Reply With QuoteDick Tator (10-12-2011), Dreamy (10-12-2011), Truth-Bringer (10-14-2011)
Isn't Obama the chief law-enforcement officer in this country?
Don't these people largely support Obama?
Why aren't they mad that Obama isn't prosecuting wrong-doing on Wall Street?
If laws were broken, let's have some arrests, Mr. Obama!
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
Dick Tator (10-12-2011), Dreamy (10-12-2011), Truth-Bringer (10-14-2011)
You don't get it. Obama is not orchestrating this. The people are.Originally Posted by soylentgreen
We are sending a message to Obama stating that we demand that he do something!
I am actually very pissed off at the POTUS because of his inability to deal with Wall Street criminals as well as their wholly owned subsidiaries serving in congress (e.g. the Republican Party).
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
GanjaFreebird (10-12-2011)
Sooo... I take it you were against Obama's TARP vote, then?
I am against corporate welfare... hell yes.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
GanjaFreebird (10-12-2011)
Yet you want to continue the monetary relationship between Government and Business that breeds corruption? You don't like my idea of completely severing all monetary ties which includes banning private campaign financing and ending all corporate taxation, as well as any kind of corporate bailout, welfare, subsidy, or whatever you want to call it.
Also, why trash the Republicans when more Dems voted for TARP than Republicans?
Dreamy (10-12-2011), Freedom&Liberty (10-12-2011)
The Cato Institute defines corporate welfare:
"Any federal spending program that provides payments or unique benefits and advantages to specific companies or industries.” The report shows that despite all of the public pleas for the federal government to play a reduced role in private businesses, many Fortune 500 companies are using the federal government as their personal ATMs and have made no moves to get off of the dole.
The government should not be interjecting itself or our money into fake or real market failures espeically those created by the flaws and missteps of the compnay themselves.
I found this list on a Dem site but the facts are what they are.
If Congress is determined to cut the budget deficit, it should start by ending Corporate Welfare.
We have identified $2 trillion in Corporate Welfare that can and should be eliminated immediately:
Big Oil and Big Gas Tax Breaks: $80 billion
Deferral of Taxes on Income of U.S.-Controlled Corporations Abroad: $199 billion
Accelerated Depreciation on Equipment: $141 billion
Deduction for Domestic Manufacturing: $76.7 billion
Last-In, First-Out Accounting (LIFO): $24.2 billion
Subsidies to Big Agribusiness: $52 billion
Negotiate Drug Prices for Medicare: $157.9 billion
Tax Breaks For Drug Companies: $50 billion
Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee: $70.9 billion
Derivatives and Speculation Tax: $650 billion
Wasteful Military Spending: $550 billion
And yet you will slavishly vote for him again.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
Dick Tator (10-12-2011), soylentgreen (10-12-2011)
That's obvious.
I understand that. But, most of these people are Obama supporters...am I right?
Or else what? You'll vote for a Republican in 2012?
Why send the message now? Didn't all this shit go down in 2008? Why wasn't the message sent back then?
I'm sure you are...
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
No Dick, I just want to survive. And Campaign Finance Reform will never happen if the Republicans get the president. In fact it will be an effective corporate dictatorship. Citizens United, where right wing activist judges declared that corporations are people is evidence of this.
And please save me your "Ron Paul." The GOPigs will never let him have the nomination. Not going to happen.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
It was. The Democratic Party held onto the Senate and had some minor losses in the House. But in California and elsewhere the Demos were actually stronger.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
And the very thing you and your five friends are protesting became more prevalent. You claim to be mad at the president and want to send him a message, yet you intend to vote for him again. What makes you think he's going to pay you and your five friends any attention?
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
Minor losses in the house? It was a complete shift of power. Dems got their asses handed to them.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
I have no clue who these "five friends" are but its really the same thing that happened with the so called tea party.
The progressive wing of the Democratic Party will send a message that we are not to be taken for granted. This is Obama's base. And if he is to be reelected in 2012 he will need the support of the progressives. Its that simple. It worked for the right so it needs to work for the left as well.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
No you aren't. If this were the case you would be protesting in front of the whitehouse or at a golf course where Obama spends a good deal of his time. At the very least, I would be reading Obama-hate signs in these protests.
There was never a shortage of hate-bush and blame-bush picket signs during his tenure.
More feigned anger i.e. more bullshit. We all know you will vote a second time for obama without hesitation.I am actually very pissed off at the POTUS
Scandal? The government dispatched more firepower to arrest Nakoula Basseley Nakoula in Los Angeles than it did to protect its mission in Benghazi.
The "five friends" thing is a reference to the dismally small showings you are drumming up. When compared to the TEA Party, you're practically non-existent.
It won't, because Obama knows you will vote for him in 2012. You've admitted that already. Therefore, he will pay exactly zero attention to your "demands" and you will all just look silly.The progressive wing of the Democratic Party will send a message that we are not to be taken for granted. This is Obama's base. And if he is to be reelected in 2012 he will need the support of the progressives. Its that simple. It worked for the right so it needs to work for the left as well.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
Also notice the Tea Party events happen on weekends...when working/taxpaying citizens can attend. Who can attend an all-day all-week "protest" like the OWS event? Mostly losers, out-of-work actors, dope smokers, college students, and other various trouble makers. That's why the Tea Party is taken seriously while the OWS isn't.
Of course, this analysis is 100% correct. Obama is saying to the leftist wackadoos "I know you're going to give me your vote, so I don't have to meet any of your demands. What are you going to do...vote Republican? Hahahaha..."
If these people were serious about holding Obama's feet to the fire, they'd be running a challenger in the Democrat Party primaries.
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
Freedom&Liberty (10-14-2011), jwreck (10-13-2011)
If a message against Bush/Republicans was being sent, why would there be any Democratic losses at all?
I'm not sure what CA has to do with any of it....the place is a basket case. Are you holding it up as an example of good managment by Democrats/liberals? Let's face it, Arnold was a RINO. You can't really blame conservative policies for anything in CA.
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
Mostly this is not a personality oriented protest. Rather its directing anger towards the proper source. Obama's problem is that he has shown little back bone in dealing with the corporatist (e.g. GOP).
Its not like we have any choice. Its either Obama or go back to having the Corporatist Mafia (or Republican Party as its officially called) fuck things up for another 4 years.More feigned anger i.e. more bullshit. We all know you will vote a second time for obama without hesitation.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
lol. the democrats will do nothing, how many have not made millions from wallstreet? they will not bite the hand that feeds them.
Protest in DC, even with those dumbo ears, he cant hear you.
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Freedom&Liberty (10-14-2011)
So who is listening to the people?
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
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