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    God communicates with no one, And if by chance he does have direct lines of "communication", Then he's definitely not listening.

    In my 38 short years, I've noticed that people who claim to communicate with God are usually donning a bomb vest, or a straitjacket.

    Does God exist? Yeah i believe so, I've never met anyone old enough, Nor wise enough to convince me other wise. But anyone claiming to communicate with God probably needs to examine their conscious, And take a loooong hard look in the mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopsyTurvy View Post
    If there is a God and (s)he created the universe, since then it's been left to its own devices. Seeing as no one can prove God exists other than coincidence and personal, untestable experiences then (s)he can't be communicating with people. And anyone who insists they have spoken to God must accept as the truth someone else saying they have communicated with Gandalf or Luke Skywalker.
    I feel no need to prove anything about my own personal faith and journey so in the same vein I ask for no proof about Gandalf or Skywalker or anyone they may want to claim has spoken to them.

    My faith is not in competition with anyone or anything. It serves me well and that is plenty good enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory View Post
    God communicates with no one, And if by chance he does have direct lines of "communication", Then he's definitely not listening.

    In my 38 short years, I've noticed that people who claim to communicate with God are usually donning a bomb vest, or a straight jacket.

    Does God exist? Yeah i believe so, I've never met anyone old enough, Nor wise enough to convince me other wise. But anyone claiming to communicate with God probably needs to examine their conscious, And take a loooong hard look in the mirror.
    Communicate with God? Who knows. I simply know in my desire to find peace I sometimes found it in others and in love. Was that from God? Maybe. Likely. Irrefutable? Hardly.

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    For those who hold to the "I believe in god, only I spell it N-A-T-U-R-E" axiom, that aspect of Animism can manifest in communicative ways. A sunrise, a waterfall, a rainbow or a shooting star can all be interpreted as things that were meant for/a gift to all of humanity. Or for a slightly more detailed version, the spirit of the forest may communicate by favoring the hunt, or via "omens" such as specific animals visiting an individual.


    For those who are more in tune with animalism versus animism, they may see the bear god in a bear, or other similar signs of "communication."

    The term itself, "communication" is such a nebulously defined term that in concert with a loosely defined (and optional) concept such as "god," it becomes an entirely unprovable statement. Anybody can see anything they wish to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamy View Post
    Communicate with God? Who knows. I simply know in my desire to find peace I sometimes found it in others and in love. Was that from God? Maybe. Likely. Irrefutable? Hardly.
    Happenstance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    Well, it would take some time for me to write out a response to your view of God. And I'm also hoping to hear from some of the deists here, because there are some. But like I said, I do want to respond to that... so I will write out the reasons for not agreeing with that view, and post it later.
    Then please write it out as opposed to waiting until others post who have different views of my own. I dislike your tendency to lump vastly different views into the same tiny pile.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster View Post
    For those who hold to the "I believe in god, only I spell it N-A-T-U-R-E" axiom, that aspect of Animism can manifest in communicative ways. A sunrise, a waterfall, a rainbow or a shooting star can all be interpreted as things that were meant for/a gift to all of humanity. Or for a slightly more detailed version, the spirit of the forest may communicate by favoring the hunt, or via "omens" such as specific animals visiting an individual.


    For those who are more in tune with animalism versus animism, they may see the bear god in a bear, or other similar signs of "communication."

    The term itself, "communication" is such a nebulously defined term that in concert with a loosely defined (and optional) concept such as "god," it becomes an entirely unprovable statement. Anybody can see anything they wish to.
    Very well stated.
    Communication really only requires the intent on behalf of a sender to express information to a receiver.
    I dislike animism because it requires this idea of intent to be present, and I dislike that idea when it comes to the only form of God I would be willing to accept.
    It's the basic problem I have with Deism. My view of God is at odds with Deism on a fundamental level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster View Post
    For those who hold to the "I believe in god, only I spell it N-A-T-U-R-E" axiom, that aspect of Animism can manifest in communicative ways. A sunrise, a waterfall, a rainbow or a shooting star can all be interpreted as things that were meant for/a gift to all of humanity. Or for a slightly more detailed version, the spirit of the forest may communicate by favoring the hunt, or via "omens" such as specific animals visiting an individual.


    For those who are more in tune with animalism versus animism, they may see the bear god in a bear, or other similar signs of "communication."

    The term itself, "communication" is such a nebulously defined term that in concert with a loosely defined (and optional) concept such as "god," it becomes an entirely unprovable statement. Anybody can see anything they wish to.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory View Post
    Happenstance.
    Perhaps. But there it is and such is my belief. It need only withstand my own scrutiny since it only applies to my life. The truth shall be revealed one day for me....or not.

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    Between this and the spirituality thread, we happen to be on a kick right now about things I've spent a lot (perhaps too much) time thinking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory View Post
    God communicates with no one
    How do you know that?

    Maybe God's communication with us simply isn't phrased in words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopsyTurvy View Post
    If there is a God and (s)he created the universe, since then it's been left to its own devices. Seeing as no one can prove God exists other than coincidence and personal, untestable experiences then (s)he can't be communicating with people. And anyone who insists they have spoken to God must accept as the truth someone else saying they have communicated with Gandalf or Yoda.
    Ok, your first sentence sums up your answer to the question. In response to the rest of what you said...actually, forget it. I was going to respond, but it's taking the thread in another direction, and I don't want that to happen. You could've stopped after the first sentence. But thanks for your reply.

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    Well lets get right down to the meat and potatoes: Does anyone on this thread/board feel they have direct communication with God? And what i mean by "communication", is a one on one conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster View Post
    Between this and the spirituality thread, we happen to be on a kick right now about things I've spent a lot (perhaps too much) time thinking about.
    I think most people think about these things in their lifetimes and more than once. We simply do not all come to the same conclusions. Anyone looking for right or wrong is a fool imo.

    It gives each of us a snippet into the minds of each other and that is about it.

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    Personally, I think God communicates with me by directing me into new paths of fulfillment and growth, and leading me away from the despair which is common to people in the twilight of life like myself.

    Sometimes through dreams, sometimes through coincidences, sometimes just through my intuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory View Post
    Well lets get right down to the meat and potatoes: Does anyone on this thread/board feel they have direct communication with God? And what i mean by "communication", is a one on one conversation.
    I have not so I will answer no for me....by conversation that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone Ranger View Post
    How do you know that?

    Maybe God's communication with us simply isn't phrased in words.
    He does not know.

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    Vic, you don't believe in Christianity, correct? I know you've said you're a Catholic, which would be christianity of course, but is that just a nominal thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone Ranger View Post
    How do you know that?

    Maybe God's communication with us simply isn't phrased in words.
    How do you know that?
    The OP asked, And I gave my opinion.

    Maybe God's communication with us simply isn't phrased in words.
    It's called communicating with ones own consciousness, And we as humans do it everyday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victory View Post
    The OP asked, And I gave my opinion.



    It's called communicating with ones own consciousness, And we as humans do it everyday...
    Once again simply your opinion. As are all of the posts here. Opinions.

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