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    Quote Originally Posted by caddis View Post
    Are you a songwriter?
    I know many ,in virtually all genres ,and they'll all tell you that Dylan raised the bar for songwriters way more than anyone else.


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    Oh c'mon, that's movie songs
    And that's all he recorded from 1963 to 1966 or '67.

    Not all of his movies sucked,nor did all of his soundtrack albums,but most did and the reason was the songwriters on those albums were hacks who got in the flims because they gave Tom Parker kickbacks.

    Glen Campbell told you that that Elvis was the nicest man he ever met,I have no doubt that is true.

    Maybe Elvis' biggest problem was that he was too nice a guy,that's why he let Tom Parker walk all over him.

    And some great records came out by him during this period,but they were recorded years earlier such as :




    It was a hit in '64,recorded in '58.

    Or this huge worldwide hit:



    Recorded in '60,it was a hit in '65.


    That's the great thing about Elvis, he could take ANY song they gave him and he can make it fit perfectly in the given project and make it sound better than ANYBODY else ever could, to the point that even a fuckin' awful song can sound good.
    Yeah ,but I expect much more from the King of Rock and Roll.



    I mean, just imagine somebody else (even a good singer) like Paul Anka or Bobby Vinton singing that...it would sound absolutely horrible probably, while Elvis could actually make it sound fine.
    Yet,Vinton and maybe Anka ,sometimes had better records duing this period because they had better material.




    I actually find his 1960s recordings (other than some dumb movie songs) to be absolutely fantastic for the most part, and most of the music is fuckin' great.
    Yeah ,but during the Brtish Invasion he recorded nothing but worse and worse songs for worse and worse movies.

    I was a child back then and I went to all of those movies because Elvis was my first idol(I'm speaking before The Beatles came to America) and I accepted anything he did.

    I'm not a child anymore and I don't accept everything he did.

    In the 1970s, it was still mostly great stuff, some mediocre songs, but even then, his voice kept getting better and better and that somewhat made up for it. Some of his live albums with James Burton on lead guitar is probably the best he's EVER sounded, especially in the late 1960s and early 1970s. His last studio album was my least favorite (it was still decent and has its moments), but his last live recordings were still excellent, and so were the studio albums in the early-mid 1970s for the most part.
    Ok.





    For example, Elvis' lower range was MUCH stronger than Orbison's, his tone was much better in my opinion, he had a stronger voice (just listen to "Surrender" or "It's Now or Never") and Orbison certainly had his pitchy moments more often than Elvis.
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    I know many ,in virtually all genres ,and they'll all tell you that Dylan raised the bar for songwriters way more than anyone else.
    EXACTLY!!

    And that's all he recorded from 1963 to 1966 or '67.
    What about his early 1960s and 1967-1970 recordings/live shows?

    Not all of his movies sucked,nor did all of his soundtrack albums,but most did and the reason was the songwriters on those albums were hacks who got in the flims because they gave Tom Parker kickbacks.
    I disagree, I still like it all, maybe just because it's Elvis, but oh well. I take it for what it is, obviously it's not on the level of his 1950s work, but it's still good stuff and I still enjoy those movies, even the silly ones, for what it's worth.

    Glen Campbell told you that that Elvis was the nicest man he ever met,I have no doubt that is true.

    Maybe Elvis' biggest problem was that he was too nice a guy,that's why he let Tom Parker walk all over him.

    And some great records came out by him during this period,but they were recorded years earlier such as :
    True.

    Yeah ,but I expect much more from the King of Rock and Roll.
    Elvis is the King of Music, the greatest singer ever, to me, but the REAL King of Rock and Roll is Chuck Berry!!

    Yet,Vinton and maybe Anka ,sometimes had better records duing this period because they had better material.
    I have great respect for Vinton and especially Anka as singers/performers, but I have to disagree with you on that one...Elvis' worst was still better than most of their best, in my opinion.

    Yeah ,but during the Brtish Invasion he recorded nothing but worse and worse songs for worse and worse movies.

    I was a child back then and I went to all of those movies because Elvis was my first idol(I'm speaking before The Beatles came to America) and I accepted anything he did.

    I'm not a child anymore and I don't accept everything he did.
    I accept it for what it is, it was a part of his life and he did the best with what he had to work with at the time. It definitely was his weakest point, but so what. I mean, Dylan, The Stones and McCartney also had mediocre moments in the late 1970s, and (other than a few songs on each album), I'm not crazy about most of The Who's new material since Moon died (although as a live band, they still got it)...but I'd rather judge it from a historical context and the bigger picture, rather than expect everybody to live up to their perfect image...they are all humans after all.

    Excellent point.
    Thank you. By the way, I was watching Roy Orbison's show from the early 1970s, and I have to say that (maybe besides Elvis) he might be the best vocalist in history of Rock/Pop...unbelievable voice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post


    Taylor Swift- Kanye may have been an asshole, but he was RIGHT, and everybody knows it!!
    I don't know "it" ,neither does Ringo Starr:

    Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...-starr-9916454

    I mean Taylor Swift isn't the second coming,but she's not bad musically ,especially for her age and her live acts shows she is a show woman.

    I'd argue she's better than most her age,that in and of itself may not be much to brag about,but still......





    Christina Aguilera- A GREAT vocalist and one of the most talented younger performers today, absolutely, but she just tries TOO fuckin' hard and shows off her vocal abilities at the expense of the song very often. Maybe she tries to make up for not being as attractive as other teen idos, but she just need to chill out and let the magic naturally happen...don't push it, just give the song what it needs to make it sound the best, keep it real.
    Good point.

    But she can really sing.



    Jack White- Thank GOD for his existence, he is the reason why Rock'n'Roll (and good music in general) still has a future today, and without a doubt, he's the REAL deal, one of the best ever, especially of this generation.
    Pretty much agree.



    Amy Winehouse- Best singer of my generation...say what you want about her tragic life and death, but nobody else of the new generation had such a talent.
    100% agreement.

    I'd say the best living younger artist is Bruno Mars.

    Doowops and Hooligans is one of my favortie albums ever.





    Eric Clapton- Best guitarist today, if not ever. Never hits a wrong note, plays every style of music, has the best tone and always choses the best note choices, and can play as fast as it gets without actually compromising any of the above elements and soul. Every great guitarist I know would agree he's among the top best, while most mediocre guitarists don't, but who gives a shit about them, they are just jealous anyways. Plus, he's one of the best singer-songwriters as well, for what it's worth.

    Albert Lee, James Burton, B.B. King and Jeff Beck- Some of the very few guitarists today that are on Clapton's all-around level, if not better in some ways.

    Jimi Hendrix- The only guitarist ever that could actually show Clapton what's up, as he was the best guitarist during his lifetime and still is, in many ways. Too bad he didn't live longer and experiment with other styles.
    What about Jeff Beck?

    Scotty Moore has said that Jeff Beck can do things with only a Whammy Bar than most guitarists can't dream of ,and I agree with Scotty Moore on that.



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    What about his early 1960s and 1967-1970 recordings/live shows?
    Elvis' comeback was great,but I'm talking his whole career.
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    I don't know "it" ,neither does Ringo Starr:

    Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...-starr-9916454
    I didn't say she totally sucks and she's talented when it comes to writting songs that stupid teenage girls in middle America can relate to, obviously, but I still don't see why Ringo likes her (I agree with him everything else in that interview though), although I do agree with him that she is doing what she does to the full extent of her abilities, it's just that her abilities are very limited, to me.

    I mean Taylor Swift isn't the second coming,but she's not bad musically ,especially for her age and her live acts shows she is a show woman.
    I haven't seen anything that impressed me when it comes to her showmanship...she does have an excellent band that backs her up (she obviously has the money to afford them), she has a few ok songs (especially for her age, as you said), but she knows about 5 chords on guitar and her vocals are even less impressive, because she hits wrong notes often and she's just not a vocalist, I'm sorry...when she sings anything other than her own songs she sounds absolutely terrible, although her style fits her songs, I guess.

    I'd argue she's better than most her age,that in and of itself may not be much to brag about,but still......
    True, but she's not even better than most her age. There are PLENTY of better singer-songwriters in Nashville alone, as far as Country music is concerned, but she was lucky AND her image is marketable for the kind of following that she has, as she's "clean and innocent" enough to get the approval, but there are PLENTY of more talented people, even her age and younger, they just haven't made it big.

    Good point.

    But she can really sing.
    Absolutely, she's a GREAT vocalist.

    100% agreement.

    I'd say the best living younger artist is Bruno Mars.

    Doowops and Hooligans is one of my favortie albums ever.
    Bruno is one of the best around right now, for sure, so is Cee Lo Green.

    What about Jeff Beck?

    Scotty Moore has said that Jeff Beck can do things with only a Whammy Bar than most guitarists can't dream of ,and I agree with Scotty Moore on that.
    I DID mention Jeff Beck as one of the few people today who are as great (or at least almost as great) as Clapton...I mentioned him, Albert Lee, James Burton and B.B. King. Scotty Moore belongs to this list as well, although he retired a few years ago.

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    The title says "unpopular music music opinions " and I ask "unpopular with whom?".

    What I'm about to say is not unpopular with most people I personally know ,but I'm sure will be unpopular with several people here.

    Rush-I'm not going to say they suck ,I'm going to say they are an acquired taste that I haven't acquired.

    I don't relate to their music lyrically or even musically (roots music is closer to my main preference).

    Almost every Rush fan I've met is right-wing.

    Now,I don't know of Rush to have ever done political music,still it seems right-wingers(for whatever reason) relate to their music,I don't relate to their music,does my not being right-wing have something to do with it?

    I don't know.

    Prog-Let's take Jethro Tull.

    Tull has two sides to them ,their jazz/bues side and their prog side.

    I love Tull's jazz/blues work:


    I don't care for their prog work,which is their most popular music.

    I just find most prog to be pretentious lyrically and boring muscially.

    I liked prog when I was a teenager,because of prog I stated listening to real classcial music and I found most prog just can't compete with it.

    I listen to music I can relate to ,I can't relate to much prog (Pink Floyd being a major exception,but the excellent songwriting of Roger Waters makes a major difference in that band).

    Again,I've found most (not all ) prog fans I've met to be right-wing,why I don't know.

    Except , maybe prog and right-wing politics don't have much to do with reality.

    Go ahead and flog me right-wingers,I'm used to it.
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    Rush-I'm not going to say they suck ,I'm going to say they are an acquired taste that I haven't acquired.

    I don't relate to their music lyrically or even musically (roots music is closer to my main preference).

    Almost every Rush fan I've met is right-wing.

    Now,I don't know of Rush to have ever done political music,still it seems right-wingers(for whatever reason) relate to their music,I don't relate to their music,does my not being right-wing have soemthing to do with it?

    I don't know.
    Neil Peart is a libertarian, and he writes their lyrics, which occasionally get political, but not so much. The other guys are mostly liberal, to my best knowledge. Either way, they are good guys, especially Alex Lifeson, and it isn't their fault that many of their fans are idiots and right-wingers.

    Having said that, I'm not too crazy about their sound, but I think they are great musicians, a very good band (as performers), I like some songs and I'm impressed with a lot of the musical arrangments.

    Prog-Let's take Jethro Tull.

    Tull has two sides to them ,their jazz/bues side and their prog side.

    I love Tull's jazz/blues work:
    So do I.

    I don't care for their prog work,which is their most popular music.
    Any of it? So you don't like any of their 1970s stuff?

    I personally like their famous/popular stuff very much, but I like the Blues/Jazz (especially from the early days) even better.

    I just find most prog to be pretentious lyrically and boring muscially.
    Same here.

    I liked prog when I was a teenager,because of prog I stated listening to real classcial music and I found most prog just can't compete with it.

    I listen to music I can relate to ,I can't relate to much prog (Pink Floyd being a major exception,but the excellent songwriting of Roger Waters makes a major difference in that band).
    I love Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, ELP, ELO (if they count as "prog") and early Genesis (late 1960s stuff was GREAT, but after that, it became too pretensious, until Peter Gabriel left, then they had great moments again as a Pop/Rock band, but having said that, I love a lot of Gabriel's solo work).

    I like a lot of recordings by Yes, I think the musicianship is outstanding, excellent musical arrangements and writting abilities, and they are an excellent band, but I just always hated the vocals, and it ruined a lot for me. The same is true with Styx and DeYoung's vocals, although I have problems with Styx's over-produced sound too.

    Again,I've found most (not all ) prog fans I've met to be right-wing,why I don't know.

    Except , maybe prog and right-wing politics don't have much to do with reality.

    Go ahead and flog me right-wingers,I'm used to it.
    Many (if not most) progressive rock legends are liberals and leftists. Pink Floyd are leftits (if not extreme leftists), Ian Anderson is liberal, so is Peter Gabriel and the members of ELP and Styx, among others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post
    I didn't say she totally sucks and she's talented when it comes to writting songs that stupid teenage girls in middle America can relate to, obviously, but I still don't see why Ringo likes her (I agree with him everything else in that interview though), although I do agree with him that she is doing what she does to the full extent of her abilities, it's just that her abilities are very limited, to me.
    You must remember she is still very young (younger than you) and I think she has the potential to go farther (I guess Ringo thinks the same thing).

    John Lennon's first song wasn't a winner:



    Paul Mc Cartney's first song was even worse:





    I haven't seen anything that impressed me when it comes to her showmanship...she does have an excellent band that backs her up (she obviously has the money to afford them)
    I was impressed by what I saw of her on 60 Minutes:





    she knows about 5 chords on guitar
    Two chords more than Charley Patton or Woody Guthrie knew.




    because she hits wrong notes often
    It's only rock and roll.



    although her style fits her songs, I guess.
    Well,that's being smart.

    Chubby Checker did the same thing and he seldom did original songs.


    True, but she's not even better than most her age. There are PLENTY of better singer-songwriters in Nashville alone
    Because of the region I live in,I've known lots of really great singer-songwriters who went to Nashville and didn't make it,and they've all told me virtually the same story.

    I don't see how that discredits Taylor Swift though.


    but she was lucky
    Yes,luck is a major part of it,it's a very difficult business to break into no matter how good one is(and today it's even harder than ever),but one has to have talent as well as luck,and one has to be smart enough to know how to use their lucky break when they get it.

    Swift has done that,at a young age no less.





    Cee Lo Green.
    "Fuck You" is a very funny song.



    I DID mention Jeff Beck as one of the few people today who are as great (or at least almost as great) as Clapton...I mentioned him, Albert Lee, James Burton and B.B. King. Scotty Moore belongs to this list as well, although he retired a few years ago.
    Sorry, I've had a long day and it didn't stick in my brain.

    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post
    Neil Peart is a libertarian, and he writes their lyrics, which occasionally get political, but not so much. The other guys are mostly liberal, to my best knowledge. Either way, they are good guys, especially Alex Lifeson, and it isn't their fault that many of their fans are idiots and right-wingers.

    Having said that, I'm not too crazy about their sound, but I think they are great musicians, a very good band (as performers), I like some songs and I'm impressed with a lot of the musical arrangments.
    I'm not saying all Rush fans are right-wing ,I'm sure they're not,but every single one I've met is.

    Any of it? So you don't like any of their 1970s stuff?
    I'm not saying there isn't any good stuff from that era(s),I'm saying I listen to their jazz/blues stuff.





    Many (if not most) progressive rock legends are liberals and leftists. Pink Floyd are leftits (if not extreme leftists), Ian Anderson is liberal, so is Peter Gabriel and the members of ELP and Styx, among others.
    I'm not talking about the artists,I'm talking about most of their fans that I've met.
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    Two chords more than Charley Patton or Woody Guthrie knew.
    Yeah right, they were EXCELLENT rhythm guitarists, especially Patton who could sound like two guitarists sometimes with his rhythm-lead style. He was a great blues guitarist, not on the level of Robert Johnson or Blind Lemon Jefferson, but he played some amazing stuff nevertheless, and most importantly was a GREAT singer, something that Taylor Swift isn't.

    Guthrie, while no virtuoso, had his unique style that's much harder to play that it seems, and it was a major influence on Bob Dylan's acoustic playing and the playing of most folk musicians.

    Besides, Guthrie didn't become a legend because of guitar skills, but because of the singer-songwriter that he was...it would be one thing if she could barely play but could really sing and write songs like that, but she doesn't do that either, not even close.

    It's only rock and roll.
    No it isn't, it's country, and while you can get away with being out of tune if you sing Punk rock or some other forms of hard rock, it doesn't work the same with country or even country-influenced Rock.

    There's a big difference between using some pitchy notes as a style, at the right moments (David Bowie is a great example of that, so is Yoko Ono) and hitting completely wrong notes. Even people who got criticism as singers all the time (Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Hendrix...) it was because the tone of their voice was weird and/or they didn't have great vocal techniques, but not because they sang out of tune.

    Well,that's being smart.

    Chubby Checker did the same thing and he seldom did original songs
    Chubby Checker was and still is an AMAZING vocalist and entertainer, I've seen him live. He is 70 and he still dances and not only doesn't he get out of tune, but he sounds better than ever when he performs his old classics, AND he can do perfect impresonations of others, including Elvis and Fats Domino. He's a REAL musical talent, and to be fair, African-Americans who made it big before 1964 HAD to be that good or else they had no chance in the business.

    Having said that, "Chequered!" (his psychodelic soul album) was more impressive to me than most of the hits that he's famous for.

    Because of the region I live in,I've known lots of really great singer-songwriters who went to Nashville and didn't make it,and they've all told me virtually the same story.

    I don't see how that discredits Taylor Swift though.
    She was lucky, unlike most singer-songwriters, including many who are way more talented than her. She's ok, but she's VERY overrated.

    Yes,luck is a major part of it,it's a very difficult business to break into no matter how good one is(and today it's even harder than ever),but one has to have talent as well as luck,and one has to be smart enough to know how to use their lucky break when they get it.

    Swift has done that,at a young age no less.
    So did The Osmonds and Patridge Family. She (or her parents) were obviously smart enough to make it, and I don't disagree with that, and it's not that she doesn't have any talent, it's just that it's not anything real special and I don't understand why so many people are crazy about her. I felt the same about the Spice Girls in the 1990s, although they had a sex image that obviously helped to market them.

    "Fuck You" is a very funny song.
    Indeed, and he's a great vocalist too.

    I'm not saying all Rush fans are right-wing ,I'm sure they're not,but every single one I've met is.


    I'm not saying there isn't any good stuff from that era(s),I'm saying I listen to their jazz/blues stuff.


    I'm not talking about the artists,I'm talking about most of their fans that I've met.
    Fair enough.

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    You must remember she is still very young (younger than you) and I think she has the potential to go farther (I guess Ringo thinks the same thing).
    Good point, everything is possible and yes, she's still young.

    John Lennon's first song wasn't a winner:
    I LOVE that song!! And what a good performance, especially for their age, excellent little guitar solo too!!

    Sure it ain't no "Imagine", "Day in a Life" or "Help", but at least it is performed well and musically well-arranged, not to mention that they never had a huge hit with it, nor did most people even know about it until the 1990s.

    Paul Mc Cartney's first song was even worse:
    True but he was 14, it didn't become known to anybody until the 1990s, and it still sounds better than anything Taylor Swift ever done...maybe it's Paul's excellent performance and not the song, but still, it reminds me of Buddy Holly, so it can't be all that bad.

    I was impressed by what I saw of her on 60 Minutes:
    I watched it and was impressed by the technology of her shows, by the business/marketing success that she got, not so much by her musical talent (the performance with Stevie Nicks was TERRRIBLE)...some of her songs are ok and she seems like a nice and sweet girl with a good sense of humor, but I don't see anything special in her as an artist.

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    • Jimi Hendrix's singing is better than his guitaring.
    • Led Zeppelin is stupid, ugly, and screechy.
    • Stravinsky didn't write anything truly great after his ballets.
    • I like Katy Perry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with her boobs.
    • Beatles = overrated.
    • Prokofiev's 5th Symphony = best symphony of the 20th century.
    • Herbie Hancock is the last jazz musician to write anything worth listening to.
    • Most Mozart is boring.
    • "Yakety Sax" never gets old
    • "Teenager of the Year" is Frank Black's best work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facetio Sarcasmus View Post
    Lemme see... unpopular opinions... Britney Spears is the most inspiring and original artist in our lifetimes.

    Led Zeppelin and The Grateful Dead were uninspired pieces of crap.

    **ducks for cover from inevitable gunfire**
    You're joking, seriously though, right?

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    # Jimi Hendrix's singing is better than his guitaring.
    This is crazy dude, I've never heard ANYBODY say something like that...please explain. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimi's singing and I appreciate it for what it is, but let's face it, he was a guitar genius and a great songwriter, as opposed to the best vocalist ever.

    Led Zeppelin is stupid, ugly, and screechy.
    I seriously doubt that the members of Zeppelin are stupid (they know quite a bit about music), although I don't know them personally so I can't say for sure...ugly? sure, but who cares...screechy? What do you mean by that anyways?

    Stravinsky didn't write anything truly great after his ballets.
    Never really cared for him anyways, I'm more of a Motzart, Beethoven and Bach fan when it comes to Classical music.

    I like Katy Perry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with her boobs.
    What does it have to with then, her nice ass? Jokes aside, she's a good singer/performer, nothing REALLY special, but some of her music is decent.

    Beatles = overrated.
    Overrated or not, they are the most important and influential Pop/Rock band in history, without a doubt.

    Herbie Hancock is the last jazz musician to write anything worth listening to.
    I hate to say it, but there's a lot of truth to that one, unfortunately.

    Most Mozart is boring.
    I don't listen to Classical music too much anymore, but I have to disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post
    This is crazy dude, I've never heard ANYBODY say something like that...please explain. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimi's singing and I appreciate it for what it is, but let's face it, he was a guitar genius and a great songwriter, as opposed to the best vocalist ever.
    I'd go so far as to call him a creative and stylistic genius, and one of the most influential guitarists ever.

    Still don't care for his playing, though, and much prefer his voice.

    I seriously doubt that the members of Zeppelin are stupid (they know quite a bit about music), although I don't know them personally so I can't say for sure...ugly? sure, but who cares...screechy? What do you mean by that anyways?
    Anybody who sings about going to Mordor and meeting Gollum is a fucking retard. Sorry. To his credit, Robert Plant has admitted embarrassment toward many of the lyrics of his younger days. "Ugly" refers to the production quality. Ick. And "Screechy," well... Robert Plant also used to sing like a feral tomcat being neutered without anesthesia. But again, he has redeemed himself with his later work.

    What does it have to with then, her nice ass? Jokes aside, she's a good singer/performer, nothing REALLY special, but some of her music is decent.
    I haven't put my finger on it yet. There is a certain craftsmanship, a certain skill in the production, and a sense of fun -- yet not taking it too seriously -- but I can't nail it down any more than that.

    Overrated or not, they are the most important and influential Pop/Rock band in history, without a doubt.
    One of the most important and influential, yes.

    I hate to say it, but there's a lot of truth to that one, unfortunately.
    A big part of it is, I think, the codification of jazz and the way "proper" styles are now formally taught. A lot of the earlier guys were better listeners than sight-readers; some great players like Wes Montgomery could barely read music. But so many young players are just lost without a chart and scared shitless to play off the cuff, because they don't want to "mess up" -- isn't this the antithesis of good jazz?


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    I'd go so far as to call him a creative and stylistic genius, and one of the most influential guitarists ever.
    I agree.

    Still don't care for his playing, though, and much prefer his voice.
    What problems do you have with his playing?

    Anybody who sings about going to Mordor and meeting Gollum is a fucking retard. Sorry. To his credit, Robert Plant has admitted embarrassment toward many of the lyrics of his younger days.
    I don't think most of their lyrics were bad.

    "Ugly" refers to the production quality.
    Strongly disagree. Page is an excellent producer who managed to create great recordings and hits, even when the playing was a bit sloppy. Some of the production was genius, in fact.

    Robert Plant also used to sing like a feral tomcat being neutered without anesthesia. But again, he has redeemed himself with his later work.
    I like his voice the best during 1968-1975...he has lost the power/range since then, although he still got his moments as a singer even these days, and his last couple of albums were pretty good.

    One of the most important and influential, yes.
    No other band is on the same level of importance or influence...well, The Rolling Stones come close, but that's about it.

    A big part of it is, I think, the codification of jazz and the way "proper" styles are now formally taught. A lot of the earlier guys were better listeners than sight-readers; some great players like Wes Montgomery could barely read music.
    Very true.

    But so many young players are just lost without a chart and scared shitless to play off the cuff, because they don't want to "mess up" -- isn't this the antithesis of good jazz?
    Excellent points.

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    There are many covers that are better than the original song. Johnny Cash's cover of Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" is not one of these.

    My appreciation of Rush would be greater if they had gotten rid of Geddy Lee at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zordar View Post
    Jimi Hendrix's singing is better than his guitaring.
    I think Jimi Hendrix is still very underrated as a songwriter

    [*]I like Katy Perry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with her boobs.
    She's ok,but I'd prefer to listen to Taylor Swift ,and I don't own a record by either one of them.


    [*]Herbie Hancock is the last jazz musician to write anything worth listening to.
    What about Wynton Marsalis?

    He has composed works in almost every jazz genere,even fusion.


    Wynton has even put in elements of rap(which he wasn't a fan of) is his jazz and has done full albums with Willie Nelson and Eric Clapton.

    I can't think of anyone in any style ,and esepcially in post-Miles jazz who has gone as far as both a composer and performer as Wynton Marsails has.

    And he performs classical as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberto_Balsalm View Post
    There are many covers that are better than the original song. Johnny Cash's cover of Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" is not one of these.
    I couldn't disagree more.
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    I think Jimi Hendrix is still very underrated as a songwriter
    Agreed. That's the biggest tragedy of his death, in my opinion. Assuming he didn't just lose his mind on drugs, he would have written some absolutely brilliant music. His ability to synthesize so many different musical phrases and styles into a cohesive whole, while retaining an authentic personal sound... just amazing. Can't think of anybody else before or since who's been able to do that.

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    [*]I like Katy Perry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with her boobs.
    She's ok,but I'd prefer to listen to Taylor Swift ,and I don't own a record by either one of them.
    I have to disagree. Neither are anything special in my opinion, in fact absolutely worthless compared to Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Grace Slick, Bobbie Gentry, Wanda Jackson, Loretta Lynn, Koko Taylor, Irma Thomas, anybody from Motown or even Amy Winehouse, I must say.

    However, Katy Perry is a singer who will not sing out of tune and has some kind of a voice to speak of. Swift is not a singer. Neither are the best songwriters, although both have catchy songs that are ok, personally I prefer Perry's because she's got that "bad sexy girl" vibe, while I can't relate to the "nerdy innocent girl" thing that Taylor goes for, that just ain't Rock'n'Roll to me.

    What about Wynton Marsalis?

    He has composed works in almost every jazz genere,even fusion.


    Wynton has even put in elements of rap(which he wasn't a fan of) is his jazz and has done full albums with Willie Nelson and Eric Clapton.

    I can't think of anyone in any style ,and esepcially in post-Miles jazz who has gone as far as both a composer and performer as Wynton Marsails has.

    And he performs classical as well.
    There are exceptions to the rule, and he is definitely one.

    I couldn't disagree more.
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post


    Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Grace Slick, Bobbie Gentry, Wanda Jackson, Loretta Lynn, Koko Taylor, Irma Thomas, anybody from Motown or even Amy Winehouse
    I own records by all of them,none by Swift or Perry.

    That doesn't mean I don't find either Swift or Perry pleasant to listen to.
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    Hanging out with Eldery Elvis and Black JFK in a nursing home...

    What movie is that?

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