Do you believe in it???

to a degree... very naturalistic though... no evidence to base any spiritual relation with ....

example:

i die... (i don't let them put me in an armored coffin) ... so i decompose... eventually i feed stuff.. they live.. maybe i'm fertilizer for a pretty flower... or perhaps a weed... who knows..

reincarnation kinda reminds me of poop...

:scratch:

reincarnatiion reminds me of nothing... hehe.. sorry... (sp)

Nope.

Me neither, just the dieing and coming back as an angel part I do.

I think it's possible that the life force in me could be redistributed into the world/universe but I don't think I would remain whole.

Kind of like recycling, when you send a glass jar to the recycling center they don't just refill the it, they melt it down with thousands of others to make new glass products.

I think it's possible that the life force in me could be redistributed into the world/universe but I don't think I would remain whole.

Kind of like recycling, when you send a glass jar to the recycling center they don't just refill the it, they melt it down with thousands of others to make new glass products.
Yea, you would be like the Kid on Willie Wonka, that went into the Television, and became a million little particles. I can see that.

Nope.

i'm hard put to add anything...

Do you believe in it???

Yes, I do.

Even as a young child, I would say things that could only really be explained by reincarnation. I've had a few experiences that lead me to believe it's true.

things that could only really be explained by reincarnation

Like what?

Like what?

Well, for one thing my relationship with my Mom. She said I told her at a very young age that she was the best Mom I've had so far... and she said the way I said it rang true to her. Plus, I can remember it too a bit..

I also had an experience in high school where I saw a picture of an 18th century poet and started to hyperventilate. Long story short, through research and psychics, I think the reason that I freaked is cause he was my husband.

I don't know what to believe.

me neither...

Well, our body runs on energy (electrical impulses through our brain, synapses, etc.)...
And according to the laws of thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed...
So take from that what you will...

Well, our body runs on energy (electrical impulses through our brain, synapses, etc.)...
And according to the laws of thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed...
So take from that what you will...
Did thermodynamices have laws??? Do they have jails, and courthouses, and little police cars to enforce them laws.:P

I don't know what to believe.
That's oK, I guess climbing ladders is out of the question???

Well, for one thing my relationship with my Mom. She said I told her at a very young age that she was the best Mom I've had so far... and she said the way I said it rang true to her. Plus, I can remember it too a bit..

I also had an experience in high school where I saw a picture of an 18th century poet and started to hyperventilate. Long story short, through research and psychics, I think the reason that I freaked is cause he was my husband.
Lol,I hope you got that picture at home.

Yes, I do.

Even as a young child, I would say things that could only really be explained by reincarnation. I've had a few experiences that lead me to believe it's true.
Now if you exercise that thought process, you may learn to understand this.

You spend way too much time on here...
And why do you feel the need to comment on everything said and post 4 consecutive times?
Fit it into one so I can just skip over the whole thing at once...

Lol,I hope you got that picture at home.

Nope, I was in English class. And almost passed out :eek: My teacher was also my drama coach and knew me pretty well. Said I turned white as a ghost. :|

A strong LSd trip made me beleive in god and the asin way of thinking reincarnation hell that belefief is older than jesus and christianity itself.

A strong LSd trip made me beleive in god and the asin way of thinking reincarnation hell that belefief is older than jesus and christianity itself.
Seeing your age, it was probaly PCP, or something simalar, I doubt you got LSD. Asian religion is corrupted

Seeing your age, it was probaly PCP, or something simalar, I doubt you got LSD. Asian religion is corrupted

LOL I know LSD when I have dropped it its not my first time. Religon and personal spirtiual development is not organized religon

LOL I know LSD when I have dropped it its not my first time. Religon and personal spirtiual development is not organized religon
I know a guy that did LSD, and climbed a tree, and fell out of it, crippled for life. Heck that was 25 years ago. Yea, I ask one guy what un organized reiligion looks like. I wondered about that question. And the question didnt make sense, so the answer would have to be more out in space.

use every durg in moderation your guy probably ate a 10 strip

use every durg in moderation your guy probably ate a 10 strip
Shoot, LSD is like I said in a previous post, if you took one grain of salt, and smashed it with a hammer, then you took a tiny fragment of that, that would equal a full 8 to 12 hour dose. Anymore, and you would be dead. Now you would die with a smile on your face, and a major hard on, but you would be dead.

...so whats your point I habe dosed and it has been only posotive experinces spiritual exerpriences whether you chose to belevie it or not but these are my life experinces. mushrooms and LSD are spiritual experinces in my experince take it for what you will.

...so whats your point I habe dosed and it has been only posotive experinces spiritual exerpriences whether you chose to belevie it or not but these are my life experinces. mushrooms and LSD are spiritual experinces in my experince take it for what you will.
Now mushrooms are a different ball game. LSD should be taken with great care. Shrooms are a little safer. But I wouldnt encourage driven. You can find spiritual in any aspect of thought. Its found within. Sure some things may bring out a higher level of thought. But some things can put you in a lower level of the earth, and that is in a grave. Its not about control of thought, its about taken care of something that is above.

^

My take on that topic is that LSD and mushrooms can also be used to tap into that portion of the brain that we don't use and see what can be learned from it.

^

My take on that topic is that LSD and mushrooms can also be used to tap into that portion of the brain that we don't use and see what can be learned from it.


I rest my case...others can beleive what they want. I know better

I rest my case...others can beleive what they want. I know better
I dont understand what your case was about in the first place.

^

My take on that topic is that LSD and mushrooms can also be used to tap into that portion of the brain that we don't use and see what can be learned from it.
One thing I learned from mushrooms, I never laughed so hard for so long in my whole life.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

One thing I learned from mushrooms, I never laughed so hard for so long in my whole life.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Amen to that!! :D

One thing I learned from mushrooms, I never laughed so hard for so long in my whole life.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Great way to promote hallucinogenic drugs. :rolleyes:

Lame, especially coming from an outspoken christian. :hmm:

Shoot, LSD is like I said in a previous post, if you took one grain of salt, and smashed it with a hammer, then you took a tiny fragment of that, that would equal a full 8 to 12 hour dose. Anymore, and you would be dead. Now you would die with a smile on your face, and a major hard on, but you would be dead.


There have been zero recorded cases of death from overdose of LSD.

But I do believe in reincarnation. As was mentioned, the destruction of energy is impossible, so only degredation of patterns can result from death.

But if a pattern of energy which motivates a human physical body is imprinted with enough strength of will, it is feasible that this pattern can be maintained until a new physical form is located and inherited.

Once this occurs, the link back to past lives memories is also much more accessable.

There have been zero recorded cases of death from overdose of LSD.


Overdose is another matter, but there have definitely been deaths while people were tripping, or afterwards due to them being so messed up. Suicides, doing stupid things, etc.

Anyone who says otherwise is either willfully blind or dishonest.

Great way to promote hallucinogenic drugs. :rolleyes:

Lame, especially coming from an outspoken christian. :hmm:

You know I have always wondered why people put negativity to hallcinogenic substances. Indians have been doing it from the beginning. Why now we see something wrong with it? Your disrespecting thousands of yrs or more or traditiaonal sprirtual enlightenment. They didn't do it to have fun they did it to explore the outer reaches of the mind that could no other way be unlocked from having done a hallcinogen.

Great way to promote hallucinogenic drugs. :rolleyes:

Lame, especially coming from an outspoken christian. :hmm:
Lilly I dont promote drugs. This is about reincarnation. somehow it got off track.

Me neither, just the dieing and coming back as an angel part I do.

Oh, OOH! HEY!! Hey, JESUS! Hey, dude, if I'm really good, will you let live forever & come back as a glowing, immortal super-honkey??? PLEASE?!? I know the whole entire bible by heart! Oh, PLEEEEAZZZEE???:rolleyes:

I thought angles and people were seprate. Angles are god servants and no soul can become on they are in a whoel differnt league

Oh, OOH! HEY!! Hey, JESUS! Hey, dude, if I'm really good, will you let live forever & come back as a glowing, immortal super-honkey??? PLEASE?!? I know the whole entire bible by heart! Oh, PLEEEEAZZZEE???:rolleyes:
See how the eagle flies, it doesnt use it wings, it soars. And it spends his life with same partner . God sits on the circle of the earth, at one time, we thought the world was flat, but the Bible said the world is round.

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers..." (Isaiah 40:22). This passage shows very plainly that this Bible writer knew that the earth was round instead of flat which was the general consensus of the time. :rolleyes:

I think psycadellics are how man first became aware of a god or some spiritual beleif. thats my thorey

If you feel the need to make your mind work in a way it's not suppose to in order to be closer to divinity, that's really making a statement about yourself. :|

If you feel the need to make your mind work in a way it's not suppose to in order to be closer to divinity, that's really making a statement about yourself. :|

so I guess it also says something about every tribe that took mushrooms for the same reasons. im sticking with the indian way. I dont know how people can be agianst something that has worked and been done for thousand and thousands of years.

Are you following ALL of their beliefs or just the ones that give you an excuse to get high?

im saying for me it has worked there are some people that just eat them and nothing sparks. For me it was differn't and I feel if there is a force out there it wanted these substacnes around for this purpose. I never said you need this to be aware but maybe for some people its the only way to tap into that part of yourself. I really dont see anything negative unless you were trippin nuts all the time. which is not the case

I think psycadellics are how man first became aware of a god or some spiritual beleif. thats my thorey
When Indians came upon mushrooms, and peyote, they didnt realize what it was. It probaly took many years before they actually used it as a spiritual ritual. They probaly freaked out the first time, and ran and hid. People think Indians are these wise, people, and what we see on Television is what Hollywood has portrayed the American Indian. They where not like we think they where. My grandmother was full blooded Cherokee, so I have had some experience in this area.

You know I have always wondered why people put negativity to hallcinogenic substances. Indians have been doing it from the beginning. Why now we see something wrong with it? Your disrespecting thousands of yrs or more or traditiaonal sprirtual enlightenment. They didn't do it to have fun they did it to explore the outer reaches of the mind that could no other way be unlocked from having done a hallcinogen.


I'm glad you brought this up, because I think there's a misunderstanding on this issue. Some people who have used hallucinogenic drugs (including Native Americans) may have had a spiritual experience. The question is, of what sort? "Spiritual" in and of itself doesn't mean good, or true. A spiritual experience that is from God, that is a blessing of God, doesn't involve the use of narcotics, or a counterfeit high. What 'spirit' do you think would want you to do something dangerous or self-destructive? God... or spirits that aren't of God? It's not God. It may be "spiritual" but you can also say that about sorcery, black majick, witchcraft, or satanism.... they are all "spiritual".

Bottom line, don't be fooled by something just because you think it's spiritual. You don't need a substance like LSD or any drug to get high, if you want to have a true spiritual experience. In fact, you'd be doing the exact opposite, you'd be getting farther away from God (I know you don't believe the bible but I'm telling you this from not only what the bible says but personal experience) It's a false 'high'....and if it's from any 'spirit', it's from the father of lies. The good news is, you can be 'high' without drugs, you can have a true spiritual experience and a high that is infinitely better than a false high or crutch of drugs. I guarantee you, if you experience that true high, you would agree. :)

Me neither, just the dieing and coming back as an angel part I do.


I thought angles and people were seprate. Angles are god servants and no soul can become on they are in a whoel differnt league

angelone - What Dr.Doom said ^ right there is right. Humans and angels are two separate and different types of beings, we don't turn into angels. Maybe we misunderstood what you were saying? Is that what you were trying to say, or something else?

I'm glad you brought this up, because I think there's a misunderstanding on this issue. Some people who have used hallucinogenic drugs (including Native Americans) may have had a spiritual experience. The question is, of what sort? "Spiritual" in and of itself doesn't mean good, or true. A spiritual experience that is from God, that is a blessing of God, doesn't involve the use of narcotics, or a counterfeit high. What 'spirit' do you think would want you to do something dangerous or self-destructive? God... or spirits that aren't of God? It's not God. It may be "spiritual" but you can also say that about sorcery, black majick, witchcraft, or satanism.... they are all "spiritual".

Bottom line, don't be fooled by something just because you think it's spiritual. You don't need a substance like LSD or any drug to get high, if you want to have a true spiritual experience. In fact, you'd be doing the exact opposite, you'd be getting farther away from God (I know you don't believe the bible but I'm telling you this from not only what the bible says but personal experience) It's a false 'high'....and if it's from any 'spirit', it's from the father of lies. The good news is, you can be 'high' without drugs, you can have a true spiritual experience and a high that is infinitely better than a false high or crutch of drugs. I guarantee you, if you experience that true high, you would agree. :)


I dont beleive in any of those things. Im still going with my thorey if god didnt want mushrooms he wouldn't of made it possible for them to exist.

I dont beleive in any of those things. Im still going with my thorey if god didnt want mushrooms he wouldn't of made it possible for them to exist.
That's like saying "if god didn't want me to send you a virus infected email he wouldn't have made it possible." :P

good analogy

In many informal folk beliefs among Christians concerning the afterlife, the souls of the virtuous dead ascend into Heaven to be converted into angel-like beings. The Bible does state that at the resurrection, people will be like the angels with regard to marriage and immortality (Luke 20:35-36), and teaches such a transformation, for instance, at 1Cor 15:51, it states that the saints will judge angels (1 Cor 6:3). Flavius Josephus in Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades, VI, teaches of resurrected men and woman. Zechariah 5:9 could be interpreted that there are also female angels. The statement of 1Cor 11:10 could be interpreted as if male angels could be vulnerable to female attractiveness by raping woman--which would produce a giant (Gen. 6) or bring about the end of the world by conceiving the Antichrist. Official doctrines of most Christian churches teach that the virtuous are resurrected at the end of time, having a physical body again, unlike angels (see Swedenborgianism for a church that does officially and systematically teach that people enter heaven immediately after death).
In other words, we will be like angels, not angels

A dispensational preacher told us he felt the saved Gentiles would replace the fallen Angels...

A dispensational preacher told us he felt the saved Gentiles would replace the fallen Angels...
Freaky

That's like saying "if god didn't want me to send you a virus infected email he wouldn't have made it possible." :P
The devil makes that stuff possible

I dont beleive in any of those things. Im still going with my thorey if god didnt want mushrooms he wouldn't of made it possible for them to exist.
Dude, is it me, or your spelling is mispelled. Do you have spellcheck. Not trying to inflame, just trying to be a good example of proper arguing your points.

im saying for me it has worked there are some people that just eat them and nothing sparks. For me it was differn't and I feel if there is a force out there it wanted these substacnes around for this purpose. I never said you need this to be aware but maybe for some people its the only way to tap into that part of yourself. I really dont see anything negative unless you were trippin nuts all the time. which is not the case
You looked at examples of the ways people through out history have tried to tap into that part of the mind that is usaully off limits. I have done this also, but I did not ignore the fact that there are also other ways to tap into a force that is correct. We all have ways of looking for things we dont understand, but the question should be is to ask yourself, "What am I looking for in the first place, and will that search do for me?" Why and what am I searching for??? Could it be God that is tugging at my heartstrings to seek him, and maybe I am getting thrown off by the fleshy way of doing it??? You see, if you are gonna search, dont stop at one thing, but keep searching, like I did, and look into all your options, but dont leave Jesus out, because he is THe Answer, you have to search there too.

That's like saying "if god didn't want me to send you a virus infected email he wouldn't have made it possible." :P

even getnig sick is at gods hand so yes in essence it did make someone sick. If every Living an non living thing is created from god. Why are only happy things said to e gods work? Suffering is as well.

Edit I thought you meant real viruses not a computer

You looked at examples of the ways people through out history have tried to tap into that part of the mind that is usaully off limits. I have done this also, but I did not ignore the fact that there are also other ways to tap into a force that is correct. We all have ways of looking for things we dont understand, but the question should be is to ask yourself, "What am I looking for in the first place, and will that search do for me?" Why and what am I searching for??? Could it be God that is tugging at my heartstrings to seek him, and maybe I am getting thrown off by the fleshy way of doing it??? You see, if you are gonna search, dont stop at one thing, but keep searching, like I did, and look into all your options, but dont leave Jesus out, because he is THe Answer, you have to search there too.

Like any kid tripping seemed like a real interesting experince. I was not looking for "something" per say. It just happend. I did not plan it or expect it. For years I was an atheist until I had a few tripping experinces.

Like any kid tripping seemed like a real interesting experince. I was not looking for "something" per say. It just happend. I did not plan it or expect it. For years I was an atheist until I had a few tripping experinces.
You know I find you intelligent, and I think you will keep on searching, and I pray you find that light. I think you are on the right track, just dont give up. Keep that flashlight loaded with fresh batteries while you look for the light.

even getnig sick is at gods hand so yes in essence it did make someone sick. If every Living an non living thing is created from god. Why are only happy things said to e gods work? Suffering is as well.

Edit I thought you meant real viruses not a computer
Believe it or not, pain and suffering is one of the greatest gifts from our dear Lord. For this is what makes a boy into a man, a girl into a graceful women. Suffering is what refines silver into gold. And makes gold into pureness. Without suffering, you wouldnt know what its like to have compassion on the things that have suffered. That is why you have gangs, they can relate to each others lives. Or why do pot smokers like pot smokers, they have something in common,{I am in the doghouse again with Lilly on this one,sorry lilly** Or what about if your mom died from a drunk driver, then you suffered, then you went out and lobbied for DuI laws. Or what about the guy who went to prison for assualt, then he got beat up in prison, then got out, only to respect. So suffering is good sometimes.

Expect a suspicious email any day now. :|

Great way to promote hallucinogenic drugs. :rolleyes:

Lame, especially coming from an outspoken christian. :hmm:

It is a way to access sprituality :shrug:

Some people think it's spiritual to kill your enemy and eat their heart.

I have killer virus protection, and as a matter of fact, I have had a couple viruses sent from this site. I have them logged for further reference. But yes, I have had a few viruses, and worms, but none have made it past my security. Plus I have other firewalls. Not to mention, I am pretty good at fixing downed systems.

Some people think it's spiritual to kill your enemy and eat their heart.
Scitzo's maybe

I have killer virus protection, and as a matter of fact, I have had a couple viruses sent from this site. I have them logged for further reference. But yes, I have had a few viruses, and worms, but none have made it past my security. Plus I have other firewalls. Not to mention, I am pretty good at fixing downed systems.

I was just messing with ya. Besides weren't you saying pain and suffering were good? :p

Scitzo's maybe
Actually in some South American religions they eat the heart of the warrior of the other tribes.

I was just messing with ya. Besides weren't you saying pain and suffering were good? :p
I know, I actually got that, at first it went over my head, but then you had to savor it, like fine wine, then I caught on, But I do have killer virus protection.

Actually in some South American religions they eat the heart of the warrior of the other tribes.
Thats one place I want to go, and that to South America, and get some Palms in the jungle, and grow them in Kentucky.

It is a way to access sprituality :shrug:
And the spirits came out of the ground, in the shape of MUshrooms, and they sloshed the chemicals of my brain, making a mixture of hearing colors and seeing sounds, I thought I saw God that night. But it wasnt God, but a visual a life in layers, from infant to death, and that was hell to me.

Thats one place I want to go, and that to South America, and get some Palms in the jungle, and grow them in Kentucky.


They probably wouldn't let you take them through customs. Plants from other countries can do a lot of dammage.

They probably wouldn't let you take them through customs. Plants from other countries can do a lot of dammage.
I would swallow the seeds, or something like that, maybe not.:D

OK, so this topic caught my eye while I was lurking, LOL...

First, the original topic here; Reincarnation. I'm personally on the fence here. I believe it's possible. I even have some "past life memories", etc... At the same time, there certainly are other ways to account for such things. Genetic memory, picking up & being influenced by left over psychic energy from somebody's life & death in the past "floating out there in the ether", your subconscious creating the whole scenario as a lesson or message to you, and just plain old overactive imagination are all possibilities.

Even my hopes on this are mixed. Life has been pretty rough up till recently & I hate to think of having to endure all the abuse, manipulation & drama yet again. On the flip side, I'd also hate to get 'upstairs' & hear "Ooops, sorry, not quite good enough. No admitance for you.". THEN, you bet I'd want another try to continue to perfect myself, LOL. I live my life like I've got one shot though. It's just one of those things you don't want to be wrong on. :)

Interesting note on Judeo-Christian beliefs & reincarnation too... Before the Rabbi got ahold of the Jewish religion, reincarnation was the belief. They cut out & reshaped as much of that religion as the early church did with Christianity. How much was a power grab and how much was enlightenment or a genuine desire to help elevate people spiritually can be debated all day. I lean more towards the second, but can't deny there was some of the first also.

OK, now on the second subject; drugs & do they "open paths"... I haven't made much of a secret that I have a few gifts or abilities myself, so I'm speaking here as more than a total outsider or skeptic.

As a preface, I *do* believe that magic is real. I also believe the religious prohibitions against it are there because people simply can't handle it. It's along the lines of "power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely". Some of the influences are very subtle too. I've seen very good people do a complete 180 in personality. Most of them became very cold with an 'ends justify the means' mentality, but are convinced they're still 'fighting for the light'.

The prohibitions aren't just Judeo-Christian BTW. Even Buddhism says it's to be avoided until after one attains enlightenment, so as to avoid it warping & further deluding the individual.

TO finally get to the point though... I think drugs are similarly dangerous. Some of them possibly can open up psychic or spiritual gateways, BUT IMO it's a premature forcing open of a door that should open on it's own time. Without proper growth & training, the door is open with no shields & no strength or discipline to close it nor control what comes through it.

OK, so this topic caught my eye while I was lurking, LOL...

First, the original topic here; Reincarnation. I'm personally on the fence here. I believe it's possible. I even have some "past life memories", etc... At the same time, there certainly are other ways to account for such things. Genetic memory, picking up & being influenced by left over psychic energy from somebody's life & death in the past "floating out there in the ether", your subconscious creating the whole scenario as a lesson or message to you, and just plain old overactive imagination are all possibilities.

Even my hopes on this are mixed. Life has been pretty rough up till recently & I hate to think of having to endure all the abuse, manipulation & drama yet again. On the flip side, I'd also hate to get 'upstairs' & hear "Ooops, sorry, not quite good enough. No admitance for you.". THEN, you bet I'd want another try to continue to perfect myself, LOL. I live my life like I've got one shot though. It's just one of those things you don't want to be wrong on. :)

Interesting note on Judeo-Christian beliefs & reincarnation too... Before the Rabbi got ahold of the Jewish religion, reincarnation was the belief. They cut out & reshaped as much of that religion as the early church did with Christianity. How much was a power grab and how much was enlightenment or a genuine desire to help elevate people spiritually can be debated all day. I lean more towards the second, but can't deny there was some of the first also.

OK, now on the second subject; drugs & do they "open paths"... I haven't made much of a secret that I have a few gifts or abilities myself, so I'm speaking here as more than a total outsider or skeptic.

As a preface, I *do* believe that magic is real. I also believe the religious prohibitions against it are there because people simply can't handle it. It's along the lines of "power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely". Some of the influences are very subtle too. I've seen very good people do a complete 180 in personality. Most of them became very cold with an 'ends justify the means' mentality, but are convinced they're still 'fighting for the light'.

The prohibitions aren't just Judeo-Christian BTW. Even Buddhism says it's to be avoided until after one attains enlightenment, so as to avoid it warping & further deluding the individual.

TO finally get to the point though... I think drugs are similarly dangerous. Some of them possibly can open up psychic or spiritual gateways, BUT IMO it's a premature forcing open of a door that should open on it's own time. Without proper growth & training, the door is open with no shields & no strength or discipline to close it nor control what comes through it.
Reincarnation, doesnt make sense, firsst off, our population wouldnt keep growing, we have 6 bil and growing. Second, our soul would have to know were to enter a new body or what ever its suppose to do. Maybe some Jewish beliefs believed in this, I have never read this. But I have read that they believed that death, was death, no more life. You was finished. Now, we can believe in a afterlife, Proven and recorded.
Even then, some say that souls of bad people come back with bad lives. And good souls come back as rich and pain free lives. But who is to say who has a bad life or a life of bad luck and good luck. Some poor have become rich, and some rich are very unhappy.
Oh, she was so good, why did she die a horrific death, so she can come back to a great life only to die a horrific death. Or she had a terrible life yet died peacefully, only to come back to earth to live a great life yet die horfific.

OK, first, as said already, I am personally on the fence on this one. However, I do understand the theories here, so let's see if I can explain the more common views from the other side in response to Tim.

Regarding the population still growing, you're working on the assumption that we've all been down here at once so far. Reincarnationists will say we haven't & that there are times of rest & study between lives. There's nothing to say (again, taking their side for the sake of discussion) that God isn't making more souls even as we speak.

The ancient Jewish belief thing... Kabbalah is the biggest remaining school of thought that teaches that belief, and it's origins predate modern Rabbitical Judaism.

The good & bad thing... Not true. It's supposedly more about what life lessons you need to learn & agree to tackle before you come down each time. "Karma" factors in there too however & you supposedly will run into people from past lives & have to do something to make ammends for past hurts. The life lesson thing is not TOO different from some modern Christian teachings. It's all about guiding & testing either the person or those around them. Same thing with dying. Somebody MAY die a certain way or time not only because their lessons are over for this life, but also to provide some sort of lesson or growth opportunity for others.

Overall, it makes the same sense as the common 1 shot belief. You simply have more shots to get yourself developed spiritually.

As said however, I'm living my life as if I do only have one shot. ;)

OK, first, as said already, I am personally on the fence on this one. However, I do understand the theories here, so let's see if I can explain the more common views from the other side in response to Tim.

Regarding the population still growing, you're working on the assumption that we've all been down here at once so far. Reincarnationists will say we haven't & that there are times of rest & study between lives. There's nothing to say (again, taking their side for the sake of discussion) that God isn't making more souls even as we speak.

The ancient Jewish belief thing... Kabbalah is the biggest remaining school of thought that teaches that belief, and it's origins predate modern Rabbitical Judaism.

The good & bad thing... Not true. It's supposedly more about what life lessons you need to learn & agree to tackle before you come down each time. "Karma" factors in there too however & you supposedly will run into people from past lives & have to do something to make ammends for past hurts. The life lesson thing is not TOO different from some modern Christian teachings. It's all about guiding & testing either the person or those around them. Same thing with dying. Somebody MAY die a certain way or time not only because their lessons are over for this life, but also to provide some sort of lesson or growth opportunity for others.

Overall, it makes the same sense as the common 1 shot belief. You simply have more shots to get yourself developed spiritually.

As said however, I'm living my life as if I do only have one shot. ;)
No one really knows what happens when we die, that is why faith comes into play. If we had a book that had proven recorded events that would prove in a life that recycles, then one would have something to go by. But we have no book that tells us this. Our mind is so elaborate, that it can imagine some things into reality. Tricking ones self into thinking one may have lived over and over again

All very true. That's why I offered possible alternative explainations (some mundane, some new-agey) & have said I'm on the fence.

I have "memories" of bits & pieces of two past lives as a Samurai for example. They could account for my interest & natural talent in martial arts (Nobody I've fenced can beat me with a katana & my ex was almost a state fencing champion, LOL) & my insistance on honor & integrity by myself & others.

On the other hand, it could also very well be my subconscious or perhaps even God sending me a subtle message about the need to adjust my behavior in one of the best ways (due to my interests) that my mind would receive it.

Either possibility presents the reality of a lesson about living a life of integrity, but also one that's balanced. Like a Samurai, I used to be too hung up on doing what I felt was the right thing regardless of the cost. THe result of that out of balance, look before you leap approach was that my "solutions" were sometimes as destructive as the problems I was trying to stand against. I've learned though. Now I look for solutions that still maintain my integrity, but are more constructive & less dramatic.

Argh! Awful long side rant. My point was that the lesson be learned via either path (past life recall or communication from the subconscious). The mind is indeed a powerful & tricky thing. SO, all we can do is live the best life we can & try to learn from all we experience. Either way, we should be ahead of the game that way. :)

Do you believe in it???


I definitely believe in it. Everytime someone dies, a baby is born! I believe we all come back in a new life either as someone else or something else like dog, cat etc.

Do you believe in it???

Reincarnation?

Yes.

I was a Wild Stallion in my previous life.

I definitely believe in it. Everytime someone dies, a baby is born! I believe we all come back in a new life either as someone else or something else like dog, cat etc.
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All very true. That's why I offered possible alternative explainations (some mundane, some new-agey) & have said I'm on the fence.

I have "memories" of bits & pieces of two past lives as a Samurai for example. They could account for my interest & natural talent in martial arts (Nobody I've fenced can beat me with a katana & my ex was almost a state fencing champion, LOL) & my insistance on honor & integrity by myself & others.

On the other hand, it could also very well be my subconscious or perhaps even God sending me a subtle message about the need to adjust my behavior in one of the best ways (due to my interests) that my mind would receive it.

Either possibility presents the reality of a lesson about living a life of integrity, but also one that's balanced. Like a Samurai, I used to be too hung up on doing what I felt was the right thing regardless of the cost. THe result of that out of balance, look before you leap approach was that my "solutions" were sometimes as destructive as the problems I was trying to stand against. I've learned though. Now I look for solutions that still maintain my integrity, but are more constructive & less dramatic.

Argh! Awful long side rant. My point was that the lesson be learned via either path (past life recall or communication from the subconscious). The mind is indeed a powerful & tricky thing. SO, all we can do is live the best life we can & try to learn from all we experience. Either way, we should be ahead of the game that way. :)Maybe its a gift you can do, like Samurai, or somthing similar. Sometimes we get messages that may be signals for us to act on those. Example, I cut grass for a living, but at the same time I think, I am not doing the right thing. I should be playing piano, or running a casino or something along those lines.
And how does a soul know when it has been bad or good, or who judges the soul and decides who and where it should return??? A soul must have a brain, or a divine destination. We think with our brains, these are very un reliable. Recarination is not correct. It doesnt make sense. Although speculation is Ok. But I think, that in order to be placed in a body, with the genetics of another couple, Example, A doctor that has a child that grows up to be a doctor. So, this would be difficult without a pre destinational direction. And the direction would have a controller.

Reincarnation?

Yes.

I was a Wild Stallion in my previous life.
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Does that salami have a face??? Is it wired to blow up, or is it a vibrating salami???:confused:

LOL:D


LMAO!