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    Obama admin to ban firearms from open range, public lands etc.

    Many have speculated that Operation Fast and Furious (a Federal program to waive firearms regulations and let straw purchasers bring thousands of guns across the border into Mexico with little or no tracking) was the first leg of a plan to increase firearms violence to the point where people would demand "more gun regulation".

    Concern over the massive gunrunning schems, and the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and Americans such as Border Patrol agent Brian Terry with guns purchased through the Fast and Furious program, is reaching a fever pitch. But there is no overt evidence connecting Fast and Furious to President Obama's new push to restrict people from hunting and target shooting and bringing firearms onto public land, open range etc.

    The government has been treating firearms as horrible things that no one in their right mind should ever touch, much less own; and has been remaining comparatively silent on the roles privately-owned firearms have played in preventing crimes and protecting people. After decades of badmouthing, the Federal government is now announcing that the reason they are starting to ban guns from open range and other public lands, is because people are worried or scared of them.

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    Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands

    November 16, 2011

    Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

    Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.

    "It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.

    If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and bear hunters can use in the West.

    Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.

    "They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters," said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela's and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.

    "What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal," said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, "I don't know how to quanitify 'freaking out,'" and noted that he's seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.
    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
    Many have speculated that Operation Fast and Furious (a Federal program to waive firearms regulations and let straw purchasers bring thousands of guns across the border into Mexico with little or no tracking) was the first leg of a plan to increase firearms violence to the point where people would demand "more gun regulation".

    Concern over the massive gunrunning schems, and the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and Americans such as Border Patrol agent Brian Terry with guns purchased through the Fast and Furious program, is reaching a fever pitch. But there is no overt evidence connecting Fast and Furious to President Obama's new push to restrict people from hunting and target shooting and bringing firearms onto public land, open range etc.

    The government has been treating firearms as horrible things that no one in their right mind should ever touch, much less own; and has been remaining comparatively silent on the roles privately-owned firearms have played in preventing crimes and protecting people. After decades of badmouthing, the Federal government is now announcing that the reason they are starting to ban guns from open range and other public lands, is because people are worried or scared of them.

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    Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands

    November 16, 2011

    Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

    Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.

    "It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.

    If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and bear hunters can use in the West.

    Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.

    "They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters," said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela's and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.

    "What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal," said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, "I don't know how to quanitify 'freaking out,'" and noted that he's seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.
    It's not going to happen. The public, rich and poor, will never allow this to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It's not going to happen. The public, rich and poor, will never allow this to pass.
    Better elect conservative Republicans to make sure it doesn't.
    The ambassador died, Obama lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadit View Post
    Better elect conservative Republicans to make sure it doesn't.
    wouldn't conservatives want to divestingthe interest in this land in order to make a smaller government?

    Ok my views, I can not find anything about this on the department of the Interior's own website so i'm going it just on my own opinion
    1) Dogs hate banging noises. I speak as a person who tries to bring a dog for a walk on saturday's. some saturday's he'll go but if he hears any sort of banging noise, he doesn't like it
    2) From my point of view, why not just make some land for use by gun owners, some land for use by other recreational users. With 245 million acres under the control of the Department of the Interiors, it can't be that hard to keep 80% of the people happy with arrangements?
    3) I can think of 2 private shooting grounds that I pass occassionally on cycles on Sunday. I do also notice many places which have "land preserved by" a specific shooting club. I would take it that this is standard in places in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It's not going to happen. The public, rich and poor, will never allow this to pass.
    California has the votes and will see to it that it does happen.

    Like it or not you will obey.
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    No, I won't.
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    Obama admin to ban firearms from open range, public lands etc.
    It's been shit-canned.

    Public outcry.

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    Who the fuck cares if some gun loving nuts can't play with their toys?

    Seriously, why don't the gun nuts just get penis enlargers and leave the rest of us alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cd. View Post
    Who the fuck cares if some gun loving nuts can't play with their toys?

    Seriously, why don't the gun nuts just get penis enlargers and leave the rest of us alone.
    Gunners need practice so when the kook leftist and muslims start getting uppity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    Gunners need practice so when the kook leftist and muslims start getting uppity.
    No, they just need to overcompensate for having tiny penises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cd. View Post
    No, they just need to overcompensate for having tiny penises.
    You seem obsessed with the apparent size of other mens' sexual equipment. Why is that?
    The ambassador died, Obama lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cd. View Post
    Who the fuck cares if some gun loving nuts can't play with their toys?

    Seriously, why don't the gun nuts just get penis enlargers and leave the rest of us alone.
    They are leaving you alone. They want to go out on open land to play with their toys. The problem is, they're not being left alone to do so. To be honest, if Obama wants a second term, it would be unwise of him to provoke gun owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hadit View Post
    Better elect conservative Republicans to make sure it doesn't.
    Republicanazis are the bitches of big business. They are not worthy of office.... however, in this case, we do not a conservative to prevent the tree-huggers from taking away what the framers of the constitution wanted us to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    Gunners need practice so when the kook leftist and muslims start getting uppity.
    The only kooks are you elitist asshole righties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    Gunners need practice so when the kook leftist and muslims start getting uppity.
    The only kooks are you elitist asshole righties.

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