Well, sort of. I got engaged last Wednesday. We decided on Tuesday (during Kat's vengeful meltdown that none of us still understand but is somehow totally my fault and totally justified, despite all the negative repercussions it will now have in my life for the next couple of months), that we should get to know each other better. I should be known as more than the crazy guy from Baltimore.
She likes me though, and I was smitten from the moment I saw her. Even have her engagement ring picked out. I plan on surprising her with it either when she comes out here or I go out there again. It's from Tiffany's. It's a sapphire and diamond ring. Sapphire center, with two round diamonds (one on each side). It's an oval sapphire (1.2 karats) and the two diamonds are each .93 karats. It's F-colur, and the clarity is vvs1-vvs2. Platinum band Pretty much one hell of a sweet ring.
I wish Tiffany & Co. had a picture of it online. Alas, they do not. But here's the general idea:
http://www.tiffany.com/expertise/engagement/engagement.aspx?style=three&ring=sapphire

Mine's quite a bit better, and the stones don't look quite so obnoxiously huge. Sapphire is not her birthstone, but it will look majestic on her finger. Even have her ring size.

I also met an awesome Aussie named Daniel. He's Australian, not gay. He was a ton of fun. I went everywhere in the city. Wish I could have done more of it with Kat, but she just started to ignore me. Met a lot of cool people. I want to move out there.
Tom and Ravyn. Two of the coolest, sweetest, honest, most open and down to earth people I've ever met. San Francisco is where it's at for nice folks. The only jerk I met was this lady from Oakland. Complete ****ing bitch. I thought at first, quite honestly, that maybe I had encountered boe, but then I realized that that would be ridiculous. But I had a lot of fun.

And I only have one picture because I didn't bring a camera, and Ravyn, who took all the pictures, lost his phone, and with it, all but this one picture.
It's me, Lacey, and Ravyn. And I'm copping a feel of Ravyn, I know.

I'm glad for you,Lad-good to see you back...are you home?

I'm back at my place.

So you'll be changing the CT?

Oh hell no.
The best part about this girl, she believes that guys can be with married bis. But another girl, and off goes my testicles. Besides, I'm confident that over the next couple of months, nothing is going to happen to dethrone me, really.

May I mention how well your sig goes w/that pic? LOL


Congrats me Flam!

Well-I'm sure not after the title lol..

May I mention how well your sig goes w/that pic? LOL


Congrats me Flam!

I kissed, macked, flashed, and ****ed one of her best friends before I did those things with her. And this was while we were engaged. And yes, she knows about it.


And thank you. Now I just have to find a way to get the ring sent to New York and resized. Plus come up with the fifteen thousand for the ring.

I think she's cute. She has happiness all over her.


***note to FL- I realize this is YOUR thread but you are NOT allowed to pervert that comment with what else may be on her- end note***

Oh, hell no. That's why I want to marry the girl. She has happiness written all over her. She's like me. Loves the drama-free lifestyle. She's a romantic like me, and a traditionalist when it comes to relationships. I'm going to take her on a date to properly propose to her.

I Love Love

I do too,Sugar-and poor Flam hasnt had an easy time of it the last year...this is great news

I kissed, macked, flashed, and ****ed one of her best friends before I did those things with her. And this was while we were engaged. And yes, she knows about it.


And thank you. Now I just have to find a way to get the ring sent to New York and resized. Plus come up with the fifteen thousand for the ring.

Honey, you kissed, macked, flashed and ****ed one of her best friends in the week prior to your engament, and you've been engaged for a week. Are you positive about this?

Honey, you kissed, macked, flashed and ****ed one of her best friends in the week prior to your engament, and you've been engaged for a week. Are you positive about this?

She commanded that Tom and I go forth and do the deed.

I do too,Sugar-and poor Flam hasnt had an easy time of it the last year...this is great news

We'll see how things go.

She commanded that Tom and I go forth and do the deed.


And that was before you offered the big fat honking ring?


Sweetie, really, if this is what you wnat and you feel positive about it, then great, but are you sure she's not taking advantage of you?

Good luck,Youngster...

She doesn't know about the ring yet. Hence the reason it's a surprise.

Honey, my hope is that you're not letting yourself get talked into something, (and really, man, in about 45 seconds, I could talk you into robbing banks.)

If you love this girl and she loves you, then why not wait a year or two?

Because it feels right. And we have all the time in the world to wait until we do get married.

Congrats!


sucker:D

I really hope this is taken in the spirit that it's intended. I don't say this to burst any bubbles or to be a jerk.

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

It sounds like you are happy, and I think that's great :)

You know you are only paying for a name with that engagement ring? You can get it made cheaper, great quality elsewhere Im sure. I have the 2 saph 1 diamond version from Tiffany's e-ring and we got it made for about 6k AUD. It looks EXACTLY the same. Only diff is I wanted white gold not platinum and had I wanted it it could have been plat for 1k more.

good for you man. she looks sweet.

damn it look what happens when i go away!! :p
:w00t:
congrats!!!
am happy for my sweety FL :nice:
damn it hun you been sure lucky!! :D

Because it feels right. And we have all the time in the world to wait until we do get married.

i mean really, what is 1 or 2 years subtracted from forever? Not even mathematically signifigant.. so yeah, definitely take your time. [I think some posters think you have a rush to 'be married.']

I just worry about you both falling real quick, and then some sort of real life thing intrudes, then someone might get hurt. (Take some time to establish some history, some buffer so that if/when crappy real life stuff happens, you can bounce back.)

May I mention how well your sig goes w/that pic? LOL


Congrats me Flam!

Haha that's what I thought too!

Yeah, congratulations!

M

I hope you stay smitten. :)

Congrats!

You know you are only paying for a name with that engagement ring? You can get it made cheaper, great quality elsewhere Im sure. I have the 2 saph 1 diamond version from Tiffany's e-ring and we got it made for about 6k AUD. It looks EXACTLY the same. Only diff is I wanted white gold not platinum and had I wanted it it could have been plat for 1k more.

I was thinking of just commissioning the designer of the ring to make me a new one and buy higher quality gemstones and stuff from Brazil. It'd cost me half as much and look twice as nice.

Wow... you're 19, and you wanna get married?

Where are you gonna get $15,000 for this ring? Do you have any idea how much money that is?

Is Kat the girl you're marrying? You say she had a vengeful and irrational meltdown on the day that you decided to marry her. Do you wanna deal with that for the rest of your life? Or are you planning on changing her?

I'm only saying these things to try to help you avoid making mistakes you'll be paying for for years, and perhaps the rest of your life.

Kat has a boyfriend, and I would not marry her.
I'm getting the money for the ring the same place I'm getting the rest of my money. It's a private issue, but it's not credit or anything, but the source is private.

I was thinking of just commissioning the designer of the ring to make me a new one and buy higher quality gemstones and stuff from Brazil. It'd cost me half as much and look twice as nice.

And by all means you should! :nice: That's what's known as "smart shopping". :D

Oh, before I forget, congrats! :nice:

Kat has a boyfriend, and I would not marry her.
I'm getting the money for the ring the same place I'm getting the rest of my money. It's a private issue, but it's not credit or anything, but the source is private.

Inheritance, maybe?

You should know that there are much better ways to spend your money, and that there will come a day when you wish you could spend that money on something else.

What purpose does that ring serve?

Nothing. But I plan on moving away from this side of the country anyway. I'd have to wait about six years of never going out and never spending a dime on anything to be able to afford it otherwise.

So... someone's paying you $15K to move? :scratch:

If you won't say where the money's coming from, then I really can't offer any more advice. All I can say is, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

And I still wouldn't get married at 19. Most people don't even know who they are before the age of 25, much less what kind of person they want to spend the rest of their life with.

The money is my money. It's not being given to me. It was given to me a long time ago, and I was never informed about it. I didn't know about it until very recently.

Do you have the option of spending it on something else?

Because a down payment on a house would improve your life about a bazillion times as much as a shiny rock.

I have more than fifteen grand. Down payment on a house, plus the first couple year's payments, plus a wedding, plus rainy weather savings, and still have plenty left that I just never touch.

I hate it when a spoil-fun such as Feenix is right on the money (if I may say so).

Didn't even know you were dating...

I don't keep my entire life in the public domain. It'd be kind of silly to do that.

I hate it when a spoil-fun such as Feenix is right on the money (if I may say so).

Didn't even know you were dating...

I'm not a spoil-fun :p

I'm just trying to steer our dear friend flaming_liberal in the right direction, so as to avoid future headaches, to increase his long-term prospects for fun.

I've had enough crazy fun on my own. Now I want to share my crazy fun with someone else.

I've had enough crazy fun on my own. Now I want to share my crazy fun with someone else.

And you think marriage is fun? :eek7:

Marriage is work, but it can be fun work.

You know what else is work? Divorce court. Especially if you have signifigant assets, and she wants half.

True. That's why God invented prenup.

Oh, and I should add: Those significant assets thats she's gonna get half of only includes what's leftover after you give her $15K worth of rocks.

I have no idea what your relationship is like FL, and it may be built on a solid foundation of mutual appreciation, love, and a healthy dose of lust.
But the 15000 dollar ring spins me out. The way I see it, no matter how rich you might be, it just isn't necessary.

Lets forget about your age for a minute, and what a sum like that represents... why would one or two thousand dollars not be enough? Hell, 500 dollars would get you something nice too... Why do you have to spend so much money on a ring?

I admit, this is coming from someone who doesn't like the idea of rings anyway. I wish we could break free from tradition enough to realize it would be far nicer to give the person something really meaningful/useful, or do something for them that really helps them - once a year, to renew ones vows.

A ring is like a band of ownership, whereas the repeated act of doing something thoughtful for your partner to renew the vows shows you really have your heart in it...

End of my rant :)

M.

Marriage is work, but it can be fun work.

Oh, it is. Trust me. :hiya:

Getting married under the age of 25-29 is just stupid.
Spending more than a few grand on a ring is moronic.
Getting married and spending $15000 on a ring when you're under the age of 25-29 and you're a depressed, sexually active bi-sexual in an open relationship... well you do the math.

FL, I don't mean that to be rude. You're really not in the right place to make that kind of perminant decision. Obviously it's your life, but I'm very sorry to say, this will not work out in the end.

I feel the need to report you for that.

Like I said, I don't mean that to be rude. I'm not calling you stupid. I just don't think you're anywhere near a place in your life that would allow you to make a perminant decision about marriage. For whatever reason, you're not able to see how it would be a terrible (and stupid) decision.

I'm not insulting you.

You said your piece once. Repeating it is something that I find to be offensive. I feel right about this, and I trust my emotions more than I trust anything else about myself.

It really comes down to one thing-if he's determined and she's determined they'll make out/

Well I'm sorry I offended you. My intention wasn't to call you stupid.

Getting married under the age of 25-29 is just stupid.


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It is. And you're 25, dear.

Im less than 29 though :P

I think it was 29 for the guy and 25 for the girl-coz y'all are more mature...

I got married at 23 11/12ths

Kraw, that was very stupid of you. :p

Feelings and emotions are often extremely unreliable, especially when they're fueled by being "in love".

IUf you want to make a huge mistake, which I believe you're planbning, go ahead, but i would advise a very long engaghement; at least three years. That's how long it may take for the passion to wane (if you're lucky enough to drag it out that long), and when your brain chemistry levels off, you can make a better, ore well informed decision.

If this is love, it will wait, and if any woman pressures you to marry, it's often because of her own insecurity.

A 21 year old girl and a 35 or 40 year old woman are two entirely different types of people, as any woamn can verify, and I would just advise you not to jump the gun.

getting married may sound fun and great, and it's the easiest thing in the world to get into, but after 10 years and2 or 3 kids, it's extrememly difficult to get out of, and once children are involved, the relationship never really ends, noi matter hoiw badly you may want it to.

If it does end in divorce (which the majority of youyng marriages doi), being a man, the courts will rule against your wishes about 80% of the time. That's how the system operates and you can't change it.

Lawyers charge about 1200.00 for a retainer, and roughly 150 bucks and hour plus expenses, and they track every minute, whether they're doing the work, or their subordinates.

Think long and hard about this one, rtalk to lots of married people, and above all, let the big head do the thinking. If you don't, you will most likely have to endure lots of pain and suffering down the road, and it can last for years and years.

Personally, as a rule of thumb, and although there are exceptions, I wouldn't advise anyone under 30 to marry. Every divorced person thought that their marriage would be the one that worked out, but truly committing to another person is hard work.

Living together and playing house is easy, because there's always an easy out, but marriage is entirely different. there are huge legal and financial ramifications that don'rt go away when the marriage ends. I've done both, and I'm speaking from experience.

Also, it's better to get a marriage righ the first time, because statistically, second marriages have an even higher failure rate then first marriages. Living together before marriage also increases the chance of divorce. I've done that as well, and now understand why thios is so.

At age 19, there should be no rush to marry. If she loves you and you love her, you'll still be able to marry in 5 years. If she's gone in three, or you are, you will have dodged a huge bullet, and you'll have much to be grateful for.

be careful. think this through, and don't rush into anything "permanent". It can literally ruin the best years of your life.

Kraw, that was very stupid of you. :p
coming up on the 8 year anniversary ;)

wanna know the secret? no kids

hmmm all that and he's not getting laid? "wtf?" If I may say so. :p


Personally if my bf spent 15k on a ring I'd think it was extremely sweet but I'd have to bop him on the head and tell him to get a refund. There are things that are a lot more important than decorating my finger.

:w00t: That's frickin awesome FL!!!


Coincidentally I proposed to my lady last night.

I'm so frickin excited man!!! :woohoo:

BETTY!!!! DON'T SAY ANYTHING TO MOM AND DAD GODDAMMIT!!! THEY WILL FIND OUT WHEN ASHLEY AND I WANT THEM TO!!!

I was married at 18, and I don't consider it a mistake. I worked at it, and learned a lot from it. I just married the wrong person is all. Getting older doesn't necessarily change one's maturity and values. Some people have it all along, others never find it.
All that matters is that you are getting married for the right reasons, and you're sincere about your intentions, because if you're not, you're going to put two people in a world of hurt.