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Yeah, like ID, it doesn't say anything of its own very often, just says, "Darwinism doesn't make sense to us, ergo it's wrong!" and then they complain when it's not taken seriously.Originally Posted by TopsyTurvy
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Yeah, like ID, it doesn't say anything of its own very often, just says, "Darwinism doesn't make sense to us, ergo it's wrong!" and then they complain when it's not taken seriously.
As do many evolutionists. These things go both ways.
No one's saying anything about the theory of everything . It's obvious that we don't know squat compared to what can actually be known.
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Another thing that baffles me about the whole abiogenesis/creation 'argument' is they categorically state that life can't come from rocks yet to them it's perfectly logical that Adam sprung to life from dirt.
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Not everyone who questions how life evolved from non life believes in Adam and Eve. I fall into that category and plainly acknowledge that I have no clue whatsoever how or why intelligent life got started.
I also don't believe that anyone really knows beyond a reasonable doubt.
We're finding things over the last few years alone that are calling much of what we believe about human history fall into question; especially where the timeline between primitive; 'stone age" man and intelligent, creative man is concerned.
We're finding things archeologically that just shouldn't be there according to the conventional wisdom and consensus of the last 40 or 50 years. They're way too advanced for the time period.
There's one site where they found a series of concentric rings with elaborately carved stone pillars with animal carvings on them. That's not too big a deal until you look at how long they've been there. They're so old that at the time they were built, we were supposed to have been living in caves and unable to even farm yet.
As I mentioned before, it's becoming more and more obvious that we're missing a huge part of our own ancient history. It's also hard to connect the dots.
If we were to dig up some evidence that showed some primitive people using stone tools, that doesn't mean that EVERYONE on earth was at that level at that time. Recent discoveries are showing that we've been wrong in the past and we'll likely be wrong again.
I wish we DID know more though. It would answer lotsa' questions for many people.
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jwreck (12-17-2010)
I agree we can't know for certain how life started, we can make educated, scientifically scrutinized, peer reviewed 'guesses'. Guesses is probably the wrong word but I don't know how else to put it. The creationist diatribe regarding evolution and the premise that what we don't know is because 'God did it' is close minded, anti-progress and defeatist. An example of this is touched on in the video I posted, saying intelligent life can't come from single celled organisms is like saying flying to the Moon is impossible because the Wright brothers didn't do it.
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Jesus Christ. Betrade, really.
Evolutionists think that the theory of evolution is a theory of everything? Now I know you're full of shit.
jmarley60 (12-17-2010)
There are people of many extremes in every group.
That's just a fact; not BS. Some people think they can explain almost anything.That doesn't mean a majority but there are all kinds of people who believe all kinds of things.
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I get the impression that I fall into the "God did it" category.
If so, you're misreading me. All I'm saying is I don't know for sure and some fairly recent discoveries regarding our history seem to point out that we're probably missing a huge chunk of it; which may change the overall timeline of human development.
That's not outlandish or anything. It just is what it is.
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Show me one person who supports the theory of evolution who thinks it explains the origin of the universe, of matter, of the planet Earth, of the laws of physics, etc.
It's not going to change human development to 6000 years ago. It's not going to say that humans are special in that they didn't evolve from a previous species.
Uh oh. Panzer is gonna be mad at you. Theories are not guesses dontcha know.
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There are no theories of how life started.Uh oh. Panzer is gonna be mad at you. Theories are not guesses dontcha know.
Who ever said it would??
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Codes, Programs, and Information 3
Life contains matter, energy, and information (e).
e. How can we measure information? A computer file might contain information for printing a story, reproducing a picture at a given resolution, or producing a widget to specified tolerances. Information can usually be compressed to some degree, just as the English language could be compressed by eliminating every “u” that directly follows a “q”. If compression could be accomplished to the maximum extent possible (eliminating all redundancies and unnecessary information), the number of bits (0s or 1s) would be a measure of the information needed to produce the story, picture, or widget.
Each living system can be described by its age and the information stored in its DNA. Each basic unit of DNA, called a nucleotide, can be one of four types. Therefore, each nucleotide represents two (log24 = 2) bits of information. Conceptual systems, such as ideas, a filing system, or a system for betting on race horses, can be explained in books. Several bits of information can define each symbol in these books. The number of bits of information, after compression, needed to duplicate and achieve the purpose of a system will be defined as its information content. That number is also a measure of the system’s complexity.
Objects and organisms are not information. Each is a complex combination of matter and energy that the proper equipment—and information—could theoretically produce. Matter and energy alone cannot produce complex objects, living organisms, or information.
While we may not know the precise amount of information in different organisms, we do know those numbers are enormous and quite different. Simply changing (mutating) a few bits to begin the gigantic leap toward evolving a new organ or organism would likely kill the host.
“Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day.” Norbert Wiener, Cybernetics; or, Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine, 2nd edition (Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Press, 1948), p. 132.
Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3×10^24 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries. [See Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 2nd edition (Bielefeld, Germany: CLV, 2000), p. 88.]
[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown
http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1050369]
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There is no more information in DNA than there was in the individual atoms that make it up.
The facts of science prove you wrong.
Truth Frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.
All is theory,no facts to back any of it up.
My DNAs common sense tells me that matter and atoms is not all there is to life.Theres something else we don't know about.
Theres some facts for ya!
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