Reply With QuoteGood. What went on there is absolutely dispicable.
Joe Paterno gets fired
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This is a sad story on many different levels.
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Good. What went on there is absolutely dispicable.
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The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
Dreamy (11-15-2011)
That entire situation is sickening. If have no sympathy for anyone who is fired or serves jail time over this. Just deplorable. I read the affadavit PDF. I'd like to be able to unread it.
Baboon,
I'm right there with you on wishing I could "unread" what I read.
Yes, Joe technically did the "right" thing by reporting it to his superiors, but come on! How can one NOT go to the cops, and still be able to sleep at night.
What Sandusky was caught doing is deplorable and disgusting and I hope they lock him up and turn him over to the general population.
I have no sympathy for Joe Paterno. He did what was easiest, instead of what was right, and this is what happens.
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Originally Posted by Adanch
I don't agree that he should be out of a job. It's the JOB of his bosses to do what needs to be done. It's his job to report it to them. As an employee, they aren't going to tell him what they have done. For all he knew, they called the cops and dude was being investigated. Him losing his job will have the effect of causing teachers and coaches all over the country to start reporting anything and everything to the cops out of fear of being fired.
Fight in school? Report the assault on a minor and disturbing the piece.
See a boyfriend and girlfriend in HS doing things that bfs and gfs do while in HS? Obvious sexual assault of a minor as she's unable to legally consent to him touching her ass.
See a student cheating on a test? Obviously the police should be involved because that's forgery, fraud, and falsifying a government document.
Students acting up on a school bus or someone said "da bomb" in class ? Holy shit, it's a possible terrorism!! Call Janet Napolitano and send the little fuckers off to Gitmo!
Jwreck. Don't be stupid. This is an obvious case of shit rolling downhill. He did nothing wrong.
True, we don't know that Joe thought the cops were called and that was that. However, if it were the abuse of a 10-year old by an adult that "I" witnessed, I would have called the cops before I did anything else.
The person who saw this and didn't call the cops didn't do the best thing, IMHO. He did the "right" thing by reporting it to the higher ups, but I'm not afraid to get involved and "I" would have called the cops myself before I walked out of that locker room if I had seen what this person saw.
But that's just me.
***2009 DA Rookie of the Year***
He didn't witness it. Someone TOLD him they witnessed it. That would be like reporting to the cops that you HEARD there was a fight. He did what he should have done. It was then up to the higher ups to make the decisions they are paid to make.
Truth Teller (11-12-2011)
Sorry, wasn't clear enough. I was talking about the person who actually did witness the incident in the shower with Sandusky and the 10-year old. THAT person should have called the cops right then and there, IMHO.
Joe technically did what he was supposed to do, and I'll never deny that. I, personally, would not have let it go without calling the cops.
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Truth Teller (11-12-2011)
He still has a job and will be coaching this weekend. Good luck with that, pal!
jwreck (11-10-2011), Sparkly Mary (11-10-2011)
They should all be fired IMNSHO.
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
Sparkly Mary (11-10-2011)
Not the same at all. Think he ever thought to himself,"I wonder what happened to the whole deal with fucking little boys in the shower? Oh well, not my concern, that's between him and HR."
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
9ball8 (11-10-2011), Sparkly Mary (11-10-2011)
Let's suppose it was reported to the higher ups, with the thought, "I'm sure they'll take care of it". Then, a couple of weeks later, you see Sandusky on campus, happy as a lark. No arrest, no investigation by police, no change in Sandy's routine as far as anyone can tell. What does that mean? That the cops are just being really thorough before they bust the guy, and they don't want to tip him off? Maybe he's out on bail, and the cops believed Sandy when he said he wouldn't go near any more children. They kept it out of the newspaper to protect the school, of course.
Hey, I know. Because I was promoted to a nice coaching position later on, I'll believe this: Sandusky was actually lynched by the outraged parents, just days after I reported this horrendous incident. What I'm seeing is Sandy's ghost, who can no longer do any harm. Yeah, that's it. My conscience is clear.
Yeah, and let's try to use our brain for a second. What would the police do if someone said they "heard" that this guy did something like that... ? They wouldn't even investigate a hearsay case.
Are you kidding? They jump all over even the suggestion of molestation.
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
I think you're just wanting to punish him because some little boys got their salad's tossed. If that wasn't a factor, you'd likely be completely agreeing with me. The sad truth is, freedom isn't easy. I think we've finally found your limit. You WANT the police to raid houses at the mere suspicion of molestation... (they don't, but you seem to BELIEVE it happens based on your want)....
If the cops were doing their jobs, they'd find out where the "hearsay" came from and talk to the source. The eyewitness (McQuery?) was ultimately responsible for reporting it to police anyway, when he realized that Sandusky was still alive rather than a ghost walking around Penn St campus. All those who were in the chain of command with McQ's complaint were at least ethically responsible, if not criminally liable, for failure to follow up with police. Had they gone to the police to voice their concerns, they would have vindicated themselves without risking their jobs.
Then we have Big Fans of the Penn St. football program who apparently anguish more over this black eye, than the boys who were abused. link: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-penn-s...tory?track=rss
This is starting to look worse than Fulgencio Batista's corruption in Cuba. If Fidel Castro were still a young commie, encamped with his buddies a few miles outside Penn St., I'd say that University would fall within 2 weeks.
jwreck (11-10-2011)
Passing the buck onto Paterno is completely idiotic for two reasons. 1: he didn't molest anyone. And 2: he didn't ignore the lone accusation he received. It's not like he received several or witnessed it himself.
Truth Teller (11-12-2011)
If Paterno had told the police, after noticing a lack of action against Sndsky, then your statement would be valid. Doesn't mean he would have had to continuously bug the cops, hire his own detective, or take any other action. Just voice his concerns to the cops. Paterno isn't the only one who's gonna own this filthy dollar, either. Other officials at Penn St. have, or will fall. This case is a media version of an atomic bomb for Penn St administration. And it is well deserved.
jwreck (11-10-2011)
A lack of noticeable action doesn't mean a lack of action. For all he knew the matter was investigated and the "witness" later admitted they lied.If Paterno had told the police, after noticing a lack of action against Sndsky, then your statement would be valid. Doesn't mean he would have had to continuously bug the cops, hire his own detective, or take any other action. Just voice his concerns to the cops. Paterno isn't the only one who's gonna own this filthy dollar, either. Other officials at Penn St. have, or will fall. This case is a media version of an atomic bomb for Penn St administration. And it is well deserved.
If you think higher ups always report back to the lower levels, you're an idiot.
Truth Teller (11-12-2011)
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