rock drummers, and he certainly is better at his own game than anybody, but he ain't better than Ginger Baker all-around, nor could he even begin to play Jazz/World music like him, they are completely different types of drummers.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
3. Keith Moon (The Who)
4. Carl Palmer (ELP)
5. Ginger Baker (Cream)
6. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa)
7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
8. Hal Blaine (Session man)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
11. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
12. Danny Carey (Tool)
13. Ringo Starr (The Beatles)
14. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)
15. Earl Palmer (Session man)
16. Benny Benjamin (Funk Brothers)
17. Jeff Porcaro (Toto)
18. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
19. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne)
20. Bernard Purdie (Session)

That's a good list.

14. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)

EXCELLENT drummer, absolutely unbelievable. I've played with him a few times at Blues jams, including once with the great guitarist/singer Mike Pinera (he is known for the song "Ride Captain Ride")...he's definitely one of the top best musicians I've ever seen, that's for sure.

[Truth Teller]

Agreed.

Even then ,that band really was nothing without Roger Waters' songwriting,let alone Syd Barret in the early days.

[Truth Teller]

By your own admission, I'm a far, far better musician than you:

I haven't heard you play so I can't judge for myself.

In any case,even if you played "better",how does that discredit him?

After all, I don't feel a need to brag about my musical knowledge and contacts every fucking post. Maybe you could help me work on that?

Sounds like a personal vendetta to me.

[GanjaFreebird]

Even then ,that band really was nothing without Roger Waters' songwriting,let alone Syd Barret in the early days.

While I agree 100% about Barret, I can't agree on Waters because I believe that Gilmour's and Wright's contributions to the band were at least as important (and very underrated, unfortunately), and while Waters was a great songwriter, he was the weakest link as an instrumentalist (still a very good bassist, though) and he often sings a bit out of key...I like the sound of his voice, but he has problems with pitch, and even he admited that the rest of the band called him "tone-deaf" and didn't want him to sing on a lot of stuff.

After Waters left Pink Floyd, the band still had great moments/albums, but on the other hand, I'm not too impressed with Waters' solo work, for the most part.

[GanjaFreebird]

I haven't heard you play so I can't judge for myself.

In any case,even if you played "better",how does that discredit him?

I asked him to provide some evidence to that, and with youtube, that shouldn't be a problem these days, but for all we know, he doesn't even play an instrument, as he never even said which instrument he actually knows how to play.

Sounds like a personal vendetta to me

He's being an asshole, indeed, which is no problem, the problem is that he's just talking shit without actually giving the relevant answers about his background and/or providing links to his music, assuming he even creates music.

[jwreck]

I asked him to provide some evidence to that, and with youtube, that shouldn't be a problem these days, but for all we know, he doesn't even play an instrument, as he never even said which instrument he actually knows how to play.



He's being an asshole, indeed, which is no problem, the problem is that he's just talking shit without actually giving the relevant answers about his background and/or providing links to his music, assuming he even creates music.

Yes, clearly he should just drop some hollywood names and causally mention three or four thousand times that he's jewish. That would make him believable.

[GanjaFreebird]

Who cares about his ethnicity/religion or Hollywood celebrities that he met...I want evidence of talent/experience/education in music. At least Snouter has youtube videos of himself playing and singing at his parents' garage, as well as the evidence that he plays at open mics and pizza restaurants. Zordar didn't provide us with even this much, therefore, I'll believe him when I see/hear it. Hell, we don't even know if he plays any instrument AT ALL.

[86Dùde]

When I first saw this thread I thought you were celebrating your 10th birthday.

[Truth Teller]

Yes, clearly he should just drop some hollywood names and causally mention three or four thousand times that he's jewish. That would make him believable.

What makes your resume any better?

[Powerboss]

Different styles, but Baker is obviously much more diverse (Peart doesn't really play Jazz, Afro-fusion or world music) and probably technically better all around...at least was during his best years. Peart is the best musician in his band by far, but they are all Rock players and do not have the Jazz and Classical background that Cream have, their strongest point is rather playing tight together as a band, even during very complicated rhythms and time signatures, not as individual musical geniuses.

Give it up.

Peart has studied Jazz, took lessons from the now departed Freddie Gruber, and spent a long time in Africa touring on a bicycle stopping in villages where he studied and learned true African percussion. His "diversity" and continuing to expand his breadth of drumming is well documented.

[optimus]

No doubt, Neil Peart is SICK as hell. One of the best ever. But the real difference between him and Ringo is that Ringo played in a band that made music that WOMEN would actually listen to.

[GanjaFreebird]

No doubt, Neil Peart is SICK as hell. One of the best ever. But the real difference between him and Ringo is that Ringo played in a band that made music that WOMEN would actually listen to.

Well, he played in a band that made music that EVERYBODY would actually listen to, as The Beatles wrote and played music that many could relate to, while when it comes to Rush, it's a matter of having a taste for them, as many people don't really like that kind of a sound or especially Geddy's vocals. The songwriting wasn't nearly on the Beatles level, although I admit I really like a few of their songs, and they are nice people and very talented musicians.

[GanjaFreebird]

Give it up.

Peart has studied Jazz, took lessons from the now departed Freddie Gruber,

I've also studied Jazz and took lessons from a few Jazz masters back when I was in college, in fact, Jazz guitar was my main concentration as far as my Music degree is concerned, and since then, I've played quite a few Jazz gigs and still do on occasion...but yet, I would NEVER call myself a Jazz virtuoso who's on the level of the REAL masters, no. I've also studied African/World music and have the experience of playing guitar and keyboards for African bands, and yet I don't consider myself a master of African music, not even close. I'm a Rock and Blues player who can also play Jazz and other styles. Peart is a GREAT progressive Rock drummer who can play other styles, including Jazz, but he isn't on Ginger Baker's level when it comes to most styles, other than progressive rock. He doesn't have his abilities, nor his experience, not to mention that Ginger was around 10 years before him and is a big influence on him.

and spent a long time in Africa touring on a bicycle stopping in villages where he studied and learned true African percussion. His "diversity" and continuing to expand his breadth of drumming is well documented.

Good points, but Ginger Baker has lived mostly in Africa since the early 1970s, and has been studying African music all of this time and still does. He has the experience that NO other Rock drummer has, as far as African/World music is concerned, and he's got the most respect from African music masters, including people who didn't have positive a attitude towards Whites in general...he is definitely a difficult person and many people have a hard time dealing with him on a personal level, but his outstanding and exceptional musicianship isn't a matter of a question, he's the REAL deal.

[optimus]

Well, he played in a band that made music that EVERYBODY would actually listen to, as The Beatles wrote and played music that many could relate to, while when it comes to Rush, it's a matter of having a taste for them, as many people don't really like that kind of a sound or especially Geddy's vocals. The songwriting wasn't nearly on the Beatles level, although I admit I really like a few of their songs, and they are nice people and very talented musicians.

Yes, that's what I mean. The Beatles made music for everyone, Rush makes music for nerdy white republican men.

[GanjaFreebird]

Yes, that's what I mean. The Beatles made music for everyone, Rush makes music for nerdy white republican men.

LOL, there is some truth to that, I still like a few songs though, and have great respect for their musicianship.

[Truth Teller]

Yes, that's what I mean. The Beatles made music for everyone, Rush makes music for nerdy white republican men.

That seems to be the case in my experience.


I've yet to meet one Rush fan (and I'm talking the band,not Limbaugh) that isn't right-wing.