Lara Logan:"My attack was retribution against the free press " by pro-Mubarak people

[Truth Teller]

Did you or did you not refer to me as a neo-Nazi?

I refered to every liberal-basher that way,no one person in particular.

See, that's your problem here. This is EXACTLY why you don't understand why we have a problem with the Arab-Muslim world/Palestinians and why we don't compromise on Israel's Jewish majority. You may have given up on your Jewish culture, but the rest of us haven't and don't plan on doing so, and the same goes for our enemies, as they don't plan on treating their women, minorities, gays or anybody any better...the elections in Tunisia, and the situations in Egypt and Libya right now would suggest that too.

[hadit]

I refered to every liberal-basher that way,no one person in particular.

That's an intellectually lazy thing to do, about two degrees above calling someone a "poopyhead".

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

PROJECTION ALERT!

lol .....

[igofast]

I refered to every liberal-basher that way

I can't believe you just admitted that. Impressive.

[Truth Teller]

I can't believe you just admitted that. Impressive.

I can't see a major difference betwwen a Liberal-basher and a neo-nazi,except ,maybe, neo-Nazi's are more honest.

[Guido]

I can't see a major difference betwwen a Liberal-basher and a neo-nazi,except ,maybe, neo-Nazi's are more honest.

Do you consider Chris Hedges to be a neo-nazi?

Here's an excerpt from his book, The Death of the Liberal Class:

In a traditional democracy, the liberal class functions as a safety valve. It makes piecemeal and incremental reform possible. It offers hope for change and proposes gradual steps toward greater equality. It endows the state and the mechanisms of power with virtue. It also serves as an attack dog that discredits radical social movements, making the liberal class a useful component within the power elite.

But the assault by the corporate state on the democratic state has claimed the liberal class as one of its victims. Corporate power forgot that the liberal class, when it functions, gives legitimacy to the power elite. And reducing the liberal class to courtiers or mandarins, who have nothing to offer but empty rhetoric, shuts off this safety valve and forces discontent to find other outlets that often end in violence. The inability of the liberal class to acknowledge that corporations have wrested power from the hands of citizens, that the Constitution and its guarantees of personal liberty have become irrelevant, and that the phrase consent of the governed is meaningless, has left it speaking and acting in ways that no longer correspond to reality. It has lent its voice to hollow acts of political theater, and the pretense that democratic debate and choice continue to exist.

The liberal class refuses to recognize the obvious because it does not want to lose its comfortable and often well-paid perch. Churches and universities—in elite schools such as Princeton, professors can earn $180,000 a year—enjoy tax-exempt status as long as they refrain from overt political critiques. Labor leaders make lavish salaries and are considered junior partners within corporate capitalism as long as they do not speak in the language of class struggle. Politicians, like generals, are loyal to the demands of the corporate state in power and retire to become millionaires as lobbyists or corporate managers. Artists who use their talents to foster the myths and illusions that bombard our society live comfortably in the Hollywood Hills.


The media, the church, the university, the Democratic Party, the arts, and labor unions—the pillars of the liberal class—have been bought off with corporate money and promises of scraps tossed to them by the narrow circles of power. Journalists, who prize access to the powerful more than they prize truth, report lies and propaganda to propel us into a war in Iraq. Many of these same journalists assured us it was prudent to entrust our life savings to a financial system run by speculators and thieves. Those life savings were gutted. The media, catering to corporate advertisers and sponsors, at the same time renders invisible whole sections of the population whose misery, poverty, and grievances should be the principal focus of journalism.

In the name of tolerance—a word the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., never used—the liberal church and the synagogue refuse to denounce Christian heretics who acculturate the Christian religion with the worst aspects of consumerism, nationalism, greed, imperial hubris, violence, and bigotry. These institutions accept globalization and unfettered capitalism as natural law. Liberal religious institutions, which should concern themselves with justice, embrace a cloying personal piety expressed in a how-is-it-with-me kind of spirituality and small, self-righteous acts of publicly conspicuous charity. Years spent in seminary or rabbinical schools, years devoted to the study of ethics, justice, and morality, prove useless when it comes time to stand up to corporate forces that usurp religious and moral language for financial and political gain.

Universities no longer train students to think critically, to examine and critique systems of power and cultural and political assumptions, to ask the broad questions of meaning and morality once sustained by the humanities. These institutions have transformed themselves into vocational schools. They have become breeding grounds for systems managers trained to serve the corporate state. In a Faustian bargain with corporate power, many of these universities have swelled their endowments and the budgets of many of their departments with billions in corporate and government dollars. College presidents, paid enormous salaries as if they were the heads of corporations, are judged almost solely on their ability to raise money. In return, these universities, like the media and religious institutions, not only remain silent about corporate power but also condemn as “political” all within their walls who question corporate malfeasance and the excesses of unfettered capitalism.

Unions, organizations formerly steeped in the doctrine of class struggle and filled with members who sought broad social and political rights for the working class, have been transformed into domesticated negotiators with the capitalist class. Cars rolling off the Ford plants in Michigan were said to be made by UAW Ford. But where unions still exist, they have been reduced to simple bartering tools, if that. The social demands of unions in the early twentieth century that gave the working class weekends off, the right to strike, the eight-hour workday, and Social Security, have been abandoned. Universities, especially in political science and economics departments, parrot the discredited ideology of unregulated capitalism and have no new ideas. The arts, just as hungry as the media or the academy for corporate money and sponsorship, refuse to address the social and economic disparities that create suffering for tens of millions of citizens. Commercial artists peddle the mythical narrative, one propagated by corporations, self-help gurus, Oprah and the Christian Right, that if we dig deep enough within ourselves, focus on happiness, find our inner strength, or believe in miracles, we can have everything we desire.

Such magical thinking, a staple of the entertainment industry, blinds citizens to corporate structures that have made it impossible for families to lift themselves out of poverty or live with dignity. But perhaps the worst offender within the liberal class is the Democratic Party.

The party consciously sold out the working class for corporate money. Bill Clinton, who argued that labor had nowhere else to go, in 1994 passed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which betrayed the working class. He went on to destroy welfare and in 1999 ripped down the firewalls between commercial and investment banks to turn the banking system over to speculators. Barack Obama, who raised more than $600 million to run for president, most of it from corporations, has served corporate interests as assiduously as his party. He has continued the looting of the U.S. Treasury by corporations, refused to help the millions of Americans who have lost their homes because of bank repossessions or foreclosures, and has failed to address the misery of our permanent class of unemployed.

Populations will endure the repression of tyrants, as long as these rulers continue to manage and wield power effectively. But human history has demonstrated that once those in positions of power become redundant and impotent, yet insist on retaining the trappings and privileges of power, their subject populations will brutally discard them. Such a fate awaits the liberal class, which insists on clinging to its positions of privilege while at the same time refusing to play its traditional role within the democratic state. The liberal class has become a useless and despised appendage of corporate power. And as corporate power pollutes and poisons the ecosystem and propels us into a world where there will be only masters and serfs, the liberal class, which serves no purpose in the new configuration, is being abandoned and discarded. The death of the liberal class means there is no check to a corporate apparatus designed to enrich a tiny elite and plunder the nation. An ineffectual liberal class means there is no hope, however remote, of a correction or a reversal. It ensures that the frustration and anger among the working and middle classes will find expression outside the confines of democratic institutions and the civilities of a liberal democracy.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture...lass_20101029/

[igofast]

I can't see a major difference betwwen a Liberal-basher and a neo-nazi,except ,maybe, neo-Nazi's are more honest.

Aaaaand you have just discredited yourself more than anyone else could have. Someone that wants to rid the world of Jews, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, etc is not in the least bit on the same level as someone that talks shit about liberals. That is literally an insane correlation.

[Powerboss]

Aaaaand you have just discredited yourself more than anyone else could have. Someone that wants to rid the world of Jews, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, etc is not in the least bit on the same level as someone that talks shit about liberals. That is literally an insane correlation.

Did you expect anything else from him? It's much less intellectually taxing for him to call names than actually have to address arguments that aren't in line with his.

[Truth Teller]

Aaaaand you have just discredited yourself more than anyone else could have. Someone that wants to rid the world of Jews, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, etc is not in the least bit on the same level as someone that talks shit about liberals. That is literally an insane correlation.

Ah,but liberals were also on the extermination list of the SS(you left out Gypsies ,who were number two on Hitler's kill list),and I see no significant difference between the Nazi rhetoric and the rhetoric of the liberal and minority bashers of DA.

There is a difference in their actions(at least as of now),but not really in their speech.

[Truth Teller]

Did you expect anything else from him? It's much less intellectually taxing for him to call names than actually have to address arguments that aren't in line with his.

Am I the only one who sees irony here?

[jwreck]

Dumbass.

[Truth Teller]

Do you consider Chris Hedges to be a neo-nazi?

Here's an excerpt from his book, The Death of the Liberal Class:

In a traditional democracy, the liberal class functions as a safety valve. It makes piecemeal and incremental reform possible. It offers hope for change and proposes gradual steps toward greater equality. It endows the state and the mechanisms of power with virtue. It also serves as an attack dog that discredits radical social movements, making the liberal class a useful component within the power elite.

But the assault by the corporate state on the democratic state has claimed the liberal class as one of its victims. Corporate power forgot that the liberal class, when it functions, gives legitimacy to the power elite. And reducing the liberal class to courtiers or mandarins, who have nothing to offer but empty rhetoric, shuts off this safety valve and forces discontent to find other outlets that often end in violence. The inability of the liberal class to acknowledge that corporations have wrested power from the hands of citizens, that the Constitution and its guarantees of personal liberty have become irrelevant, and that the phrase consent of the governed is meaningless, has left it speaking and acting in ways that no longer correspond to reality. It has lent its voice to hollow acts of political theater, and the pretense that democratic debate and choice continue to exist.

The liberal class refuses to recognize the obvious because it does not want to lose its comfortable and often well-paid perch. Churches and universities—in elite schools such as Princeton, professors can earn $180,000 a year—enjoy tax-exempt status as long as they refrain from overt political critiques. Labor leaders make lavish salaries and are considered junior partners within corporate capitalism as long as they do not speak in the language of class struggle. Politicians, like generals, are loyal to the demands of the corporate state in power and retire to become millionaires as lobbyists or corporate managers. Artists who use their talents to foster the myths and illusions that bombard our society live comfortably in the Hollywood Hills.


The media, the church, the university, the Democratic Party, the arts, and labor unions—the pillars of the liberal class—have been bought off with corporate money and promises of scraps tossed to them by the narrow circles of power. Journalists, who prize access to the powerful more than they prize truth, report lies and propaganda to propel us into a war in Iraq. Many of these same journalists assured us it was prudent to entrust our life savings to a financial system run by speculators and thieves. Those life savings were gutted. The media, catering to corporate advertisers and sponsors, at the same time renders invisible whole sections of the population whose misery, poverty, and grievances should be the principal focus of journalism.

In the name of tolerance—a word the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., never used—the liberal church and the synagogue refuse to denounce Christian heretics who acculturate the Christian religion with the worst aspects of consumerism, nationalism, greed, imperial hubris, violence, and bigotry. These institutions accept globalization and unfettered capitalism as natural law. Liberal religious institutions, which should concern themselves with justice, embrace a cloying personal piety expressed in a how-is-it-with-me kind of spirituality and small, self-righteous acts of publicly conspicuous charity. Years spent in seminary or rabbinical schools, years devoted to the study of ethics, justice, and morality, prove useless when it comes time to stand up to corporate forces that usurp religious and moral language for financial and political gain.

Universities no longer train students to think critically, to examine and critique systems of power and cultural and political assumptions, to ask the broad questions of meaning and morality once sustained by the humanities. These institutions have transformed themselves into vocational schools. They have become breeding grounds for systems managers trained to serve the corporate state. In a Faustian bargain with corporate power, many of these universities have swelled their endowments and the budgets of many of their departments with billions in corporate and government dollars. College presidents, paid enormous salaries as if they were the heads of corporations, are judged almost solely on their ability to raise money. In return, these universities, like the media and religious institutions, not only remain silent about corporate power but also condemn as “political” all within their walls who question corporate malfeasance and the excesses of unfettered capitalism.

Unions, organizations formerly steeped in the doctrine of class struggle and filled with members who sought broad social and political rights for the working class, have been transformed into domesticated negotiators with the capitalist class. Cars rolling off the Ford plants in Michigan were said to be made by UAW Ford. But where unions still exist, they have been reduced to simple bartering tools, if that. The social demands of unions in the early twentieth century that gave the working class weekends off, the right to strike, the eight-hour workday, and Social Security, have been abandoned. Universities, especially in political science and economics departments, parrot the discredited ideology of unregulated capitalism and have no new ideas. The arts, just as hungry as the media or the academy for corporate money and sponsorship, refuse to address the social and economic disparities that create suffering for tens of millions of citizens. Commercial artists peddle the mythical narrative, one propagated by corporations, self-help gurus, Oprah and the Christian Right, that if we dig deep enough within ourselves, focus on happiness, find our inner strength, or believe in miracles, we can have everything we desire.

Such magical thinking, a staple of the entertainment industry, blinds citizens to corporate structures that have made it impossible for families to lift themselves out of poverty or live with dignity. But perhaps the worst offender within the liberal class is the Democratic Party.

The party consciously sold out the working class for corporate money. Bill Clinton, who argued that labor had nowhere else to go, in 1994 passed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which betrayed the working class. He went on to destroy welfare and in 1999 ripped down the firewalls between commercial and investment banks to turn the banking system over to speculators. Barack Obama, who raised more than $600 million to run for president, most of it from corporations, has served corporate interests as assiduously as his party. He has continued the looting of the U.S. Treasury by corporations, refused to help the millions of Americans who have lost their homes because of bank repossessions or foreclosures, and has failed to address the misery of our permanent class of unemployed.

Populations will endure the repression of tyrants, as long as these rulers continue to manage and wield power effectively. But human history has demonstrated that once those in positions of power become redundant and impotent, yet insist on retaining the trappings and privileges of power, their subject populations will brutally discard them. Such a fate awaits the liberal class, which insists on clinging to its positions of privilege while at the same time refusing to play its traditional role within the democratic state. The liberal class has become a useless and despised appendage of corporate power. And as corporate power pollutes and poisons the ecosystem and propels us into a world where there will be only masters and serfs, the liberal class, which serves no purpose in the new configuration, is being abandoned and discarded. The death of the liberal class means there is no check to a corporate apparatus designed to enrich a tiny elite and plunder the nation. An ineffectual liberal class means there is no hope, however remote, of a correction or a reversal. It ensures that the frustration and anger among the working and middle classes will find expression outside the confines of democratic institutions and the civilities of a liberal democracy.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture...lass_20101029/

Further proof there is no significant difference between right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists.

[Truth Teller]

Dumbass.

Quit bragging about being one.

[Powerboss]

Quit bragging about being one.

He was referring to you. And he's correct.

[Dick Tator]

Ah,but liberals were also on the extermination list of the SS(you left out Gypsies ,who were number two on Hitler's kill list),and I see no significant difference between the Nazi rhetoric and the rhetoric of the liberal and minority bashers of DA.

There is a difference in their actions(at least as of now),but not really in their speech.

How DARE conservatives and their goal of lifting up minorities so they don't need government services that buy liberal votes!!! Obviously once the Republicans have gotten them all off of services and self sufficient productive citizens, the next step is to march them off to the ovens!

[302Riz]

Ah,but liberals were also on the extermination list of the SS(you left out Gypsies ,who were number two on Hitler's kill list),and I see no significant difference between the Nazi rhetoric and the rhetoric of the liberal and minority bashers of DA.

There is a difference in their actions(at least as of now),but not really in their speech.

Keep digging that hole, dipshit. Your are alienating yourself with your piss poor rationalizations for your intellectual laziness.

[igofast]

Ah,but liberals were also on the extermination list of the SS

So?

(you left out Gypsies ,who were number two on Hitler's kill list),

They're included in the "etc."

and I see no significant difference between the Nazi rhetoric and the rhetoric of the liberal and minority bashers of DA.

And that's why you're insane.

There is a difference in their actions(at least as of now),but not really in their speech.

Yes, there is. There is a huge difference. That is insane.

You're a conservative basher. Are you as bad as someone that wants to commit genocide on multiple races and cultures?

[Guido]

Further proof there is no significant difference between right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists.

I understand and accept that it's far beyond your capabilities to actually point out where and how Chris Hedges is similar to a right-wing extremist (that is, to construct a coherent thought as opposed to regurgitating a tired, overused cliche or an irrational prejudice) -- one reason for this being that you didn't actually read the Hedges article -- but I guess it's worth wasting a few seconds to point out that you are one of the few people in the world who aren't too embarrassed to say something as completely idiotic as this.

[Truth Teller]

Yes, there is. There is a huge difference.

Tell me the difference?


Again,I'm asking for the difference in their words,not in their actions.

[Truth Teller]

I understand and accept that it's far beyond your capabilities to actually point out where and how Chris Hedges is similar to a right-wing extremist (that is, to construct a coherent thought as opposed to regurgitating a tired, overused cliche or an irrational prejudice) -- one reason for this being that you didn't actually read the Hedges article

I did read that article ,it was way too long ,boring and said nothing.

One can't succced from the union the way pseudo-anarchists like Hedges advocate ,that didn't work for the Confederate States Of America,nor will it work for anyone or anything else.

To use an allegory that is probably over your head :We are all are interconnected like links in a chain( regardless if we like it or not),if the chain breaks, then we all are broken.

It doesn't matter if one's talking about all the different factions in the United States ,or about Israel and the Palestinians ,we all have to learn how to coexist.