Lara Logan:"My attack was retribution against the free press " by pro-Mubarak people

[GanjaFreebird]

no you are-the arab world is trying to break free of the shackles imposed by the west

No they aren't.

and America is trying to protect the wests intersts and do damage control-america is incompetent

Maybe, but America was on the opposition's side in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya against the dictators. And the "change" only turned out to be for the worst.

the army has its own intersts to protect-it isnt there for freedom and liberty and the american way...

In other words, they are barbatric savages who don't value neither humanity nor freedom.

people seeking to break the stranglehold of an oppressive power look to their military...ive seen it over and so have you-what dont you buy?

I don't buy it because I've seen what it caused in communist Soviet Union (after they killed the Czar) and in Iran after the Shah, and say whatever you want about the Czar or the Shah (both were assholes and criminals) but Stalin and the Ayatollahs were/are MUCH worse.

the un might listen to guido?

No, thank God.

guido is and waht he believes isnt half as important to this issue as who the egyptians are...

True, the fact that so many people in Egypt are barbaric savages and that their culture is fucked up, is definitely much more of a problem than the opinions of some self-hating middle-class Jew that lives in America.

i never called you stupid or even said you were wrong-i said it was in questionable taste to use this girl's misfortune
for a political purpose and it is.

That's how they treat their women ALL THE TIME, genius!! If anything, the fact that they physically abused a celebrity that wasn't from their country/culture only raised awareness for their fucked up behavior and culture. It's not just an individual crime, it's their everyday type of behavior/attitudes.

[GanjaFreebird]

maybe this is true-so then israel needs a neutral party to help mediate?

No they don't, they already have Obama and that's good enough.

and that neutral party has to enunciate the issue im outlining and needs to hold Israel accountable to maintain the claim that it is in fact neutral-if someone is to serve as a mediator-

See above...Obama is as neutral as it's going to get there.

they have to find fault on both sides-dont you see this? otherwise theyre just a mouthpiece for israel...

Israel hasn't been unreasonable or too tough on their enemies since the late 1950's, so please stop being so fuckin' ignorant here. Israel is being too nice to the Palestinians compared to what other Arabs would've done (and have done) to them under similar circumstances.

maybe israel is stuck

BINGO!! And people like yourself who open their mouth without understanding the situation very well are only being annoying in such situations, no offense.

or maybe israel needs to make more friends

The whole reason why the Jews NEEDED to create Israel was because they couldn't "make more friends" to begin with, as anti-semitism is widespread almost EVERYWHERE, and our survival depends on having a country that can protect us, not on kissing ass and begging for friends

[Guido]

Guido, you don't think there's ANYTHING weird with a Jew supporting Iran and Hamas?

I think Jews are just as entitled to have political opinions as anyone else. What do you think, Mr. Shit-fer-Brains?

As for "supporting" Iran and Hamas, I have no idea what you're talking about. Supporting in what sense? In what context?

You mean as a general matter? Am I to imagine someone doing a jig or shouting "Yeeeeahhh!" when Iran and/or Hamas is mentioned? Or do you have something more specific in mind, Elmer Fudd?

[Freedom&Liberty]

By right-wing democrats, actually. At the time (before 1965), the extreme-right wingers were southern democrats (including George Wallace and Strom Thurmond), while the republicans were mostly moderate and often liberal. Learn your history, fool.

Yeah, that's why the democrat run Klan killed all those white republicans. A democrat is a democrat, now and then. And along came Wilson to set the country back 40 years and Johnson to destroy blacks for good. Oh yeah, you liberals love the black folk.

[GanjaFreebird]

I think Jews are just as entitled to have political opinions as anyone else. What do you think, Mr. Shit-fer-Brains?

Right, but how would you feel about an African-American person who supported KKK or a S. African Black person who supported the apartheid? Are they also "just as entitled" to those political opinions, or would you find something "strange" about that, maybe?

As for "supporting" Iran and Hamas, I have no idea what you're talking about. Supporting in what sense? In what context?

Supporting their behavior towards America and Israel, for starts...their treatment of their own people is not something to brag about either.

You mean as a general matter? Am I to imagine someone doing a jig or shouting "Yeeeeahhh!" when Iran and/or Hamas is mentioned?

Why don't you tell us how it REALLY is, then. We would love to know.

Or do you have something more specific in mind, Elmer Fudd?

Either way...why don't you tell us your thoughts about Iran and Hamas.

[GanjaFreebird]

Yeah, that's why the democrat run Klan killed all those white republicans. A democrat is a democrat, now and then.

That's not true at all. Most people who called themselves "democrats" before 1965, and definitely before the 1920s would NOT approve of today's democrats/liberals, and the same goes vice versa.

The democrats used to be very conservative back then (at best, some were liberal on economic issues, but still very conservative on social issues and foreign policy). Right now, they are mostly liberals and moderates.

And along came Wilson to set the country back 40 years and Johnson to destroy blacks for good. Oh yeah, you liberals love the black folk.

Sure, but how the hell can you possible "destroy" a whole race, especially "for good", without a genocide? Don't get me wrong, neither LBJ nor Wilson are my heros (especially when it comes to foreign policy), but still...

[Freedom&Liberty]

That's not true at all. Most people who called themselves "democrats" before 1965, and definitely before the 1920s would NOT approve of today's democrats/liberals, and the same goes vice versa.

Well it damn sure wasn't Republicans that killed other Republicans.

The democrats used to be very conservative back then (at best, some were liberal on economic issues, but still very conservative on social issues and foreign policy). Right now, they are mostly liberals and moderates.

If they were alive today they'd be pissed off about what you idiots have done to the place. Too bad you guys couldn't maintain the decency of the traditional liberal.

Sure, but how the hell can you possible "destroy" a whole race, especially "for good", without a genocide? Don't get me wrong, neither LBJ nor Wilson are my heros (especially when it comes to foreign policy), but still...

Liberals turned blacks into victims to guarantee that they would never amount to anything.

[Truth Teller]

And I'm asking you to back up your claim that I am a neo-Nazi.

Is that a verbatim quote from me?

You said you can't see any significant difference between what I say and what they say.

When it comes to bashing liberals and blaming liberals for all the ills in the world,there indeed is no signficant difference beween what you say and what they say.

But it doesn't even matter WHO has the power in Egypt...it's their society/culture that's fucked up. If anything, Mubarak's secular dictatorship may have somewhat protected the secular/non-islamist minority and women in Egypt from some of the barbaric fanatical behavior that's accepted in their society.

It is true that many people in Egypt hated Mubarak for sincere good reasons, but there also many people there who hated him because he wasn't Islamic/anti-Israel/anti-America/anti-secular/bigoted enough for them. Same with the Shah and Iran.

As that Egyptan musican I linked said "It wouldn't matter if I was president, the system would still be the same" and culture is a major part of systematic rule.

the army has its own intersts to protect

Bingo!

why is this thread about guido?

He's the one who chooses to bait,hate,hijack,troll and be an all-around #@%**&%,so go ask him.

youre always complaining about personal attacks

And Guido (without provocation) endlessley gives them to me,GF,CR and anyone else who doesn't agree with him about Israel or the ME,fuck that.

He delibrately starts it.

one bad boarder dont spoil the whole bunch girl

WTF?

i dont think Lara is a bad person

Nor do I ,but even if she was ,what happend to her (and others) cannot be justified and the Army/government doing nothing about it can't be justified either.

and maybe she's trying to put a human face to the tragedy and
thats a brave good thing

I think she's trying to get too long delayed justice for herself and for others.

i said it was in questionable taste to use this girl's misfortune
for a political purpose and it is.

I'm not doing that,I'm calling for justice ,she said this,not me,the evidence has suggested this from the very start,that is not my "fault".

You're talking politics,I'm talking justice.

maybe this is true-so then israel needs a neutral party to help mediate? and that neutral party has to enunciate the issue im outlining and needs to hold Israel accountable to maintain the claim that it is in fact neutral-if someone is to serve as a mediator-
they have to find fault on both sides-dont you see this? otherwise theyre just a mouthpiece for israel...



maybe israel is stuck-or maybe israel needs to make more friends

I know you have a pure heart,but the rest of the world doesn't ,especially not in that region.

That's how they treat their women ALL THE TIME, genius!! If anything, the fact that they physically abused a celebrity that wasn't from their country/culture only raised awareness for their fucked up behavior and culture. It's not just an individual crime, it's their everyday type of behavior/attitudes.

Powerboss ,Guido and the rest of their wretched ilk always say "Why Lara Logan?",the reason why is because Lara Logan has raised the conciousness of countless people literally all over the world,including myself.

And when the conciousness of people are raised,then it's a game changer.

John Lennon and Bob Dylan raised people's conciousness too,that's probably why most of the same people go batshit whenever those names are mentioned as well.

Yeah, that's why the democrat run Klan killed all those white republicans. A democrat is a democrat, now and then. And along came Wilson to set the country back 40 years and Johnson to destroy blacks for good. Oh yeah, you liberals love the black folk.

Back in the 1860s Democrats were ultra right-wing and Republicans were left-wing ranging from moderate liberals(Abe Lincoln) to the ultra radical left.

[fat mike]

No they aren't.

what is the pan islamic movement>? theyre stting on a mountain of resources and their people are hungry=you can blame their leaders but the money is coming here

Maybe, but America was on the opposition's side in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya against the dictators. And the "change" only turned out to be for the worst.

im not sure where youre going there

In other words, they are barbatric savages who don't value neither humanity nor freedom.

even if that were true theyd still be entitled to some dignity

I don't buy it because I've seen what it caused in communist Soviet Union (after they killed the Czar) and in Iran after the Shah, and say whatever you want about the Czar or the Shah (both were assholes and criminals) but Stalin and the Ayatollahs were/are MUCH worse.

i didnt say it was good i said it was an appealing idea=obviously as many times as its been tried its obviously appealing

No, thank God.

you dont like who they are listening to

True, the fact that so many people in Egypt are barbaric savages and that their culture is fucked up, is definitely much more of a problem than the opinions of some self-hating middle-class Jew that lives in America.

and more of problem than my opinions or yours either=whats the point? so you can call him a self hating etc?

That's how they treat their women ALL THE TIME, genius!! If anything, the fact that they physically abused a celebrity that wasn't from their country/culture only raised awareness for their fucked up behavior and culture. It's not just an individual crime, it's their everyday type of behavior/attitudes.

i'm a Christian-i see ugly stuff right here-i see women whove been battered ad raped and dont have the sense to leave the animals who did it-im plenty alarmed about our supposedly enlightnened society

No they don't, they already have Obama and that's good enough.

obama isnt an assured quantity-most of the republicans see israel as a necessity-maybe not the idiot paul
but most-im not sure their approach would be much different anyway

See above...Obama is as neutral as it's going to get there.

obama is smart enough not to reveal his true feeliings-we dont know where hes going in any of this

Israel hasn't been unreasonable or too tough on their enemies since the late 1950's, so please stop being so fuckin' ignorant here. Israel is being too nice to the Palestinians compared to what other Arabs would've done (and have done) to them under similar circumstances.

intercepting medical supplies doesnt sound good-i cant go point by point on everythgin ive read-youre right im no expert-but it sounds ugly enough to have alienated a lot more intelligent people than me

BINGO!! And people like yourself who open their mouth without understanding the situation very well are only being annoying in such situations, no offense.

oh how could i be offended?whats really here to understand? 2 parties fighting for mutually goals?you dont think ive ever seen that?

The whole reason why the Jews NEEDED to create Israel was because they couldn't "make more friends" to begin with, as anti-semitism is widespread almost EVERYWHERE, and our survival depends on having a country that can protect us, not on kissing ass and begging for friends

the dignity of israel is very important to me Lad-a person doesnt have to agree with everythign you say to love and care about israel

[fat mike]

As that Egyptan musican I linked said "It wouldn't matter if I was president, the system would still be the same" and culture is a major part of systematic rule.

thats certainly true and its why things arent always great here

Bingo!

i was only saying they needed to be dealt with-if you want change some place you have to have allies
and you have to allow that they wont always agree with you-but even if the army is an unsuitable ally theyre still
a force that needs to be contended with

He's the one who chooses to bait,hate,hijack,troll and be an all-around #@%**&%,so go ask him.

if he irritates you so much stick him on ignore

And Guido (without provocation) endlessley gives them to me,GF,CR and anyone else who doesn't agree with him about Israel or the ME,fuck that.

He delibrately starts it.

and if he were a 12 year old playing junior high pranks on you?

WTF?

im pointing out that youre addressing the entire board with your complaints about guido..

Nor do I ,but even if she was ,what happend to her (and others) cannot be justified and the Army/government doing nothing about it can't be justified either.

i agree

I think she's trying to get too long delayed justice for herself and for others.

maybe so-criminy you think i have no sympathy for the girl?
maybe im trying to suggest the bastards pasting her all over the media are assholes

I'm not doing that,I'm calling for justice ,she said this,not me,the evidence has suggested this from the very start,that is not my "fault".

You're talking politics,I'm talking justice.

its certainly not your fault these jerks are using the girl and yes im talking politics because unfortunately that part of this

I know you have a pure heart,but the rest of the world doesn't ,especially not in that region.

im not always that pure-shes a lovely girl -it would be more uselful for the media to find poeple in egypt
to enunciate these goals because certainly there are poeple there willing to repudiate what happened to her

Powerboss ,Guido and the rest of their wretched ilk always say "Why Lara Logan?",the reason why is because Lara Logan has raised the conciousness of countless people literally all over the world,including myself.

ill concede its ture thast westerners are always more responsive when a western personality is the brunt of somethign like this-
maybe the "poor taste" is a grim necessity i dont know

[Guido]

And Guido (without provocation) endlessley gives them to me,GF,CR and anyone else who doesn't agree with him about Israel or the ME,fuck that.

He delibrately starts it.

Maybe it's time for you to roll up your wrinkles, gather up your colostomy bag, and waddle on over to the nearest corner of your basement room where you can OD on viagra or something, you shriveled little turd of a man.

[Cyclone Ranger]

no you are-the arab world is trying to break free of the shackles imposed by the west

They weren't imposed by the West. They're a consequence of their belief system.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Yeah, that's why the democrat run Klan killed all those white republicans.

They were Dixie-crats, not Democrats. They didn't approve of the liberal civil rights agenda, and fled to the GOP once it succeeded, as per Nixon's Southern strategy.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Sure, but how the hell can you possible "destroy" a whole race, especially "for good", without a genocide? Don't get me wrong, neither LBJ nor Wilson are my heros (especially when it comes to foreign policy), but still...

What kind of horse's ass thinks the Civil Rights Act was intended to destroy a race?

[fat mike]

They weren't imposed by the West. They're a consequence of their belief system.

those thugs you see running the store werent muslims

[hadit]

Is that a verbatim quote from me?



When it comes to bashing liberals and blaming liberals for all the ills in the world,there indeed is no signficant difference beween what you say and what they say.

I think you just answered your own question. Last chance. Quote me or withdraw the accusation. It's just that simple.

[Vader]

How many Klan rallies have you been to?

Obviously not as many as you have been to!

[Vader]

Yeah, that's why the democrat run Klan killed all those white republicans. A democrat is a democrat, now and then. And along came Wilson to set the country back 40 years and Johnson to destroy blacks for good. Oh yeah, you liberals love the black folk.

You are such a race-hater. It's really sad but very typical of the old south and those who refuse to leave the old south behind.

[Vader]

Well it damn sure wasn't Republicans that killed other Republicans.

.... Republicans will murder anybody, including their own mothers, if it suits their agenda. Some liberals are just as bad.... but Republicans have cornered the market on backwards barbarity.

Liberals turned blacks into victims to guarantee that they would never amount to anything.

Mindless republican tripe.

[jwreck]

Nuke the middle east. Fuck em all.