IDF (acting more like members of International Diebetes Federation) destroyed homes, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, ambulances, UN posts, oil storage depots, electricity plants and virtually every petrol station south of Beirut. They didnt retrieve kidnapped soldiers, they didnt manage to disarm Hizbollah.

Hizbollah won a propaganda victory due to facts above, resisting and destroying IDF tanks and vessels. They run a program for rebiulding of Lebanon infrastructure making themselves even more popular. They could exchange soldiers with arab detenees through negotiation. Evidence found in Bint Jbeils demolished centres presenting the litter of banned weapons that could put Israel forever in The Hague tribunal, if only our system of international justice worked.

Looks like Middle Eastern playground changed in a way, giving Hizbollah better negotiative ground than before!

I don't know who won, but this phrase looks to me as opposite to current reality
"Looks like Middle Eastern playground changed in a way, giving Hizbollah better negotiative ground than before!"

Care to expain what makes you think so?

I don't know who won, but this phrase looks to me as opposite to current reality
"Looks like Middle Eastern playground changed in a way, giving Hizbollah better negotiative ground than before!"

Care to expain what makes you think so?
1 - IDF is no longer invincible. Goliat (or should I say Golem) was defeted by David, only this time the weaker part was not jewish.
2 - the public opinion after IDF demolished sth Lebanons infrastructure now understand the need of REAL concessions, including giving back terrirories occupied since 1967. The fact that Israel is preparing for a possible war with both Iran and Syria is not going to ease the pressure.

Hezbuttholes fired into a great country, hiding behind garbage cans. Thats how sissies fight. Now, a winner will come and defend themselves. Israel went to the sissy, not hiding and almost took down Lebennodownsyndrome.
Why Israel didnt use Nukes is beyond me. But they should use them. Sissies, are loosers, Winners face the enemy.
So, lesson one, Terrorist are sissy pigs, with 72 pigs waiting for them when they die.
Lesson Two, Axis of evil, The middle east, kinda like your butt. the stinky part of the world. Except Israel.

Should Islam be ex spelled from America by there balls, Yes, but the problem is, they have no balls.

I didnt realize that my post could provoke a man into such deranged state. Poor thing... youre reported and almost certain gone in 60 seconds... Im sure your girlfriend wont be surprised :D

1 - IDF is no longer invincible. Goliat (or should I say Golem) was defeted by David, only this time the weaker part was not jewish.
2 - the public opinion after IDF demolished sth Lebanons infrastructure now understand the need of REAL concessions, including giving back terrirories occupied since 1967. The fact that Israel is preparing for a possible war with both Iran and Syria is not going to ease the pressure.

I see no meaning in what you wrote.
Not do I see the connection of what you said to your conclusion about Hezbalah negotiating power.
I can see only the oposite - Hezbalah agree to things they never agree before.

This one specially strange.
the public opinion after IDF demolished sth Lebanons infrastructure now understand the need of REAL concessions, including giving back terrirories occupied since 1967. The fact that Israel is preparing for a possible war with both Iran and Syria is not going to ease the pressure.

What public opinion, what territories?

I didnt realize that my post could provoke a man into such deranged state. Poor thing... youre reported and almost certain gone in 60 seconds... Im sure your girlfriend wont be surprised :D
Yes, terrorist make me go into a rage, I am sorry you felt what you felt. When I see My Americans falling out of the Trade Center Towers, when I see our soldiers fighting and dieing, yes, I go into a tissy. But i wasnt in a tissy. I was simply responding to a post that in my opinion glamourized Hezbolla. Hezbolla are evil, terrorist. I have no sympothy for them, Radical Islam, I have no sympothy for people that hit and run without warning. I have no smypothy for terrorist that radomly shoot missles at people,babies,pets. So its not about winning, Its about whats right. Hezbolla provoked attack, by kidnapping Isareal soldiers. Iraq has threatened them. Lebonnen supported Hezbolla, that makes them terrorist. SO, If I get banned for feeling overly emotional on an issue all of us should feel strong about, then so be it. But everything I posted wasnt towards you or us, it was against the enemy.

It's war...nobody wins.

It's war...nobody wins.
:yeahthat:

SO, If I get banned for feeling overly emotional on an issue all of us should feel strong about, then so be it. But everything I posted wasnt towards you or us, it was against the enemy.

I don't see here a reason for you to be banned...

It's war...nobody wins.

Gotta disagree there.

War (& on a lesser scale, violent self-defense), should ALWAYS be the absolute LAST resort. HOWEVER, sometimes it's necessary to prevent greater harm. The right's oft quoted example of trying in vain to appease Hitler is the best example. Too many leaders had the philosophy that all conflict was bad, etc... WW1 being only 30 years behind them at that point, it's slightly understandible.

How many lives could have been saved if pre-emptive action was taken to keep Hitler from building up his military? All the people in the concentration camps, all the German citizens kidnapped & murdered in the middle of the night, all the soldiers from so many countries who died...

Worse yet, what if nobody had opposed Hitler at all? What would the world be like today with the 3rd Reich running everything? WW2 was a viscious war, but we DID win it.


NOW, as for who won the recent war... I'd sadly have to say Hezbollah got a narrow victory here. They took heavy casualties, BUT, they're still in Lebannon. The UN "peacekeepers" won't disarm or evict them either, and has only condemned Isreal for attempts to keep Hezbollah from being resupplied against the UN's own resolutions.

BIG surprise.:rolleyes: The UN has screwed up everything it's ever touched. It's peacekeepers have always been either ineffectual or outright butchers in a few cases in Africa. It's never had the balls to stand behind any anti-arab resolutions either. 17 resolutions ignored by Iraq over 10 years & they STILL only wanted to grovel for Saddam to comply.

Gotta disagree there.

War (& on a lesser scale, violent self-defense), should ALWAYS be the absolute LAST resort. HOWEVER, sometimes it's necessary to prevent greater harm. The right's oft quoted example of trying in vain to appease Hitler is the best example. Too many leaders had the philosophy that all conflict was bad, etc... WW1 being only 30 years behind them at that point, it's slightly understandible.

How many lives could have been saved if pre-emptive action was taken to keep Hitler from building up his military? All the people in the concentration camps, all the German citizens kidnapped & murdered in the middle of the night, all the soldiers from so many countries who died...

Worse yet, what if nobody had opposed Hitler at all? What would the world be like today with the 3rd Reich running everything? WW2 was a viscious war, but we DID win it.


NOW, as for who won the recent war... I'd sadly have to say Hezbollah got a narrow victory here. They took heavy casualties, BUT, they're still in Lebannon. The UN "peacekeepers" won't disarm or evict them either, and has only condemned Isreal for attempts to keep Hezbollah from being resupplied against the UN's own resolutions.

BIG surprise.:rolleyes: The UN has screwed up everything it's ever touched. It's peacekeepers have always been either ineffectual or outright butchers in a few cases in Africa. It's never had the balls to stand behind any anti-arab resolutions either. 17 resolutions ignored by Iraq over 10 years & they STILL only wanted to grovel for Saddam to comply.Totally agree...

The Left(in general) doesn't understand that their are only two options...

1) Sucks now...

2) Will suck a lot more later...

I'll take option #1 every time...

The scariest thing I see for the future is an appeassor in office...

Their grandchildren will pay dearly...

. Thats how sissies fight. Now, a winner will come and defend themselves.

You show no understanding of guerilla warfare. If war was based on rules that benefit the more powerful there would be no point to it. Answer me this: is dropping bombs from a great distance not the act of siisies?

Why Israel didnt use Nukes is beyond me. But they should use them.

So let me get this straight! In order to fight sissies Israel should wipe out half of Lebanon!
Sissies, are loosers, Winners face the enemy.

Yeah that's why so many victories have been won by guerilla forces against larger armies. Vietnam, China, Cuba, USA. The point of war is to win, not show who'se macho.

WAAAAAAAAHHHH! Fight fair!
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Gotta disagree there.

War (& on a lesser scale, violent self-defense), should ALWAYS be the absolute LAST resort. HOWEVER, sometimes it's necessary to prevent greater harm. The right's oft quoted example of trying in vain to appease Hitler is the best example. Too many leaders had the philosophy that all conflict was bad, etc... WW1 being only 30 years behind them at that point, it's slightly understandible.

How many lives could have been saved if pre-emptive action was taken to keep Hitler from building up his military? All the people in the concentration camps, all the German citizens kidnapped & murdered in the middle of the night, all the soldiers from so many countries who died...

Worse yet, what if nobody had opposed Hitler at all? What would the world be like today with the 3rd Reich running everything? WW2 was a viscious war, but we DID win it.


NOW, as for who won the recent war... I'd sadly have to say Hezbollah got a narrow victory here. They took heavy casualties, BUT, they're still in Lebannon. The UN "peacekeepers" won't disarm or evict them either, and has only condemned Isreal for attempts to keep Hezbollah from being resupplied against the UN's own resolutions.

BIG surprise.:rolleyes: The UN has screwed up everything it's ever touched. It's peacekeepers have always been either ineffectual or outright butchers in a few cases in Africa. It's never had the balls to stand behind any anti-arab resolutions either. 17 resolutions ignored by Iraq over 10 years & they STILL only wanted to grovel for Saddam to comply.

That proves my point...if disagreements lead to war, nobody wins.
Necessary or not doesn't negate the fact that more often than not, war doesn't solve any differences anyways.

I will try to adhere to the TOS rules.
If Hezbolla claimed victory by still occupiing Lebennon, then would not Israel claim victory to, they still have there country. That was Hezbollas goal to elimanate Israel. Israel is simply back home againl, but it was them who giving any more time, would have and should have expelled Hezbolla. It was for Lebonnens civilians that prompted Israel to cease fire. But if it wasnt for that, I believe Israel would have destroyed Hezbolla and Lebannon. Terrorist usually never cease fire and honor that unless they are hurting bad.

Anything less than a total vicotory by Israel is a victory for those dirty subhumans. Regroup, kick out the UN and reduce the place to ashes for all I care.

I say, never seen so many flies attracted to a piece of shit.

That proves my point...if disagreements lead to war, nobody wins.
Necessary or not doesn't negate the fact that more often than not, war doesn't solve any differences anyways.
How about the fact, that no matter what the source (or subject) of disagreement is, being STRONGER and able to WIN isnt equivalent to being or having RIGHT. For now, people foaming with rage preaching about "the meek shall inherit the world" arm themselves ad absurdum... We have seen only too many bad winners and good loosers...

How many lives could have been saved if pre-emptive action was taken to keep Hitler from building up his military? All the people in the concentration camps, all the German citizens kidnapped & murdered in the middle of the night, all the soldiers from so many countries who died...

Worse yet, what if nobody had opposed Hitler at all? What would the world be like today with the 3rd Reich running everything? WW2 was a viscious war, but we DID win it.

Again, im not surprised you are mentioning The War, since you yanks always mention The War whether it fits or not. Preemptive actions are and always be sience-fiction. There have been LOTS of resistence before you decided to join, not that you had so much against that english mustache... So, since you yellows have such fantasy, I will tell you who really won WWII... No, wait, ask yourself what your grunts were doing while Ivan sat in outskirts of Berlin and waited :D

NOW, as for who won the recent war... I'd sadly have to say Hezbollah got a narrow victory here. They took heavy casualties, BUT, they're still in Lebannon. The UN "peacekeepers" won't disarm or evict them either, and has only condemned Isreal for attempts to keep Hezbollah from being resupplied against the UN's own resolutions.

UN have no means nor ambition to disarm one side of a conflict, dodo.


BIG surprise.:rolleyes: The UN has screwed up everything it's ever touched. It's peacekeepers have always been either ineffectual or outright butchers in a few cases in Africa. It's never had the balls to stand behind any anti-arab resolutions either. 17 resolutions ignored by Iraq over 10 years & they STILL only wanted to grovel for Saddam to comply.
Even bigger surprise - US is the main contributor and controller of UN. I sense inconsistency of double-standards here. Its not about balls, its about such an abstract issue as brains.

Why call out Israel for the destruction of "homes, schools, hospitals" etc...
Did HZB not do the same?
Why are similar results more wrong for one group than for another?
At least Israel gave warning, in the form of flyers, to civilian populated areas.

And war is war, there are no rules.
We don't take tea breaks and have Sundays off any more...
Some actions are only viewed as immoral or wrong due to an (outside) cultural perspective.
But that's relative to each culture and war is still war.

I don't think Israel "lost" per say...
HZB is forced to stop bringing in weapons and there is now a neutral peacekeeping force in the area...
But HZB definitely drummed up more support for lebanon (and hate towards everyone else) from other ME countries.

Why call out Israel for the destruction of "homes, schools, hospitals" etc...
Did HZB not do the same?
Why are similar results more wrong for one group than for another?
At least Israel gave warning, in the form of flyers, to civilian populated areas.

And war is war, there are no rules.
We don't take tea breaks and have Sundays off any more...
Some actions are only viewed as immoral or wrong due to an (outside) cultural perspective.
But that's relative to each culture and war is still war.

I don't think Israel "lost" per say...
HZB is forced to stop bringing in weapons and there is now a neutral peacekeeping force in the area...
But HZB definitely drummed up more support for lebanon (and hate towards everyone else) from other ME countries.
Good point. I guess we use different standards for different purposes. Personally I support the weaker part by rule, but at the end Im not exited about winners or loosers. The problem here is of a different kind. According to rules of warfare - yes, a war follow certain rules, or should be doing it - Israel should solve their Hizbollah problem without hurting peaceful residents of Lebanon ONCE MORE. This is not a war, this is bad manners. A war follows declaration of war between 2 states.

How about the fact, that no matter what the source (or subject) of disagreement is, being STRONGER and able to WIN isnt equivalent to being or having RIGHT. For now, people foaming with rage preaching about "the meek shall inherit the world" arm themselves ad absurdum... We have seen only too many bad winners and good loosers...

Who said life was fair, or that only the good win wars? If the meek want to inherit the earth, they had better get some steroids.

According to rules of warfare - yes, a war follow certain rules, or should be doing it - Israel should solve their Hizbollah problem without hurting peaceful residents of Lebanon .

War laws say nothing like that.
People should stop learn about "war laws" from organizations like "amnesty" who all the time tend to confuse between "we don't think Israel should do it" and "war crime"