Reply With QuoteI'm a proud projector of negativity. I'm an equal opportunity hater, and son of a jackal. I had to have hoove removal surgery at age 3.
Okay Ganga, very funny. On the serious side, F. Mike's issues are important to take note of. F. Mike represents what is wrong with many people who simply are too lazy to think for themselves. I never use the word, but F. Mike is a "bigot" in the sense that he has no idea what he is talking about, he has know idea who he is talking to, and thus resorts to projecting negativity that reveals his insecurity and worse, continues the cycle of negativity in his life.
I'm a proud projector of negativity. I'm an equal opportunity hater, and son of a jackal. I had to have hoove removal surgery at age 3.
you react emotionally without examining the content of my post as usualInsults, in lieu of a clear, civilized reply. Thanks Bruce.
the dependencies i was talking about were as awkward and unfair and imbalanced and arbitrary as any experienced by any welfare client-the bad part of any dependency when youre in the inferior role is that the other party has so much control-why dont you consider that some would rather put govt in that role than trust a greedy businessman?Despite your snide response, I'll reply. The issue here is not being 'dependent' in and of itself. Your strange replies seem to indicate you think I'm saying that the bad part of this is being dependent on something, period. I never said that. Obviously we depend on many things, on a daily basis. We depend on the sun rising every morning. We depend on our cars working, to get us to work. We depend on God (whether one realizes it or not) for our very LIVES. So the issue here isn't being dependent in and of itself, necessarily. This thread is about a mentality that is self-defeating, hopeless, negative, and because of that mentality, fully depending on the government as one's provider, rather than working and living up to one's full potential.
there are businessman who take the welfare of their employees seriously-if there werent id be in desparate trouble-but its obvious youre not aware of any such distinction-the welfare system sucks-but it sucks because the govt wont take more responsibility
obviously asking you to consder some things youve never read about in your Bflat right wing political tracts sint cutting it-thats waht im doing here..i like working -i have to fght to keep my job-my boss goes to hr all the time and they tell him "no you cant fire him for being slower and weaker because of his heatlh problems" if it werent for the govt i wouldnt be able to keep my job-i know youre still not going to see this...So now that we're (hopefully) on the same page here, are you still going to equate working hard at a JOB with generational welfare? Do you realize how inane that is? If for some bizarre reason you actually believe that, you're going to have to do a much better job of defending your position, because insulting me while simultaeneously saying something so ridiculous doesn't cut it.
im made many threads in the past defending capitalism; bemoaning our crappy welfare system-deploring Carter-why on earth do you think the lefties never back me up? you just dont read em-if you cant fight me you dont want to post..Ok, I'm glad to hear you don't have something against all successful people. I was just calling it as I saw it - you seemed to be making some big generalizations, much like Ganja did, and you do have a lot of anger in general... even more this year, it seems, than you did in the past.
i think youre a young woman buying a bill of goods from soem naive and soem unethical people who are a threat to our way of life-no im not wrong about taht...As for the last sentence in your above comment - I have told you straight out that I don't understand you sometimes. Your posts baffle me sometimes. And you clearly don't understand me sometimes, even though you seem to think you do.
obviously youre applying the passage to rich people-it isnt anger-its reading comprehensionWHOA, hold on, hold on. I never said or thought that that passage was about material things. (Or soley about material things) You're making a wrong assumption, and you're reacting with anger again and knee-jerk emotion.
how nasty to frame your argument that way!! im defending lazy people? do you know how many people dont know where to turn? whohas the welfare system where it is? isnt it the republicans as well as the democrats? isit ithe republicans who resist more vigorous funding for social prgrams that might more thoroughly meet the needs of the poor? Europe does a better job meeting those needs and its expensive-and they do incur some difficulties-but nowhere in the wolrd do you see as large a group of idle people living on the dole as in this country..the right wing has as muihc repsonsiblity as the left..The same principle applies - whether it is about money, leadership, a task, or any responsibility. The point is, when God gives us certain things, it is up to us to be good stewards, and be responsible for what we are given, and if we do well with those things (whatever that might be) and we multiply them, then God will reward that, and give us MORE. But if we sit on our butts and do nothing, or if we have a negative, hopeless, distrustful attitude, and instead of mutliplying what we started with, lose it or keep it the same (as in the parable of the talents), God does not reward that. God doesn't want us to be lazy, negative, unwise or unthankful for what we DO have.
"promotion comes not from the north the south the east or the west but from the Lord thy God" i work hard -youre pissing me off by implying i dont and the people i care for work hard trying to survive-trying to find a stable situation-they need soemone to maek the bosses responsible and accountable to their employees-if we had that we might not even need a welfare system-your gop wont even examine workers rightsIf you disagree with anything I just said, then back yourself up scripturally. If you think that being responsible and diligent and multiplying what we have is unGodly...and sitting on our butts with a negative attitude IS Godly, then please - show me the scriptures that say that. I'll wait
it was mischievous for me to do that-hes a hateful little gremlin-he just seemed to fit in hereAnd how on earth did Snouter get dragged into this?
because you intended it personallyWhy would you take my bringing up the parable of the talents so personally?
because thats waht youre sayingAnd where on earth did you even remotely get the idea that I said that people with wealth are loved more by God or are morally superior?
by all means pray for me-but know this-i decided years ago that i would work with the poor and take on their burdens-i do wonder about this and even regret this at times-but it was a concious decision-if die fighting for the poor-even if i have only the meagrest of victories to point to ill feel like i did soemthgin goodYou're pulling ridiculous assumptions out of your you-know-what left and right that couldn't be farther from the truth. Please - no more strawmen or misunderstanding. If you are not sure about what I said, then simply ask me. I seemed to have touched a nerve with you... If you don't mind me saying so, you seem to have an unresolved issue that has something to do with your economic condition. I don't know what it is, but I'll pray for you.
you dont know Trump then-hes shown some real concern for the poor=a real awareness of their existence which is a fk of a lot more than DrPaul has ever done-yes hes a bad man -hes not always honest and his closet isnt clean-but he doesnt play the "saint" now does he?Your replies are getting more and more bizarre. "My" mealy mouthed materialism? You're actually saying that I'm materialistic? And that Donald Trump isn't?Bruce, if you think that I am materialistic, then you really don't know me at all. And that is sad, because I thought we were friends. I won't even bother to defend myself, because your insult here is so lame. And if you think Trump is not into materialism... I don't know, maybe I don't know that much about him, but the name "Trump" doesn't bring to mind an ascetic, devoutly religious, 'simple life' kind of person.
my anger towards you is limited by my understanding that youre an intellectual and you dont know waht kind of evil youre supporting. there is more to life than is dreamt of in your philosophy horatio..You clearly have a lot of anger towards not only your political opponents in general, but with me (sadly), and I now seem to be on your list of eeeevil righties who are the enemy. I hope that's not the case, but after that insult-filled, condescending post, that's sure how it looks
tired of your extremism
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Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature.... Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
- H Keller
Project much? That's exactly what you did in your post yesterday. I did examine the content of your post, and as usual, it was as unclear as muddy water... but unlike you, I am trying to get to the bottom of what you are actually saying, rather than make false accusations and create strawmen based on false assumptions. Your latest post was extrememly unfair and uncalled for, and just to let you know - people who tell me what I'm saying (how arrogant can you get?) and debate dishonestly usually end up on my ignore list, and I don't want to do that to you, because I thought we were friends, but apparently you see no problem in dishonestly and arrogantly telling ME what I'm saying, rather than actually listening and engaging in a civilized debate.Originally Posted by fat mike
You're still not making any sense. I don't want to keep going in circles here, but if you want to have a discussion, please defend your position that working hard at a job and generational welfare are the same thing. Please explain it clearly, and instead of going off into other topics, focus, and explain that (if that is indeed what you believe. If that is not what you believe, then please explain yourself clearly, because that sure as hell sounds like what you're trying to say, unbelievably.)the dependencies i was talking about were as awkward and unfair and imbalanced and arbitrary as any experienced by any welfare client-the bad part of any dependency when youre in the inferior role is that the other party has so much control-why dont you consider that some would rather put govt in that role than trust a greedy businessman?
there are businessman who take the welfare of their employees seriously-if there werent id be in desparate trouble-but its obvious youre not aware of any such distinction-the welfare system sucks-but it sucks because the govt wont take more responsibility
What does any of that have to do with what we were talking about? This thread is not about the government, it's about a mental attitude. If you want to defend the government, that's Ok. But you're dancing around the topic, and not explaining yourself very well.obviously asking you to consder some things youve never read about in your Bflat right wing political tracts sint cutting it-thats waht im doing here..i like working -i have to fght to keep my job-my boss goes to hr all the time and they tell him "no you cant fire him for being slower and weaker because of his heatlh problems" if it werent for the govt i wouldnt be able to keep my job-i know youre still not going to see this...
I don't read every thread you post on. But again, as I said to Ganja, this thread isn't about capitalism, or even about the welfare system. It's about a state of mind, and I'm not interested in debating capitalism vs communism on this thread, I'm asking you to defend your (apparent) claim that a generational mindset of "I can't win, everyone is out to get me, so I'll just not work" is the same as someone who works hard at a job and tries to live up to their full potential. Still waiting for you to explain how those 2 things are the same thing.im made many threads in the past defending capitalism; bemoaning our crappy welfare system-deploring Carter-why on earth do you think the lefties never back me up? you just dont read em-if you cant fight me you dont want to post..
I'll ignore the condenscending tone, but FYI, I'm not a naive little idiot, and I'm not even that young. I just don't agree with your politics, and frankly I don't even think I'm correctly understanding your politics, because the other day you told me that you support big businesses over small businesess (or something like that) which again makes no sense to me. It sounds like you want the NWO, which will be the worst of both worlds - a blend of corporatism and socialism. (fascism, basically.) If that is not what you want, then please explain your political views clearly, and set the record straight.i think youre a young woman buying a bill of goods from soem naive and soem unethical people who are a threat to our way of life-no im not wrong about taht...
No, no, no, NO! Stop assuming, and putting words in my mouth. That is not what I'm saying, and I even explained my position in my 2nd post, yet you're still misrepresenting me. We're talking about an ATTITUDE, and BEHAVIOR. The "talents" in the passage can apply to any number of things, whether its money, resources, giftings/abilities that God gives us, a task or responsibility, a leadership role, etc, etc. Since you obviously have some weird, bizarre sore spot when it comes to money, let's look at that passage again, and we can plug in any item, because as I said, the principle remains the same! So let's look at it this way:obviously youre applying the passage to rich people-it isnt anger-its reading comprehension
God gives us certain abilities or giftings/talents. Let's say we have 2 people. They're both musicians with a wonderful God-given talent for creating beautiful music. Person A is thankful for that talent and wants to please God, so he practices his music, he gets even better, and he USES that talent in a positive way - let's say he writes and creates songs that will inspire people and lead them to God. Meanwhile, Person B has a different attitude. He doesn't seem to appreciate what he has been given, and he doesn't think that he should go out on a limb and use that musical talent he has been given (because that might be too difficult or risky) so instead, he takes the easy way out and decides to go on welfare, and not practice or hone his talent.... so Person B slowly loses his ability to play the guitar, or sing, or whatever. Meanwhile, Person A has increased his talent and has used it in a positive way, and has pleased God.
Ok, now do you understand how I'm applying that parable? The important part is not what the 'talent' is, but the ATTITUDE and behavior of the person. Now are you still going to lie and mispresent me by telling me what I'm saying, rather than listening to the point I'm trying to make?
Please point out where I said you were defending lazy people. I'll wait. You are so touchy and you clearly have a sore spot here, and you are seeing a boogieman behind every bush.how nasty to frame your argument that way!! im defending lazy people?
You're missing or ignoring the point again. This is not about the welfare system. OF COURSE there are many poor people who struggle and need help. That isn't what this is about. Focus, Bruce. Focus. This is about a mental attitude that SOME people have, that is a negative, overly-suspicious, defeatist attitude. Don't keep changing the subject, either address it or let's just end this discussion.do you know how many people dont know where to turn? whohas the welfare system where it is? isnt it the republicans as well as the democrats? isit ithe republicans who resist more vigorous funding for social prgrams that might more thoroughly meet the needs of the poor? Europe does a better job meeting those needs and its expensive-and they do incur some difficulties-but nowhere in the wolrd do you see as large a group of idle people living on the dole as in this country..the right wing has as muihc repsonsiblity as the left..
What???"promotion comes not from the north the south the east or the west but from the Lord thy God" i work hard -youre pissing me off by implying i dont and the people i care for work hard trying to survive-trying to find a stable situation-they need soemone to maek the bosses responsible and accountable to their employees-if we had that we might not even need a welfare system-your gop wont even examine workers rightsWhere on earth did you get that I said you don't work hard? This isn't about you! You are miles away from the actual topic, somewhere out in left field, taking this all wrong. This has nothing to do with you, but since you brought it up - I know you work hard, and I know you have physical struggles that other people don't have. Now, let's get back to the actual topic. And again, stop reacting so emotionally and taking every thing I say personally when it has nothing to do with you at all.
He posts like that mostly tongue-in-cheek. He is not a horrible person. I know that first-hand. Not that this has anything to do with the topic, but I could give you examples of things that Jim has done that were extremely kind, generous and thoughtful. But anyway, let's move on...it was mischievous for me to do that-hes a hateful little gremlin-he just seemed to fit in here
That is a big fat lie. LIE. I did not intend this to be about you at all, and if you think that, you need psychological help. Now stop telling me what I am saying or what I intended, that is not only arrogant and uncalled for, but it's something I don't tolerate. People who do that end up in Ignoresville. Dishonest debaters end up there too.because you intended it personally
More lying. I NEVER said, thought or even implied that God loves rich people more or that rich people are morally superior - and if that is what you honestly think, then you have lost your freakin mind. (excuse the bluntness, but your inane statements call for it.)because thats waht youre saying
One more time, the parable of the talents demonstrates an ATTITUDE that God wants us to have. It is a positive attitude, a trusting attitude, and it about being productive and USING what we have in a way that will grow it, multiply it, not bury it in a hole. The parable clearly shows that God is pleased by that positive, productive mindset. God does not like when we throw away our God-given talents/abilities/giftings, and stagnate as people. Now please listen to what I'm saying rather than making more false accusations.
I know that you care a lot about the poor, and I have given you props for that. (remember this?) This is not about you. One more time. This is not about you. Please repeat that 10 more times, or however many times it will take for that to sink in.by all means pray for me-but know this-i decided years ago that i would work with the poor and take on their burdens-i do wonder about this and even regret this at times-but it was a concious decision-if die fighting for the poor-even if i have only the meagrest of victories to point to ill feel like i did soemthgin good
If for some bizarre reason, you THINK this is about you, then perhaps that is something you need to take a look at within yourself? Because I sure as hell didn't intend to touch a nerve with you.
You are a horrible judge of character if you think Ron Paul is evil. He is one of the few people in politics who actually cares about christian principles. He just doesn't see GOVERNMENT as the answer to the problems, as YOU do. You make the same mistake that some other leftists make - you think that if a person doesn't view government as the solution, that must mean they don't care or don't believe there are other ways to help a situation. That is where you're wrong.you dont know Trump then-hes shown some real concern for the poor=a real awareness of their existence which is a fk of a lot more than DrPaul has ever done-yes hes a bad man -hes not always honest and his closet isnt clean-but he doesnt play the "saint" now does he?
I'm not supporting any evil. But all of this is off topic anyway. This was never supposed to be about the welfare system (and I never even stated my position on that) or capitalism, or whatever. There are plenty of other threads going on right now discussing those things. I wanted this to just be a discussion about a certain mindset. You have mostly either ignored that or have twisted that into trying to equate the 'captive mentality' described in the thread with a positive attitude of being productive and using one's God-given talents in a way that will increase them.my anger towards you is limited by my understanding that youre an intellectual and you dont know waht kind of evil youre supporting. there is more to life than is dreamt of in your philosophy horatio..
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And if you want it, come and get it... for crying out loud!
'cause this love that he has given you was never in doubt.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head and feel it now.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head, feel it now...
What exactly is materialistic about expecting people to work and support themselves and their families? Living off welfare and not trying to improve your life is simply slothful and yes it's lazy. I know a single mom who lived off welfare for a short time. She went to college and has very good job now and she fully supports her children since the dad is a deadbeat. Welfare should be a short time fix, not a way of life. Bottom line is it's about personal choice and responsibility. I'm not completely against welfare being used to help people short term if they lose a job and can't get food on the table or pay rent. What our system has become is a way for people to get something for nothing.
Lulu fro mawd.
(I like your posts, even if we disagree on certain topics, your posts are always reasonable and clear.)
And if you want it, come and get it... for crying out loud!
'cause this love that he has given you was never in doubt.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head and feel it now.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head, feel it now...
my thoughts were delivered in a challenging tone-but not a hateful one-but i wont hold you responsible for "hearing" a dffferent emphasis than i intended=im not that capable a writer and im very emotional about this stuff
youre making distinctions between the govt and the employer-you tell me why theres that significant a difference? i think my work should entitle me to a more dignified position than a welfare recipient-but does it? heck no-im treated like a common criminal -im treated like the good i do doesnt matter and the bad i do is about to win me a pink slip...if you cant think like a bird youll never see why it doesnt matter if youre killed by a dog or a cat..You're still not making any sense. I don't want to keep going in circles here, but if you want to have a discussion, please defend your position that working hard at a job and generational welfare are the same thing. Please explain it clearly, and instead of going off into other topics, focus, and explain that (if that is indeed what you believe. If that is not what you believe, then please explain yourself clearly, because that sure as hell sounds like what you're trying to say, unbelievably.)
i have to appeal to the govt to stay employed? you think thats off topic? im only allowed to defend the welfare system? the democrats care soemthgin about the wiorkers rights and the gop clearly doesnt..What does any of that have to do with what we were talking about? This thread is not about the government, it's about a mental attitude. If you want to defend the government, that's Ok. But you're dancing around the topic, and not explaining yourself very well.
ok when i explain this stuff in pms to you-over and over again i have to wonder why it never comes homeI don't read every thread you post on. But again, as I said to Ganja, this thread isn't about capitalism, or even about the welfare system. It's about a state of mind, and I'm not interested in debating capitalism vs communism on this thread, I'm asking you to defend your (apparent) claim that a generational mindset of "I can't win, everyone is out to get me, so I'll just not work" is the same as someone who works hard at a job and tries to live up to their full potential. Still waiting for you to explain how those 2 things are the same thing.
youre accusing those on welfare of " "I can't win, everyone is out to get me, so I'll just not work" ? welfare is almost always for a limited term-so those on the dole are wandering back and forth between being humilitated by mean employers and mean bureaucrats...live up to their potential? do modern jobs stretch people? do they increase their range? do they teach them anything? arent they really a series a mind numbing repetitive tasks any chimp could perform because these bastards have figured out how to reduce their labour to minimal expectations-you know you cant hold your own against an experienced laborer unless you find out what these pigs are doing to us...
you have a very distinctive resume-i marvel at it and i even respect it in a way-but im not going to say it gives you much of an insight into the emotional well being of the common man-id never call you an idiot -id bew far more likely to call you "Princess"-and thats ok-i dont look down on topsy like these other jerks for her paucity of experience and i dont look down on you either-im glad you havent had to deal with the crap the women on my level have had to-i grieve that they doI'll ignore the condenscending tone, but FYI, I'm not a naive little idiot, and I'm not even that young. I just don't agree with your politics, and frankly I don't even think I'm correctly understanding your politics, because the other day you told me that you support big businesses over small businesess (or something like that) which again makes no sense to me. It sounds like you want the NWO, which will be the worst of both worlds - a blend of corporatism and socialism. (fascism, basically.) If that is not what you want, then please explain your political views clearly, and set the record straight.
small businesses are terrible for a man who lives in the dirty south and the small businessowners are smnall minded scumbag bigots who expect everyone to be soem version of foxworthys craphead..yes i embrace big business and yes i embrace govt-i embrace anything that gives me a chance to fight for my dignity
i know the actual intent of the passage-your use of it in this context-when im questioning the stature of the"successful"-let me say here:Lazarus was not successful-he suffered his whole life and yet he was comforted in the after life-youd humiliate him by saying he failed?No, no, no, NO! Stop assuming, and putting words in my mouth. That is not what I'm saying, and I even explained my position in my 2nd post, yet you're still misrepresenting me. We're talking about an ATTITUDE, and BEHAVIOR. The "talents" in the passage can apply to any number of things, whether its money, resources, giftings/abilities that God gives us, a task or responsibility, a leadership role, etc, etc. Since you obviously have some weird, bizarre sore spot when it comes to money, let's look at that passage again, and we can plug in any item, because as I said, the principle remains the same!
im a person who has failed a lot too-i cant say ill ever succeed-i hope i do-but waht if noone vnere understandsme? what if i have nothing but snouters clones too fkn stupid to understand anythgin outside their pissy experince reading me or listeining to me?
what if the only people i can reach are all poor and cant help me? you tihnk
God wont honor my work? i think God honors my work and helps me do waht i do-but im not in the papers-im not a success...i wont love Him any less if He never gives me more than what i have but you need "to recognize" like the brothers say
its a little galling that you might think i wouldnt know how to interptret that text but ill let it passSo let's look at it this way:
God gives us certain abilities or giftings/talents. Let's say we have 2 people. They're both musicians with a wonderful God-given talent for creating beautiful music. Person A is thankful for that talent and wants to please God, so he practices his music, he gets even better, and he USES that talent in a positive way - let's say he writes and creates songs that will inspire people and lead them to God. Meanwhile, Person B has a different attitude. He doesn't seem to appreciate what he has been given, and he doesn't think that he should go out on a limb and use that musical talent he has been given (because that might be too difficult or risky) so instead, he takes the easy way out and decides to go on welfare, and not practice or hone his talent.... so Person B slowly loses his ability to play the guitar, or sing, or whatever. Meanwhile, Person A has increased his talent and has used it in a positive way, and has pleased God.
im not sure waht kind of geometry i need to perform to demonstrate it was natural to assume you were defnding rich people but ill bet im not the only one whod see it that wayOk, now do you understand how I'm applying that parable? The important part is not what the 'talent' is, but the ATTITUDE and behavior of the person. Now are you still going to lie and mispresent me by telling me what I'm saying, rather than listening to the point I'm trying to make?
youre not making the opposition good/rich vs bad lazy? well shut my mouth...Please point out where I said you were defending lazy people. I'll wait. You are so touchy and you clearly have a sore spot here, and you are seeing a boogieman behind every bush.
youre really overblowing this-im not taking tyhat much offense at what youre saying-i tihnk that i demonstrated that with what i wrote above..^^^You're missing or ignoring the point again. This is not about the welfare system. OF COURSE there are many poor people who struggle and need help. That isn't what this is about. Focus, Bruce. Focus. This is about a mental attitude that SOME people have, that is a negative, overly-suspicious, defeatist attitude. Don't keep changing the subject, either address it or let's just end this discussion.
anyone who encounters this stuff everyday is going to feel defensiveWhat???
im sure you believe that-if was wrong about snouter itd hardly be the worse sin im guilty of-but i dont think im wrongHe posts like that mostly tongue-in-cheek. He is not a horrible person. I know that first-hand. Not that this has anything to do with the topic, but I could give you examples of things that Jim has done that were extremely kind, generous and thoughtful. But anyway, let's move on...
i belong to a group of people you have unkind thoughts about-it isnt dishonest for me to say that-you might not realize i belong to that group or maybe im actually really misunderstanding somethign here but im not being dishonest..That is a big fat lie. LIE. I did not intend this to be about you at all, and if you think that, you need psychological help. Now stop telling me what I am saying or what I intended, that is not only arrogant and uncalled for, but it's something I don't tolerate. People who do that end up in Ignoresville. Dishonest debaters end up there too.
people that belong to MY denomination actually come out and say it-i dont exactly think youre quite guilty of that-you come close to saying stuff like that but i think its because youre not thinking things through..More lying. I NEVER said, thought or even implied that God loves rich people more or that rich people are morally superior - and if that is what you honestly think, then you have lost your freakin mind. (excuse the bluntness, but your inane statements call for it.)
i really love that passage-what i take away from it is that its better to take a chance on a bad bet than do nothing-i don't like what youre doing to it...One more time, the parable of the talents demonstrates an ATTITUDE that God wants us to have. It is a positive attitude, a trusting attitude, and it about being productive and USING what we have in a way that will grow it, multiply it, not bury it in a hole. The parable clearly shows that God is pleased by that positive, productive mindset. God does not like when we throw away our God-given talents/abilities/giftings, and stagnate as people. Now please listen to what I'm saying rather than making more false accusations.
.I know that you care a lot about the poor, and I have given you props for that. (remember this?) This is not about you. One more time. This is not about you. Please repeat that 10 more times, or however many times it will take for that to sink in
please dont repeat it
ive seen all kinds of ugliness and weakness within-youre not touching a nerve-youre attacking people i care about-they make mistakes-but oh wellIf for some bizarre reason, you THINK this is about you, then perhaps that is something you need to take a look at within yourself? Because I sure as hell didn't intend to touch a nerve with you.
i have no faith in that man. hes trying to change the game mid stream and hes riding a wave of grass roots bigotry...but in the end it govt wont save usYou are a horrible judge of character if you think Ron Paul is evil. He is one of the few people in politics who actually cares about christian principles. He just doesn't see GOVERNMENT as the answer to the problems, as YOU do. You make the same mistake that some other leftists make - you think that if a person doesn't view government as the solution, that must mean they don't care or don't believe there are other ways to help a situation. That is where you're wrong.
and it wont destroy us
main street nor wall street has shown not even the slightest inclination of trying to discover any nascent abilities in the population-they hire the stupid and give promotions to the most stupid of the stupid-you want to undo the slave mentality? undertake to establish a meritocracy..I'm not supporting any evil. But all of this is off topic anyway. This was never supposed to be about the welfare system (and I never even stated my position on that) or capitalism, or whatever. There are plenty of other threads going on right now discussing those things. I wanted this to just be a discussion about a certain mindset. You have mostly either ignored that or have twisted that into trying to equate the 'captive mentality' described in the thread with a positive attitude of being productive and using one's God-given talents in a way that will increase them.
this gop idea that slashing all the programs will make poeple diligent and frugal and productive is stupid-its not your fault its stupid.the only thing thats your fault is that you dont question it-i dont see Paul saying anythign different-btw
tired of your extremism
+10
I would love to find the breakdown of how various forms of assistance are being used,by whom,for how long. It is multi-generational assistance that annoys me and it is out there.
Bruce - thanks for taking the time to reply point by point. We're still not really getting very far here in our discussion, but.. I'm sorry if I was too hard on you in my last post. You insulted me, and it pissed me off that you were putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my position. You're still seeing this the way you want to see it, rather than addressing what I'm actually saying, which is frustrating.
But anyway, I don't want this to continue to be ugly like that. I can't reply point by point right now because I have to get off this computer soon, but I'll try to reply later.
And if you want it, come and get it... for crying out loud!
'cause this love that he has given you was never in doubt.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head and feel it now.
Let go of your heart, let go of your head, feel it now...
i was a little insulting-but like i say you were overblowing that..youre attacking people who are stuck.
i wanted you to see how little difference it made -we're only choosing the manner in which we're being humilitated..i guess that point wasnt clear..
but a tip if you ever want to take it farther than debate if you ever want to "reach" these wefare prisoners don't defend people they dont like-they dont like those jackasses because they know damn well those people dont like them
tired of your extremism
F. Mike, now that we all know you are content being a slave to jealousy, what other sins besides being wrong about me are you guilty of?
im not jealous of you or anyone else punk
tired of your extremism
No one is attacking anyone Mike. This is a damn political forum for discussion and debate about manhy issues. Geesh.
i know you dislike me -but im not stupid that jerk stays attacking me-not that i care much-the fact you dont see just shows that youre used to that level of discourse aned dont know any better..
tired of your extremism
I am not sure who or what you are talking about of even if this post was directed at me.
What I see and do not see is not known by you Mike since you are NOT me. Why do you make this so personal? It is a discussion about slave mentality and wealth etc... This has nothing to do with you and your world on or offline.
Šñøü†ê® (04-13-2011)
OK, why did JoJO cross the road?
people who see politics as some kind of game are destructive
tired of your extremism
Guys, for me can we all just try to get along with FM? He's not a TT. If I could find peace with Optimus, Ponycar, and Ganga surely you can do the same with FM? Pretty please, with freaking sugar on top?
GanjaFreebird (04-14-2011)
youre a cool guy 86..
tired of your extremism
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