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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen View Post
    The piss poor "design" of the human eye.

    I challenge you do to better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen View Post
    Recurrent Laryngeal Nerve
    The piss poor "design" of the human eye.
    The human back.

    We can go on. Life shows that things are not intelligently designed but instead show a history of evolution, with things "stuck" with their historical past and just having to make do with that history, something which intelligent design would not be stuck with. Jet planes aren't stuck with props. Jet airlines aren't stuck with biplane wings. Why? Because they were intelligently designed. Life though does show "jet planes with props".
    During the 1960s and 70s some medical scientists developed the idea that back problems could be treated through adoption of an unnatural posture. This was a result of the evolutionary assumption that the human spine was an imperfect design, still in the process of evolving from four-footed animals to bipedal human beings. Dr Paul Williams[2] developed flexion exercises on this basis to reverse or reduce the lordosis curve in the lower back. This proved to be the wrong treatment with sufferers continuing in pain.

    Later research by Robin McKenzie[3] showed that the shape of the spine is a natural design for upright posture, and maintaining the lordosis curve improved the health of sufferers. Treatments have more recently been developed that support the perfectly designed lordosis curve, and recognition of perfect human design has proven medical benefits.[4]
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    It is often claimed that the human retina is poorly designed because it appears to be placed in the eye backwards. Its design, therefore, requires that light travel through the nerves and blood vessels to reach the photoreceptor cells located behind the eye’s wiring. We now know that specific functional reasons exist for this so-called backward placement of the photoreceptors. A major reason for the retina reversal is that it allows the rods and cones to interact with the retinal pigment epithelial cells that provide nutrients to the retina, recycle photopigments, provide an opaque layer to absorb excessive light, and perform other functions. This design is superior to other systems, because it allows close association with the pigmented epithelium required to maintain the photoreceptors. It is also critical in both the development and normal function of the retina.
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    A common claim by evolutionists is that the human body is poorly designed, which to them is evidence that it was not intelligently designed, but rather cobbled together by the unintelligent process of evolution. One of the most frequent examples of poor design cited by evolutionists today is the recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN), which controls the mammalian larynx (voice box) muscles. Paleontologist Donald Prothero wrote that examples of "poor or at least very puzzling design can be accumulated endlessly," thus proving evolution, with one of the best examples being "the recurrent laryngeal nerve, which connects the brain to the larynx and allows us to speak."


    Human-designed devices, such as radios and computers, do not need to function until their assembly is complete. By contrast, living organisms must function to a high degree in order to thrive during every developmental stage from a single-cell zygote to adult. The embryo as a whole must be a fully functioning system in its specific environment during every second of its entire development. For this reason, adult anatomy can be understood only in the light of development. An analogy Blechschmidt uses to help elucidate this fact is the course of a river, which "cannot be explained on the basis of a knowledge of its sources, its tributaries, or the specific locations of the harbors at its mouth. It is only the total topographical circumstances that determine the river's course."

    Arguing that the left RLN is poorly designed implies that God should have used different embryo developmental trajectories for all the structures involved to avoid looping the left RLN around the aorta. One who asserts that the RLN is a poor design assumes that a better design exists, a claim that cannot be asserted unless an alternative embryonic design from fertilized ovum to fetus--including all the incalculable molecular gradients, triggers, cascades, and anatomical twists and tucks--can be proposed that documents an improved design. Lacking this information, the "poor design" claim uses evolution to fill in gaps in our knowledge. Furthermore, any alternative embryonic design pathway would likely result in its own unique set of constraints, also giving the false impression of poor design.
    The left recurrent laryngeal nerve is not poorly designed, but rather is clear evidence of intelligent design:
    Much evidence exists that the present design results from developmental constraints.
    There are indications that this design serves to fine-tune laryngeal functions.
    The nerve serves to innervate other organs after it branches from the vagus on its way to the larynx.
    The design provides backup innervation to the larynx in case another nerve is damaged.
    No evidence exists that the design causes any disadvantage.
    The arguments presented by evolutionists are both incorrect and have discouraged research into the specific reasons for the existing design.

    Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.

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    Your logic seems flawed to me. Pointing out scientists who have been wrong in the past does not, in any way, invalidate science. Posing that "if language evolved, than languages must become simpler" is nonsense. What evolved was the ability to communicate using language. As that ability became more adept, the language did not require as much complexity.
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    Pahu, if you typed your own arguments instead of constantly and obviously copying and pasting from other sources I'd respect you more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopsyTurvy View Post
    Pahu, if you typed your own arguments instead of constantly and obviously copying and pasting from other sources I'd respect you more.
    Why do you prefer my ignorant opinions over facts from those who know what they are saying? Perhaps I am easier to refute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahu View Post
    Why do you prefer my ignorant opinions over facts from those who know what they are saying? Perhaps I am easier to refute.
    You haven't posted a 'fact' yet.
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    Yes, all you've posted is the same fucking retarded bullshit that has been refuted by actual REAL scientists for decades, but creatards are too dumb fucking ignorant to find another argument and so they stick with it. Creatards are as stupid as the dumb fuck flat earthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier Tremely View Post
    Your logic seems flawed to me. Pointing out scientists who have been wrong in the past does not, in any way, invalidate science.
    I agree, but that also tells me to ALWAYS keep an OPEN mind and to NEVER discount anything based on the fact that science can't explain it yet.

    For instance; when I hear that ghosts can't possibly exist because science hasn't proven they can I have to wonder how so many people put so much FAITH in science.

    I'm not saying that ghosts exist but I also can't discount the possibility based on what science DOESN'T KNOW at this time. The jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. This applies to many things that still baffle us and that we have no way of explaining whatsoever.
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    Speech


    Speech is uniquely human (a). Humans have both a “prewired” brain capable of learning and conveying abstract ideas, and the physical anatomy (mouth, throat, tongue, larynx, etc.) to produce a wide range of sounds. Only a few animals can approximate some human sounds.

    Because the human larynx is low in the neck, a long air column lies above the vocal cords. This helps make vowel sounds. Apes cannot make clear vowel sounds, because they lack this long air column. The back of the human tongue, extending deep into the neck, modulates the airflow to produce consonant sounds. Apes have flat, horizontal tongues, incapable of making consonant sounds (b).

    Even if an ape could evolve all the physical equipment for speech, that equipment would be useless without a “prewired” brain for learning language skills, especially grammar and vocabulary.

    a. Mark P. Cosgrove, The Amazing Body Human (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1987), pp. 106–109.

    “If we are honest, we will face the facts and admit that we can find no evolutionary development to explain our unique speech center [in the human brain].” Ibid., p. 164.

    b. Jeffrey T. Laitman, “The Anatomy of Human Speech,” Natural History, Vol. 93, August 1984, pp. 20–26.

    “Chimpanzees communicate with each other by making vocal sounds just as most mammals do, but they don’t have the capacity for true language, either verbally or by using signs and symbols....Therefore, the speech sound production ability of a chimpanzee vocal tract is extremely limited, because it lacks the ability to produce the segmental contrast of consonants and vowels in a series....I conclude that all of the foregoing basic structural and functional deficiencies of the chimpanzee vocal tract, which interfere or limit the production of speech sounds, also pertain to all of the other nonhuman primates.” Edmund S. Crelin, The Human Vocal Tract (New York: Vantage Press, 1987), p. 83.

    [From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown
    http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1008996]
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    Prewired brain, lol. The rest is laughable too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahu View Post

    Eighteen Factors Disproving Evolution

    Evolution flunks the science test

    Irreducible complexity——Biochemists and microbiologists have discovered that the various components of every living creature in the world are so complicated and interrelated, that it could not function without every one of them. There is no way that some of the parts could have been added later.
    I got this far and stopped reading. Are you focking kidding me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopsyTurvy View Post
    Prewired brain, lol. The rest is laughable too.

    I wouldn't call it laughable at all. I call downright miraculous and I truly believe that all of us should be very thankful that we even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betrade View Post
    I wouldn't call it laughable at all. I call downright miraculous and I truly believe that all of us should be very thankful that we even exist.
    Oh I'm thankful I'm here, thankful that I can learn about the universe we live in and thankful I can laugh at ridiculous creation 'science'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahu View Post

    Speech


    Speech is uniquely human (a). Humans have both a “prewired” brain capable of learning and conveying abstract ideas, and the physical anatomy (mouth, throat, tongue, larynx, etc.) to produce a wide range of sounds. Only a few animals can approximate some human sounds.

    Because the human larynx is low in the neck, a long air column lies above the vocal cords. This helps make vowel sounds. Apes cannot make clear vowel sounds, because they lack this long air column. The back of the human tongue, extending deep into the neck, modulates the airflow to produce consonant sounds. Apes have flat, horizontal tongues, incapable of making consonant sounds (b).

    Even if an ape could evolve all the physical equipment for speech, that equipment would be useless without a “prewired” brain for learning language skills, especially grammar and vocabulary.

    a. Mark P. Cosgrove, The Amazing Body Human (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1987), pp. 106–109.

    “If we are honest, we will face the facts and admit that we can find no evolutionary development to explain our unique speech center [in the human brain].” Ibid., p. 164.

    b. Jeffrey T. Laitman, “The Anatomy of Human Speech,” Natural History, Vol. 93, August 1984, pp. 20–26.

    “Chimpanzees communicate with each other by making vocal sounds just as most mammals do, but they don’t have the capacity for true language, either verbally or by using signs and symbols....Therefore, the speech sound production ability of a chimpanzee vocal tract is extremely limited, because it lacks the ability to produce the segmental contrast of consonants and vowels in a series....I conclude that all of the foregoing basic structural and functional deficiencies of the chimpanzee vocal tract, which interfere or limit the production of speech sounds, also pertain to all of the other nonhuman primates.” Edmund S. Crelin, The Human Vocal Tract (New York: Vantage Press, 1987), p. 83.

    [From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown
    http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1008996]

    Sorry, Apes can since we are apes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen View Post
    Sorry, Apes can since we are apes.
    We ARE primates but we're not apes.

    If you think you're an ape, go ahead, but I'm definitely no ape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betrade View Post
    We ARE primates but we're not apes.

    If you think you're an ape, go ahead, but I'm definitely no ape.
    Humans are in the great ape family, so we are apes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betrade View Post
    We ARE primates but we're not apes.

    If you think you're an ape, go ahead, but I'm definitely no ape.

    Humans are great apes, genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen View Post
    Sorry, Apes can since we are apes.
    Speak for yourself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahu View Post
    Speak for yourself!
    No, I'm speaking for all of humanity. You are an ape.

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