The Ant and the Grasshopper And old Fable, newly revised

OLD VERSION (Pre Modern Democratic Party)
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION (Circa 1998)
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can it be that, in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Then a representative of the NAAGB (National Association of Green Bugs) shows up on Nightline and charges the ant with "green bias", and makes the case that the grasshopper is the victim of 30 million years of Greenism.
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when he sings "It's Not Easy Being Green." Bill and Hillary Clinton make a special guest appearance on the CBS Evening News to tell a concerned Dan Rather that they will do everything they can for the grasshopper who has been denied the prosperity he deserves by those who benefited unfairly during the Reagan summers, or as Bill refers to it, the "Temperatures of the 80's."
"Richard Gephardt exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."
Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti Greenism Act". Retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single parent welfare moms who can only hear cases on Thursdays between 1:30 PM and 3:00 PM when there are no talk shows scheduled. The ant loses the case.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he's in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him since he doesn't know how to maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow.
And on the TV, which the grasshopper bought by selling most of the ant's food, they are showing Bill Clinton standing before a wildly applauding group of Democrats announcing that a new era of "fairness" has dawned in America.


This is probably a repost, sorry if it is. I think it's creative (I didn’t write it)

I don't think it is creative. I think it is stupid and I could write something equally as inflamatory myself in about 15 minutes. I'll start: The Giants love to play games but they needed people to play with so they went and found some people that didn't want to play but they forced them too. The Giants made all the rules to the game and the game sometimes was simple and sometimes was complicated. They never told the other players the rules to the game and did everything in their power to make sure they would never know. Needless to say the Giants never lost....I could go on and on about the Giants and the other players and make it clear that the Giants are just a bunch of sick mutha fukas. I don't think it would be cute or creative and I am sure others would not think so either.

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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

I'd have to agree with Freedom, even though I think Notch's story is more amusing, albeit more whiney...

-Patrick

P.S. What's up with the "Giants" anyways? Are they supposed to represent Dolly Parton's boobs or what?

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"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

92 Notch, I think that is hitting a little tooo close to home. Freeedom, your giants' story is not nearly as creative though and not nearly as similar. The grasshopper knew the rules, the giants kept the rules to themselves. You say the giants weresick muthas, was the ant sick? No similarities that I can see.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
92 Notch, I think that is hitting a little tooo close to home. Freeedom, your giants' story is not nearly as creative though and not nearly as similar. The grasshopper knew the rules, the giants kept the rules to themselves. You say the giants weresick muthas, was the ant sick? No similarities that I can see.

My Giants story was about 20 seconds worth of crap but it clearly made my point that it doesn't take much creativity to write inflamatory BS. Not funny. If I had of continued the story I could of dealt with all the issues so please don't critique my 20 seconds of crap with someone elses Creative Political Humor masterpiece.


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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

Well OK, but it was you who made the comparison. You know, a lot of people do see ot that way, the story was over done for emphasis, but was pretty gooe none the less. Although new here I see you spend a lot of time trying to make people see your side. Would it help if you tried to understand the other side? i think you can see from some of the whiteys who post here that they are not in fact evil racists.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Well OK, but it was you who made the comparison. You know, a lot of people do see ot that way, the story was over done for emphasis, but was pretty gooe none the less. Although new here I see you spend a lot of time trying to make people see your side. Would it help if you tried to understand the other side? i think you can see from some of the whiteys who post here that they are not in fact evil racists.

Yeah, like I thought that the basis for Notch's story was pretty stupid. I mean, I'm pretty sure that the majority of people on welfare deserve it, and are not lazy bums. But let's face it freedom, his story was a helluva lot easier to understand than yours, even though I agreed more with (what I think) you were trying to say.

-Patrick


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"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

Maybe you could understand the other story more because you agreed with every thing that it suggest?

Trust me I have a good understanding of the other side. The whites here are not like all whites. Thank God. My whole family is white. My mother was white. My wife is white. Of course they don't see me as being black but me just being me. The thing is America has never stopped reminding me that I am black. This society reminds me almost daily. There are many whites that do not become defensive everytime that something might be being discussed or happening that could help the plight of black people today. Most of the white in my life are not defensive and apathetic when it comes to attempts to help/change the plight of blacks in this country. Maybe some just can't relate and figure it just couldn't possibly be so bad to be black as we make it out. I tell you my wife had no idea until we were together reguarly and then she began to see things that she really didn't think existed because she wasn't that way had no reason or opportunity to see it.

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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

Originally posted by Freedom:
Maybe you could understand the other story more because you agreed with every thing that it suggest?

Originally posted by PatTheAnarChrist:
But let's face it freedom, his story was a helluva lot easier to understand than yours, even though I agreed more with (what I think) you were trying to say.



I think it's pretty clear - what he said was that he agreed more with yours, not that yours was easier to understand. It's not playing the race card, it's saying that his writing style and the story itself was easier to follow. Frankly, I'm a bit offended by the insinuation that all us 'whiteys' are out to get you. I spent the first 4 years of my life living in an all-black neighborhood in downtown Harrisburg - I am as far as I can be from being a racist. However, it does bother me when I'm the bad guy because I'm white. That's not always the case. I'm not out to get you - if I disagree with some of your politics, it's because I disagree with them, not because I'm out to get you, because you're a black man.

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"I have no regrets. Regret only makes wrinkles." - Sophia Loren

Originally posted by Aphasia:

I think it's pretty clear - what he said was that he agreed more with yours, not that yours was easier to understand. It's not playing the race card, it's saying that his writing style and the story itself was easier to follow.

Really? Well that's fine. It is not like that piece of crap was literary genius. The crap I jotted down was just to prove that it does not take much or any thought or creativity to write garbage like that yet people want to jump on board. "Oh that's great!" "That was creative" Give me a f-cking break.

Originally posted by Aphasia:

Frankly, I'm a bit offended by the insinuation that all us 'whiteys' are out to get you. I spent the first 4 years of my life living in an all-black neighborhood in downtown Harrisburg - I am as far as I can be from being a racist. However, it does bother me when I'm the bad guy because I'm white. That's not always the case. I'm not out to get you - if I disagree with some of your politics, it's because I disagree with them, not because I'm out to get you, because you're a black man.


Well do yourself a favor and not try to read so much into what I am saying. I don't insuate anyone is a racist. If I think you are I will say it out right. I don't think anyone is out to get me per se. But it seems many here not only disagree with me but trivialize my takes as nothing more than black angst. Trivialize the plight of black people. Trivialize everything that is not to their way of thinking. Well I find this equally as offensive if not more offensive.


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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

Promoting censorship? You have a tremendous chip on your shoulder, it must be a tremendous burden.

I get the impression you think rich white guys sit around and try to think of ways to screw you. In alll my years at upper management levels in business or in school I haven't even heard a racist do that. In fact the racists I have met think blacks are a little slow and whites are evil. Which is woorse I wonder.

I must admit I spend little time thinking of ways to alleviate the plight of the black man. I spend more time thinking about alleviateing my own plight. I have proposed solutions that I think would work, but people aren't beating my door down to hear more. Don't forget, slavery ended because of white poeple, the CRA was passed because of whites and the only people that are speaking out against slavery in Africa are whites. Most people agree the black man is in a pickle, where we disagree is what to do about it.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Promoting censorship? You have a tremendous chip on your shoulder, it must be a tremendous burden.

I get the impression you think rich white guys sit around and try to think of ways to screw you. In alll my years at upper management levels in business or in school I haven't even heard a racist do that. In fact the racists I have met think blacks are a little slow and whites are evil. Which is woorse I wonder.

I must admit I spend little time thinking of ways to alleviate the plight of the black man. I spend more time thinking about alleviateing my own plight. I have proposed solutions that I think would work, but people aren't beating my door down to hear more. Don't forget, slavery ended because of white poeple, the CRA was passed because of whites and the only people that are speaking out against slavery in Africa are whites. Most people agree the black man is in a pickle, where we disagree is what to do about it.

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First off I am 18 and obviously do not have your life experience. Secondly I am not African American, so I can only speculate about the life experience of your self and the African American. I do not have a chip on my should so life is no burden. I can speculate that you do not like the African American(out of the mouths of Babes perse) I can affirmatively say you have not experienced the African American's life Experience, so how can you perport to know how an African American thinks, but use only stereotypes to gauge your prejudice and racist's beliefs on, that to me is very ignorant. So as I have stated in my previous post Tolerance could smack you in the face and you would never recognize it for what it is....which is the golden rule, you know the one Cosmo?

In one of your posts you stated that you are a teacher(correct me if I am wrong)your name wouldn't be Latourno(sp?)in real life would it? or Susan Smith, or the mother of one of the Killer's at Columbine would It......?
Look in the mirror before you go projecting unto other people what you are your self.

Now that story had several twists didn't it, and even a cliff Hanger Who is Cosmo in real life? http://discussanything.com/Ubb/tongue.gif

CYA
FF

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/ghostdancers2000/



[This message has been edited by FreedomFlyer (edited 07-01-2001).]

Well you could speculate about me not liking blacks but you'd be wrong, you can call me a racist if it makes you happy, but I don't think that would be correct.

When I was 18 I was marching for and demonstrating for civil rights. By twenty two I was rubbing asses and teats with all kinds of people in Southeast Asia. Our lives depended on each other, there was no time for BS.

You could call me a culturist and you'd be more correct. I have concluded that a lot of subcultures are dysfunctional. American culture id superior to any I have come across, either here or abroad, and there are not too many countries I haven't been in or over or on.

Last thing, my WIFE is a teacher, but that shouldn't surprise you, youve been wrong about everything else.

One question if I may, what makes you think I favor censorship?

Originally posted by Cosmo:
You could call me a culturist and you'd be more correct. I have concluded that a lot of subcultures are dysfunctional. American culture id superior to any I have come across, either here or abroad, and there are not too many countries I haven't been in or over or on.

For the record, Cosmo, ethnocentrism can be just as dangerous as racial bigotry; it's what leads to many wars in the first place...

-Patrick

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"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

Originally posted by freedom:
Maybe you could understand the other story more because you agreed with every thing that it suggest?

Trust me I have a good understanding of the other side. The whites here are not like all whites. Thank God. My whole family is white. My mother was white. My wife is white. Of course they don't see me as being black but me just being me. The thing is America has never stopped reminding me that I am black. This society reminds me almost daily. There are many whites that do not become defensive everytime that something might be being discussed or happening that could help the plight of black people today. Most of the white in my life are not defensive and apathetic when it comes to attempts to help/change the plight of blacks in this country. Maybe some just can't relate and figure it just couldn't possibly be so bad to be black as we make it out. I tell you my wife had no idea until we were together reguarly and then she began to see things that she really didn't think existed because she wasn't that way had no reason or opportunity to see it.



Don't tell me what I do or don't believe, Freedom, because apparently you have no idea. I DON'T have a problem with welfare, and if anybody is too defensive, it's you, cause you're the one reading things that aren't even suggested. In fact, I'd like to SEE you write a good story illustrating your point, I think it would be interesting to read, just like Notch's one.

-Patrick

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"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

Guys:

Let's keep this a bit more low ton, before this thread gets shut too.. Lets keep away from the racial slurs..They are uncalled for.

~Heather


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"The grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for"
-Joseph Addison

Originally posted by Cosmo:
92 Notch, I think that is hitting a little tooo close to home. Freeedom, your giants' story is not nearly as creative though and not nearly as similar. The grasshopper knew the rules, the giants kept the rules to themselves. You say the giants weresick muthas, was the ant sick? No similarities that I can see.
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The truth comes in many forms....if you are promoting censorship, then you are promoting a shroud of ignorance. The path to most evil is lined with intolerence.

CYA
FF

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/ghostdancers2000/

What racial slurs? Do you mean to tell me that we have to limit the way we might express ourselves out of fear of having threads shutdown? Pta did you see the punctuation mark at the end of the first sentence of my post? It was a question mark. I was not telling you what you believe. I was asking if this could have been the case. All you had to do is say not that is not the case..... Instead you turn around and do what you didn't want done to you. That was real good, keep up the good work

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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Well you could speculate about me not liking blacks but you'd be wrong, you can call me a racist if it makes you happy, but I don't think that would be correct.

When I was 18 I was marching for and demonstrating for civil rights. By twenty two I was rubbing asses and teats with all kinds of people in Southeast Asia. Our lives depended on each other, there was no time for BS.

You could call me a culturist and you'd be more correct. I have concluded that a lot of subcultures are dysfunctional. American culture id superior to any I have come across, either here or abroad, and there are not too many countries I haven't been in or over or on.

Last thing, my WIFE is a teacher, but that shouldn't surprise you, youve been wrong about everything else.

One question if I may, what makes you think I favor censorship?

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Excuse me Cosmo I did not call you any such thing....there you go with yer over active imagination again. I may be young and lacking in life experience....(in my formal academic life I am a success....I have just graduated from the University in June/2001, with a Bachelor of Science in Psychology and a minor in Criminal Justice)enuff said about me!!!! http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

If you would go back and read my previous post I was making up a referencing your self(I added..."correct me scenario if I am wrong")

All else was said in jest, since this is the thread for coming up with little original ditties that are not to be taken seriously.

The name of this thread is "political humour" am i right Cosmo?

Answer my question, who is the real Cosmo In real life? no specifics such as B/S/A/R or marital status or if you have children or how many, I don't care....just yer political view in a parody of sorts, which are supposed to be funny.

CYA
FF
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/ghostdancers2000/

Um, actually...speculating that Cosmo does not like African Americans is the same as speculating that he is a racist. If you don't agree to this point, you're messing with definitions again.

Just curious - you graduated from college at age 18? How did that work?

Political humor *is* intended to be taken seriously. It creates satire out of issues in order to bring them to the public's attention and to point out what the author sees as wrong in society. Things may be said 'in jest', but there is a difference between 'Why did the chicken cross the road?' and 'Why did X politician do (insert questionable act here)?'. This thread is intended as a way to seriously discuss the way political humor works, not a way to insult other members of the board and then say 'Oh, this is a political humor forum, I was just kidding. I didn't really mean you're a stupid racist.' That's not at all the nature of what we were discussing.

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"I have no regrets. Regret only makes wrinkles." - Sophia Loren

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FreedomFlyer:
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First off I am 18 and obviously do not have your life experience. Secondly I am not African American, so I can only speculate about the life experience of your self and the African American. I do not have a chip on my should so life is no burden. I can speculate that you do not like the African American(out of the mouths of Babes perse) I can affirmatively say you have not experienced the African American's life Experience, so how can you perport to know how an African American thinks, but use only stereotypes to gauge your prejudice and racist's beliefs on, that to me is very ignorant. So as I have stated in my previous post Tolerance could smack you in the face and you would never recognize it for what it is....which is the golden rule, you know the one Cosmo?

In one of your posts you stated that you are a teacher(correct me if I am wrong)your name wouldn't be Latourno(sp?)in real life would it? or Susan Smith, or the mother of one of the Killer's at Columbine would It......?
Look in the mirror before you go projecting unto other people what you are your self.

Now that story had several twists didn't it, and even a cliff Hanger Who is Cosmo in real life? http://discussanything.com/Ubb/tongue.gif

It seems pretty clear to me you are calling me a racist. I don't really care if you do, but I wanted to point out the inaccuracy of what you say. Your denial makes you less credible.

Flyer, the topic is P humor, I'm just not as clever as some and certainly not nearly as smart as you. I didn't finish school till my thirties, didn't get my degree until I was twice your age, so you see intellectually you are way above me.

PAT, you are correct, ethnocentrism causes more bloodshed than race and i do believe there will be violence over culture in this country, and in the not too distant future. Oddly I think it will be between Hispanics and everyone else. Your are starting to see the beginnings of it now. The latino who ran for mayor of Los Angeles recently believed that all Mexican American people should have their own homeland carved out of the southwestern states. Some people, like Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton are sympathetic, but I don't think it will occurr peacefully.

Originally posted by Aphasia:
Um, actually...speculating that Cosmo does not like African Americans is the same as speculating that he is a racist. If you don't agree to this point, you're messing with definitions again.

Just curious - you graduated from college at age 18? How did that work?



You can not care for black people and not be a racist at the same time. It is very possible and very common. I think FF is still in college but if he is degreed already it could be due to graduating HS early and just being smart.



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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

Please explain to me how I am promoting, favoring, censorship?

I would be happy to answer any questions you may have about my politics, just ask.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Please explain to me how I am promoting, favoring, censorship?

I would be happy to answer any questions you may have about my politics, just ask.

Cause your white! LOL



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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

Actually your are only half-right, I am mixed but it sounds like a good enough reason for some, I'm sure, and to be fair, I do "look" white.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Actually your are only half-right, I am mixed but it sounds like a good enough reason for some, I'm sure, and to be fair, I do "look" white.

Stop hating Cos or I’ll have to declare a word war and you are not man enough. Your posts smell like George Bush’s shoes. Is that political humor?

What website did you all hatch out of all of a sudden? I'd really like to go there and raise hell, and smack some inbreds around. I'm a little out of shape and kicking retards and intellectual cripples was always like a 3 mile run for me, well maybe like a 400 yard dash in this case.

Come bother me on this site. It's all Communists and Black Nationalists who will litterally ****e all over your arguments.
http://daidoji.unimatrix01.org/iamcool.htm

What website did YOU hatch out of?

Stop making accusations, derogatory comments, and threatening words.

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Manu Narayan

Originally posted by freedom:
You can not care for black people and not be a racist at the same time. It is very possible and very common. I think FF is still in college but if he is degreed already it could be due to graduating HS early and just being smart.


I care for most everybody in this world, but I don't favor black people more than anyone else. I think that at least the second part is how most people on this board think. If you believe that black people are more entitled to certain rights than others, you're more of a racist than any of us.

Also, you said in an earlier post:
"The thing is America has never stopped reminding me that I am black. This society reminds me almost daily. There are many whites that do not become defensive everytime that something might be being discussed or happening that could help the plight of black people today."

Freedom, we're not the ones reminding you that you're black. YOU'RE the one constantly reminding US that you're black. When you get so defensive when I make a little critique on your anger at Notch's story, and your response to it, you suggest that I'm just saying that because I side more with his view, rather than acknowledging previous posts when I said I didn't agree with it, and in fact thought it to be a tad stupid (I believe the word I used to describe his story was "whiney").

Freedom, you write well, and it seems your intelligence, but I keep having to wonder whether you really try to understand what we're saying, or rather just assume that we're all out to get you. The truth is, tolerant white people aren't the exception to the rule, it's the other way around; the majority of white people (at least the ones I know) look at people of all colors as equals, and the racists are actually the ones in the minority. Now, while everyone DOES have his or her stereotypes (and yes, you and me both have ours), out and out bigotry is definitely not the norm.

Freedom, please don't consider this an attack, because it's not. I'm glad you have something to contribute to this forum, but I wish you wouldn't get angry and aggressive because some of us think your political views are on fragile foundations. Consider these posts as opportunities to find fallacies in your arguments, so you can modify and correct them, rather than seeing them as attacks on blacks. You'll find us all to be much more receptive this way, and perhaps some of us will eventually come around to your side, if we don't already agree with your points already (for me, sometimes, it's not your ideas that make me want to argue, but the way you present them...).

Your compadre,
Patrick

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aka, Grand Master Wheat Thin
"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

Originally posted by SinnFein:
Manu is a fascist who’s hungry for power, he closes good threads for no reason. He flexes his muscle through censorship, and he cares little for the flow of information. Some one should close your threads Manu, you show others no respect.

Go ahead and close this one too, prove me right.

You closed the book club thread for no reason, you are wrong Manu.

Umm, while I do agree that Manu may close some threads too soon, you're a genuine a$$hole. Why don't you try talking in a more civil tone. Oh, and before you start calling me a fascist, I actually look at a lot of anarchist and socialist sites, so bite me.

And please don't close this thread, Manu, I'm sure that we're all having fun here, besides a small, but vocal, minority (no, Freedom, I'm not talking about the black race! http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif ) that takes things too personally and too irrationally.

And gosh darnit, put the cracker thread back up!!! It was fun 'n games...

Thanks,
Patrick

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aka, Grand Master Wheat Thin
"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

Manu, i hope you don't lock this thread. People like Sinn Fein don't usually have much to contribute and frequently resort to threats of violence but it doesn't usually amount to anything. Maybe he is a member of a dysfunctional culture and can't help it.

I don't usually visit websites too often, but a friend told me about this one and sent me a link. I don't have a home site. I find the discussions infomative and stimulating, and also helps in a book I am writing. I don't know if it will be published, but it should be a decent piece of research.

Originally posted by PatTheAnarChrist:

I care for most everybody in this world, but I don't favor black people more than anyone else. I think that at least the second part is how most people on this board think. If you believe that black people are more entitled to certain rights than others, you're more of a racist than any of us.

Also, you said in an earlier post:
"The thing is America has never stopped reminding me that I am black. This society reminds me almost daily. There are many whites that do not become defensive everytime that something might be being discussed or happening that could help the plight of black people today."

Freedom, we're not the ones reminding you that you're black. YOU'RE the one constantly reminding US that you're black. When you get so defensive when I make a little critique on your anger at Notch's story, and your response to it, you suggest that I'm just saying that because I side more with his view, rather than acknowledging previous posts when I said I didn't agree with it, and in fact thought it to be a tad stupid (I believe the word I used to describe his story was "whiney").

Freedom, you write well, and it seems your intelligence, but I keep having to wonder whether you really try to understand what we're saying, or rather just assume that we're all out to get you. The truth is, tolerant white people aren't the exception to the rule, it's the other way around; the majority of white people (at least the ones I know) look at people of all colors as equals, and the racists are actually the ones in the minority. Now, while everyone DOES have his or her stereotypes (and yes, you and me both have ours), out and out bigotry is definitely not the norm.

Freedom, please don't consider this an attack, because it's not. I'm glad you have something to contribute to this forum, but I wish you wouldn't get angry and aggressive because some of us think your political views are on fragile foundations. Consider these posts as opportunities to find fallacies in your arguments, so you can modify and correct them, rather than seeing them as attacks on blacks. You'll find us all to be much more receptive this way, and perhaps some of us will eventually come around to your side, if we don't already agree with your points already (for me, sometimes, it's not your ideas that make me want to argue, but the way you present them...).

Your compadre,
Patrick



I agree.



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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by SinnFein:
What website did you all hatch out of all of a sudden? I'd really like to go there and raise hell, and smack some inbreds around. I'm a little out of shape and kicking retards and intellectual cripples was always like a 3 mile run for me, well maybe like a 400 yard dash in this case.

Come bother me on this site. It's all Communists and Black Nationalists who will litterally ****e all over your arguments.
http://daidoji.unimatrix01.org/iamcool.htm

So you like to kick retarded people and cripples around hey? Ssounds like Cosmo will once again be called upon to defend the less fotunate. Its a heavy burden for Cosmo Man but one he bears willingly, it's what he does.

Please dont feed the trolls

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

Manu did close that thread for no good reason and prematurely. For someone that was invited here to have the first thread they started closed down for no reason sux and I don't blame him for being mad. What are you all afraid of?

I expect you all to agree with each other so it is no surprise to me CC that you agree with PTA.

It really seems to me that people read a whole lot more into my takes than is there. Assumptions are made all over the place. When people are so quick to make wholesale assumptions it leads me to believe that it is they that have arguments on shaky grounds. I don't think people here are attacking me because I am black nor do I think they are attacking black people. I never said that. It is clear however that many here choose to trivialize the black plight and are in the opinion that to mention of it only makes things worse. That is my main point of disagreement. I don't think that anyones a racist because they don't care about black people and want to dismiss any discussion of the plight of black people as attempts at creating white guilt. I just think that maybe that their apathy is part of the problem.

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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

You guys are jumping the gun. If your talking about the BI thread, It just got moved to the everything forum where people coulc talk more freely!

As for the "book club" thread, I dont know why that got shut down. Maybe Manu IS a "faciast" I dunno http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

Personally I LIKE having the RATM folks here. The mustangers folks tend to be more conserivative than ave people and the Rage folks more liberal. I think it will make for some interesting conversations. I think maybe the problem here is simply one of style. The more conservative stanger types here are used to a more regulated board, and the RATM folks are used to a wilder, more freeform board.

Lets not let style and flames get between good content and learning

Ian

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

Cosmo, don't worry, this thread won't get closed :-)

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Freedom, it's not that we want to trivialize the "black plight", it's just that none of us knows what to do about it. It seems that no matter what happens, there's never enough action. We kinda' get desensitized to it . . . which is NOT good, but it's just a product of getting force fed the subject by the mainstream media.

Like I've said over and over, what is the right thing to do? I mean, being reminded of it daily is NOT helping. Honestly, I don't care about slavery. There, I said it! I don't CARE about the civil war or Jim Crowe or even the marches in the 60's. That's road already travelled. What I want to do is figure a way to end the cycle forever WITHOUT sacrificing myself, my family, or "white society" in an attempt to satisfy someone that probably isn't going to be satisfied even if white people all just exploded tomorrow (not YOU, but there are some vocal anti-whites out there who are relentless). I'm willing to NOT be a racist and bring my children up the same way. I'm willing NOT to practice racism in my workplace. If everyone will do that (including blacks), then we should all be over this in a few generations.

However, I'm NOT willing to start writing checks or signing legislation that forces any group of people to accept any OTHER group of people under penalty of law. I see no difference in making a black person sit at the back of the bus as opposed to making a white guy get up so a black guy can sit at the front of the bus. What's the difference? If you force THAT, eventually, some old white lady is going to refuse to get up and, well, you know the story!

Most of the white people I associate with AREN'T racists. However, we DON'T particularly like to be reminded all the time that someone else is black. So what? I'm ugly! Wanna' swap? LOL!

We DO need more acceptance in this world, but it's NOT going to come through marches, legislation, or constant reminders of racism. To me, you just let it die.

I see racism like a troll. The more you fight it, the more you hit it, the more havoc it causes. I mean, you can't ignore the problem, but you can't dwell on it hour after hour, either.

From listening to comments here and another board called RATM, I realy believe racism is alive and well. I think the future holds bloodshed, I can see no other outcome, there simply is too much hate.

Neh . . . I doubt there will be bloodshed. What's there to fight over? Who would fight? Poor v.s. rich? Black v.s. white? What are the Mexicans, Indians, and Orientals going to do? Surely they don't want to fight.

That whole "militant" idea is silly. Basically, blacks ARE being worked into the "business" society. They ARE succeeding more and more. Not every black person is wearing a black glove, carrying a submachine gun, and out to kill "whitey".

And, for what it's worth, the only white sheet I've ever worn was 2nd grade and I was dressed as Casper! I don't hate people because of what race they belong to. I hate them on a much more personal and individual basis! LOL!

If there's to be violence, hell, let's put all the radical anti-blacks and all the radical anti-whites in some vast field out in Alaska and have a big mud wrestling event. Whoever wins gets to be the "master race" for the week. We get Vince McMahon down there, Jesse Ventura, and Jerry Lawler to commentate. Put it all on Pay Per View . . . what the hell, you know? Let's at least get some entertainment off these morons.

Oddly Mr Durden I think the violence will be cultural and not racial in nature. I think it will start with the Aztlan movement or something similar. The guy that just lost the mayor's race in LA, Villariosa, I think his name was, is a member of the movement to have the Southwest declared an Hispanic Soveriegn State called Aztlan. We see the beginnings in laws which permit Spanish to be used as a primary language in the US. Even the oath given to new citizens is now given in Spanish. The move to let illegals stay and work but not pay taxes is just another way to help fund "diversity", the tool that will ultimately destroy this country as we know it.

Yeah Cosmo, you may have a point. You know, that's something that a black leader SORTA' touched on here in a speech I heard. He was pretty sharp . . . something to the effect of "we'd better start building bridges and integrating as best we can before we're no longer the minority OF CHOICE in this country . . ." It wasn't a racial remark . . . it was statistical.

See, here's how I PERCEIVE things with regards to Mexican and black issues. Blacks have been demanding equal/preferential treatment while Mexicans have only asked for whatever jobs they can get AND access to the U.S.. Blacks have tried to legislate integration while the Mexican population has built their own sub-culture segregated away. They don't want us to be forced to accept them, they only want us to be forced to let them keep their language and culture and NOT have to be "Americanized". Ingenious if you're a conspiracy theorist. Instead of dividing up your race, you keep them all together . . . much easier to control, direct, and manipulate.

Diversity=division. If the Mexican population wants their own "country", uh, how about . . . MEXICO?? Guys, you've been there about as long as we've been here. We dealt with our problems . . . you deal with yours!

PS: YES, I know it's wrong to lump all of the different peoples into the name MEXICAN. I know . . . I know . . . it's just an easy term for me to use. Please suggest another one without pounding my azz or a 2 page discussion on terminology. I submit that I KNOW it's not a proper term.

Yes Mr Durden, it is difficult to know which would be a correct term. Some prefer Latino and some Hispanic, i don't know which would be correct since we acknowledge we are speaking in generalities for the purpose of discussion. since Hispanics demand their own language and educational system I take that as a sign of unwillingness to be absorbed into America. You are one of the few people to understand the difference, thta there is a difference between race and culture. Usually I get called a racist for voicing my opinion.

I'm what the westerns call a half-breed. I am a mix, although I look 100% white. Only my beads and religion give me away.

Ah, you must be white. I find that ANY time I voice an opinion that's not directly taken from the NAACP's handbook that I'm called a racist. I find that using that term is a quick defense that many (black AND white) use to stiffle someone with a differing opinion. Basically, it's political terrorism.