Obamas Legacy?

[Powerboss]

Obama's Legacy?

[Dick Tator]

[big steve]

Obama will have the legacy of being the worst president of the last 100 years. He will elevate the legacy of Carter.

[302Riz]

His legacy will be class warfare by pitting the poor against the 'rich' and further dividing everyone by their race.

[antiquity]

Actually his legacy will be a failed Obamacare he tried to cram down our throats. Remember what Nancy "Botox" Pelosi said: We won't know what's in it until we pass it.

[Guido]

Obama's legacy will be to have disillusioned an entire generation, along with everyone else who can be rallied to his cause. In fact, that may be imagined as his primary purpose, from the Owners' perspective, because nothing encourages passive acquiescence better than disillusionment and cynicism.

Whereas a Republican President dismantling the last vestiges of traditional liberalism, or wasting away the public wealth on pointless military invasions/occupations, or shredding the Bill of rights would likely provoke a dangerous popular opposition movement, what a "liberal progressive Democrat" like Obama does the same thing, it doesn't make people mad so much as resigned -- disillusioned and cynical.

A population resigned to its fate is far more desireable than an angry population, and that's where Obama really can deliver.

No wonder Obama gets more money from Wall Street than all the GOP candidates combined.

PS: To observe this process in action, read Cd's posts, which are very interesting in this regard. Cd represents potential resistance to the status quo. However, he finds himself in a bizarre position, namely, hating just about everything Obama does, but voting for Obama -- again.

Obama keeps people like Cd off the street.

[GanjaFreebird]

Guido, many (if not most) liberals aren't extreme-leftists who give a shit about "constitutional rights" of Muslim terrorists or care about Arab Muslim countries either way. They are just people who support social liberalism (such as legal abortion, gay rights, end on war on drugs, sexual freedom, religious freedom and secularism), as well as socially responsible capitalism (as opposed to complete freedom for greedy rich people and big businesses), however, they still feel the same way about this country's security and benefits as anybody else, therefore, they aren't going to find much in common with you, but rather with somebody like Obama.

As much as you hate it, most of the country is moderate and cannot relate to neither far right nor far left ideas, and that's why Obama is your president, despite the fact that many of his supporters (including myself and Cd) have some strong disagreements with him over certain issues.

[Guido]

Guido, many (if not most) liberals aren't extreme-leftists who give a shit about "constitutional rights" of Muslim terrorists or care about Arab Muslim countries either way. They are just people who support social liberalism (such as legal abortion, gay rights, end on war on drugs, sexual freedom, religious freedom and secularism), as well as socially responsible capitalism (as opposed to complete freedom for greedy rich people and big businesses), however, they still feel the same way about this country's security and benefits as anybody else, therefore, they aren't going to find much in common with you, but rather with somebody like Obama.

As much as you hate it, most of the country is moderate and cannot relate to neither far right nor far left ideas, and that's why Obama is your president, despite the fact that many of his supporters (including myself and Cd) have some strong disagreements with him over certain issues.

Your life would probably be more interesting if you learned how to use your brain and your imagination in ways that aren't completely conventional.

Try to see the bigger picture, let yourself go once in a while, be original for once. If you say something stupid, that's OK, it's better than just regurgitating cliches and tired old prejudices.

And when a discussion has the potential to lead you in a direction you haven't already explored, don't try to kill it by droning on about "terrorists" and "moderates" and "Arab Muslims" and the rest of that moronic bullshit. Go with the flow.

Here's an experiment for you: If you had to write a novel about "Obama," what would it be about? How would you make it worthwhile? (Hint: not by writing about "Arab Muslim Terrorist" and the virtues of being "moderate." No, you'd have to think of something that isn't on the TV news or hasn't already been said by boring drones like George Stephanapoulos on Sunday morning talk shows.)

[GanjaFreebird]

Your life would probably be more interesting if you learned how to use your brain and your imagination in ways that aren't completely conventional.

Try to see the bigger picture, let yourself go once in a while, be original for once. If you say something stupid, that's OK, it's better than just regurgitating cliches and tired old prejudices.

Guido, I'm not the topic here. I wasn't even talking about my opinion necessarily, just about the reality in America. In a democracy, you just can't ignore what the majority of people want, regardless of your personal views.

And when a discussion has the potential to lead you in a direction you haven't already explored, don't try to kill it by droning on about "terrorists" and "moderates" and "Arab Muslims" and the rest of that moronic bullshit. Go with the flow.

I'm only being objective about the overall picture. We can all wear a Che t-shirt, smoke a bunch of pot and tell each other how the world SHOULD be, and be all smart about it...but is it going to change the reality in America and around the world? You can't ignore the real picture and substitute it with your idealistic views. Obama and the rest of us also have idealistic views, but the difference is that we're still realistic and not dellusional.

Here's an experiment for you: If you had to write a novel about "Obama," what would it be about? How would you make it worthwhile? (Hint: not by writing about "Arab Muslim Terrorist" and the virtues of being "moderate." No, you'd have to think of something that isn't on the TV news or hasn't already been said by boring drones like George Stephanapoulos on Sunday morning talk shows.)

It would be about a man that is trying to do what he feels is best for America and for the majority of Americans, who is dedicated to our security and safety, despite the political challenges and the criticism from left and right...an African-American person that was born to a segregated racist America and ended up being its president and saving the country from a complete financial disaster, as well as catching and killing some of our worst enemies.

[Guido]

It would be about a man that is trying to do what he feels is best for America and for the majority of Americans, who is dedicated to our security and safety, despite the political challenges and the criticism from left and right...an African-American person that was born to a segregated racist America and ended up being its president and saving the country from a complete financial disaster, as well as catching and killing some of our worst enemies.

I really cannot converse with someone whose understanding of the world is as stunted and infantile as yours.

Go bother someone else, please.

[GanjaFreebird]

Now you're changing the topic again...this is not about me, this is about Obama and the reasons for his actions.

You are taking shit to me because you get very upset when I mention the views of most Americans. I'm not even speaking for myself, I'm speaking for them. It is absolutely irrelevant what I personally think about Obama or his politics, just like it's irrelevant what you personally think. In a democracy, it's the MAJORITY that decides what's good and what's bad.

And based upon the fact that ALL presidential candidates (that have a chance of being elected, actually) have similar views about foreign policy and the treatment of terrorists only goes to suggest that this is what almost all Americans support.

Your anger is not really with me, it's with most Americans, you are just taking it out on me, which is absolutely useless for your cause. But what COULD be useful for your cause is to think about WHY do most Americans feel a certain way. You are too busy thinking about why do THEY hate US, but have you EVER considered why do WE hate THEM? Why do Americans/Israelis feel that way about certain countries and terrorist groups? It's a two-way street, Guido, and you can't ignore it, no matter how challenging it may be for your idealism.

[Dick Tator]

You are taking shit to me because you get very upset when I mention the views of most Americans.

"the views of most Americans."

[Guido]

So far, Guido has made one post dealing with the topic of Obama's legacy.

GanjaFreebird has made several posts (including a couple stating what "is not the topic," and each of them including the obligatory obsessive-compulsive stuff about killing Arab Muslim Terrorists), none of which deals with the topic of Obama's legacy.

[GanjaFreebird]

GanjaFreebird has made several posts (including a couple stating what "is not the topic," and each of them including the obligatory obsessive-compulsive stuff about killing Arab Muslim Terrorists), none of which deals with the topic of Obama's legacy.

You were the one to claim that Obama's legacy is bad because he gets away with killing Arab Muslim terrorists much more than Bush did.

I only explained WHY do people support Obama's (and some of Bush's) foreign policy.

"the views of most Americans."

DT, you are talking about an overall view on Obama, not necessarily his foreign policy and treatment of terrorists. Any presidential candidate today that has ANY chances of becoming the President in 2012 has very similar views on that issue. Only Ron Paul doesn't, and we already know how popular he is in America.

[Dick Tator]

DT, you are talking about an overall view on Obama, not necessarily his foreign policy and treatment of terrorists.

So tell me, oh great wise one! What has made his wonderful popularity in those things become dragged down overall? I mean... in order to balance out, he would have to have 0% approval in something! Unless you're just completely full of shit, which I'm sure is the case.

[Guido]

You were the one to claim that Obama's legacy is bad because he gets away with killing Arab Muslim terrorists much more than Bush did.

A quick look at my post #6 will confirm that I did not in fact claim that Obama's legacy is "bad" or that this legacy has anything to do with "killing Arab Muslim terrorists," and the name "Bush" is not found in my post either.

So we can add "reading English" to the list of tasks that are beyond your capability, along with "having an original or creative thought."

Obama's legacy, according to me, has to do with castrating the opposition by making sure that people remain disillusioned, cynical and passive. See post #6 for further detail.

[antiquity]

If your post was not about bashing Arabs, Ganga is not interested.

[GanjaFreebird]

So tell me, oh great wise one! What has made his wonderful popularity in those things become dragged down overall? I mean... in order to balance out, he would have to have 0% approval in something! Unless you're just completely full of shit, which I'm sure is the case.

There are many issues, especially the economy today, gas prices and other stuff where it hurts Obama's ratings among Americans.

Murdering Muslim terrorists (especially Bin-Laden, but any of them) only helps him out, if anything, with the support and approval of the American people, which is the reason why his ratings go up everytime he kills terrorists, which is my whole point.

The fact that the average American cares more about cheaper gas and having a well paying job than about dead muslim terrorists is only obvious.

Most liberals, moderates and conservatives are stronly supportive of Obama's policy against America's enemies for the most part, including people that don't approve of him overall and that would never vote for him.

[hadit]

It would be about a man that is trying to do what he feels is best for America and for the majority of Americans, who is dedicated to our security and safety, despite the political challenges and the criticism from left and right...an African-American person that was born to a segregated racist America and ended up being its president and saving the country from a complete financial disaster, as well as catching and killing some of our worst enemies.

I believe one of the requirements is that the book be non-fiction.

[Dick Tator]

There are many issues, especially the economy today, gas prices and other stuff where it hurts Obama's ratings among Americans.

Ah, but did you previously say, and I quote:

saving the country from a complete financial disaster,

Sounds to me like you think Americans think he's good for the economy and bad for the economy at the same time. You're completely full of shit. Come back when you can speak about Obama without being such a hack.