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Please someone enlighten me. I can't find where foreign nationals (especially illegal aliens) have rights here in the U.S.

the rights of man.

Originally posted by Joe
the rights of man.
Excuse me? That is in the Constitution of the United States of America where?

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
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Please someone enlighten me. I can't find where foreign nationals (especially illegal aliens) have rights here in the U.S.

The constitution doesn't grant rights to anyone, and that includes foreignors. These are "God born" rights of all men. Obviously, if we start talking about the privileges of U.S. citizens, we are talking about something entirely different than basic constitutional protections.

I am curious though, what rights do you NOT want them to have?

Don't misunderstand, I don't want illegals here anymore than you or anyone else for that matter, but they are still people, and as such are entitled to basic constitutional protections. This isn't a constitutional free handout, as there is nothing to hand out. :)

just because someone isnt an american citizen doesnt mean they have no rights. have you forgotten that whole "all men are created equal...." deal.

the only rights i dont want them to have are the ones that cost us money.

and as for illegal aliens, if they are here illegally they should obvuosly be kicked out, but they still have basic human rights. they can be gently placed back across the border instead of kicked across;)

Article 1

Section 8.

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;


So, congress has the power to make any law in regards to immigration,,,or illegal immigration.

I dont think anyone would argue basic human rights should be given to people but there is no question that illegals should be deported.


Trying to find the specific laws that have been created is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

They do not have the right to live here. But allowing them to, is probably the best thing about the usa.

The original question is a bit misleading. Did you mean to say by what RIGHT they have to stay here, or did you mean to say what RIGHTS they have once they are actually here? Entirely different issues.

I meant exactly what I asked. What rights if any are guaranteed to foreign nationals legal OR illegal. My point is aimed at racial profiling for airport/border/etc security, and not at Gestapo tactics like shaving heads, tattoos etc... All I REALLY want to know is where it is guaranteed that an illegal alien has ANY legal rights in this country, except for deportation in the most expeditious manner possible. So, that being a given, then how is welfare, etc... an issue for aliens? If the ONLY thing they should be guaranteed is a quick trip back to their border, and across it, then why should we be paying for their health care/food/housing, etc...?

Originally posted by 86Dude
The constitution doesn't grant rights to anyone, and that includes foreignors. These are "God born" rights of all men.

This is true. However, the Declaration Of Independence is where you find the basis for our Rights...

Some excerpts:

"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/declaration/declaration_transcription.html

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
I meant exactly what I asked. What rights if any are guaranteed to foreign nationals legal OR illegal...

They have the same "legal" rights when accused of a crime, this goes for ANYBODY who's in the United States regardless of citizenship or not.

Now, if these folks have overstayed their visas, they can be deported and should be deported immediately. This is a manpower issue and a huge bureaucratic problem.

Originally posted by 86Dude
The constitution doesn't grant rights to anyone, and that includes foreignors. These are "God born" rights of all men. Obviously, if we start talking about the privileges of U.S. citizens, we are talking about something entirely different than basic constitutional protections. I only disagree slightly. Yes, all people have certain God-given Rights. But, the Constitution is the basis by which the government acknowledges these Rights legally.

Are our legally recognized Constitutional protections required to be extended to foreign nationals? I say no. In fact, if you look at the State Department's web site concerning foreign travel, you will find that you may not have any rights at all while traveling in a foreign country. Our government will do nothing for you if you are accused of a crime overseas (rightly or wrongly). This must be an acknowledgement by our government that each nation has the Right to extend or withold whatever Rights they want to foreigners. Therefore, it is logical to assume that America also has that power.

We exclude foreigners from voting. We keep them from owning firearms.

In fact, the Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are not foreigners people? Yet, they are excluded. The term "the people" in the Second Amendment must, therefore, mean "citizens".

If that is the case, then we can look at other Rights affirmed by the first ten amendments and assume that everywhere where it acknowledges the Rights of "the people", it really means "citizens". Correct?

Well, let's have a look, shall we?

The First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law...abridging...the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hmmm...very interesting! It seems that if we keep foreigners from owning firearms, we can reasonably keep them from peacable assembly and petitioning the government for redress of grievances.

The Forth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."

Very interesting indeed! It appears that if we exclude non-citizens from owning firearms, that we must logically exclude them from the freedom of unreasonable search and seizures.

The Ninth Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Nice!

The Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Can I get an AMEN?!?!

Originally posted by soylentgreen


Can I get an AMEN?!?!

Nope.

That would violate the separation of Church and BBS.




:p

You can have a HOT DAMN! Finally, someone ELSE sees what I see!!! The rights listed in the U.S. Constitution apply to the CITIZENS of the U.S. And you're right, when you travel abroad, you actually have NO rights in the host country, unless you can make it to the U.S. Embassy, which is technically U.S. Soil. The only protections ANYONE has while traveling abroad are military personnel, and then ONLY in countries that have a SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement) with the U.S. Otherwise, you neither have the rights of your home country, but you ALSO have none of the rights of the citizens of the country you are in!!! So, if that is true, then why should we NOT give equal treatment to them??? What's the problem? What gives US the responsibilty of going the extra mile for people that OBVIOUSLY want to kill us? The Constitution doesn't. The Bill of Rights doesn't. The Declaration of Independance, which was a document used SOLELY to declare war on England, doesn't guarantee or give or describe any of the rights of the U.S. citizens. It was a DECLARATION of INDEPENDANCE. The Constitution, Amendments, and U.S. Code, and State Codes, give us our rights and laws, by the hands of our ELECTED officials, by proxy....US.

So, I ask again, show me, in the Constitution of the United States of America, where it says that a FOREIGN NATIONAL, of ANY kind, has rights the U.S. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to see the words used to justify tying the hands of our law enforcement.

Amen! Hot Damn!

Finally some clear headed thinking on a very important issue.

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
The Declaration of Independance, which was a document used SOLELY to declare war on England, doesn't guarantee or give or describe any of the rights of the U.S. citizens. It was a DECLARATION of INDEPENDANCE. The Constitution, Amendments, and U.S. Code, and State Codes, give us our rights and laws, by the hands of our ELECTED officials, by proxy....US.


Not exactly.It was much more than just a declaration of war{wich is not really correct either**.It gave reasons why and the natural rights that were violated to bring the two parties to blows so to seak.
The declaration of independence is the Charter of the U.S.It is the document legal that made us a nation.It does not tell us how we are going to run the country{thats the Constitution**.
A corporations charter is higher than Itws By-laws and those by-laws must be interpreted as in agreement with the charter.Thus,the Constitution must be in agreement with the declaration of independence.
Wether this applies to foreign nationals is another subject all together.

Yeah... wouldn't it be great to live in a country, where if you cannot PROVE your citizenship by constantly having a drivers license or Social Security card with you at ALL TIMES, you are void of all your constitutional rights.

:rolleyes: I'm not much on religion, but sure sounds like Revelations to me.

BTW, check this out:

Article [IX.]
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Originally posted by Lowtide


Article [IX.]
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. I think we established, at least in theory, that "the People" are the CITIZENS of the U.S.

QtrHrsmn: I was just wondering what sparked your need for some sort of justification for illegals to have rights? I'm not fighting you here. But you keep saying "show me! SHOW MEEEE!!" when no one's fighting you. Are sick of people coming to America? Was there a news report on the TV one night and you just got fed up? I'm just curious as to what lit your fuse to want to get everybody on a boat and the hell out, heh.

What got me on that kick was all the screaming of "foul" when law enforcement agencies started asking to profile certain nationalities of foreign nationals inside the U.S. in the hopes of preventing terrorism. If, at the time, all your terrorists are coming from the middle east, then WHY would you look only at Norwegian nuns? or crippled Russians? Or Japanese businessmen? I would look at any person whose passport read: Arab, Kurd, Persian, Assyrian, etc... NOT German industrialist, Mexican, etc... When was the last Swiss Hijacker you heard of? Ummm... how about Canadian? I thought not. I keep seeing Muslim, Arabic, Afghani, Iraqi, Iranian, etc...terrorists bombing/hijacking/beheading/etc... I got a little curious, and decided to look for myself what rights these foreign nationals have in the states. According to the law, both federal and state, and the Constitution....NONE. ZERO. ZIP. NADA. So why, then are the liberals screaming so loud? I have a not so unique perspective on this particular issue, since having been in the military, AND a civilian, I see many contradictions. I have not advocated a complete halt to immigration forever and ever. Only until we get some things worked out. For instance, ASSIMILATION. (Resistance is futile...LOL) Sorry. BETTER security and background checks for people of nations known to HARBOR, AID AND ABET Terrorists wishing to immigrate here. Also to remove, by force if necessary those illegals that repress the economy, by making unskilled labor wages lower for American citizens, using social resources, etc... (this is probably a bad example, but) If your chickens are being killed by a fox, WHY would you look to the COWS for the culprit? I say racial profiling for NON citizens is ok. I also think there should be a public hanging of Z.M. But, how loud would the people scream that an Arabic, Muslim fanatic, between 17-40 year old male, with TIES with terrorist factions rights were being infringed in the U.S. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT a Citizen?

In other words Alex, you want law enforcement to use common sense. You are such a bigot.:rolleyes:

come on.. it was a good question... don't name call, just discuss the topic. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
What got me on that kick was all the screaming of "foul" when law enforcement agencies started asking to profile certain nationalities of foreign nationals inside the U.S. in the hopes of preventing terrorism. If, at the time, all your terrorists are coming from the middle east, then WHY would you look only at Norwegian nuns? or crippled Russians? Or Japanese businessmen? I would look at any person whose passport read: Arab, Kurd, Persian, Assyrian, etc... NOT German industrialist, Mexican, etc... When was the last Swiss Hijacker you heard of? Ummm... how about Canadian? I thought not. I keep seeing Muslim, Arabic, Afghani, Iraqi, Iranian, etc...terrorists bombing/hijacking/beheading/etc... I got a little curious, and decided to look for myself what rights these foreign nationals have in the states. According to the law, both federal and state, and the Constitution....NONE. ZERO. ZIP. NADA. So why, then are the liberals screaming so loud? I have a not so unique perspective on this particular issue, since having been in the military, AND a civilian, I see many contradictions. I have not advocated a complete halt to immigration forever and ever. Only until we get some things worked out. For instance, ASSIMILATION. (Resistance is futile...LOL) Sorry. BETTER security and background checks for people of nations known to HARBOR, AID AND ABET Terrorists wishing to immigrate here. Also to remove, by force if necessary those illegals that repress the economy, by making unskilled labor wages lower for American citizens, using social resources, etc... (this is probably a bad example, but) If your chickens are being killed by a fox, WHY would you look to the COWS for the culprit? I say racial profiling for NON citizens is ok. I also think there should be a public hanging of Z.M. But, how loud would the people scream that an Arabic, Muslim fanatic, between 17-40 year old male, with TIES with terrorist factions rights were being infringed in the U.S. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT a Citizen?

I don't have a problem with profiling, BUT what happens if domestic, white muslims start killing in the name of allah? Not as easy to profile that. You say profiling of non citizens is OK, but how does the average cop know if that individual is a citizen or not?

And last, since everyone, except myself, is now convinced that only citizens have constitutional rights, then I guess that means that the government can do as it likes with non citizens? In other words, the government could, theoretcially, round up 10,000 arab men with student visas, incarcerate, torture, interrogate, deny legal counsel, seize assetts, property, try, sentence, and ultimately execute some of these people if it so pleased without a trial, without evidence, without mercy? Who would ever know?They could just make the problem or potential problems just dissapear, before they happen. This has a familiar ring to it.

Originally posted by 86Dude


I don't have a problem with profiling, BUT what happens if domestic, white muslims start killing in the name of allah? Not as easy to profile that. You say profiling of non citizens is OK, but how does the average cop know if that individual is a citizen or not?

And last, since everyone, except myself, is now convinced that only citizens have constitutional rights, then I guess that means that the government can do as it likes with non citizens? In other words, the government could, theoretcially, round up 10,000 arab men with student visas, incarcerate, torture, interrogate, deny legal counsel, seize assetts, property, try, sentence, and ultimately execute some of these people if it so pleased without a trial, without evidence, without mercy? Who would ever know?They could just make the problem or potential problems just dissapear, before they happen. This has a familiar ring to it.


I thought we all agreed that aliens have human rights which would preclude torture, death, imprisonment etc? But yeah, I would say the gov't has the right to round up aliens and deport them if they deem it is in the best interests of the country.

Originally posted by Cosmo
I thought we all agreed that aliens have human rights which would preclude torture, death, imprisonment etc? I thought so too. I don't think anyone is advocating inhumane treatment of anyone...citizen or not.

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
You can have a HOT DAMN!I'll take what I can get. Thanks.

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
Finally, someone ELSE sees what I see!!! The rights listed in the U.S. Constitution apply to the CITIZENS of the U.S.It appears so.

I really don't see what the hubbub is all about. On the one hand, the pinko libs are tying the hands of law enforcement by screaming "racial profiling", yet in the very next breath they are having a fit about which law enforcement agency to blame for Sept. 11. It truly is amazing. If more liberals get elected in November, it will prove that Americans are stupider than I thought (not that Republicans are all that much more conservative than Democrats in my book).

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
The Declaration of Independance, which was a document used SOLELY to declare war on England, doesn't guarantee or give or describe any of the rights of the U.S. citizens. I agree with Cosmo, that that was one of the purposes. But, the DoI also talks about Rights and the deravation of such...and about the Rights of the people to form or dissolve such.

I don't believe that documents or govenments confer Rights onto people. We were clearly created with certain Rights just by virtue of being human. Documents are merely contracts between governments and the people wherein these Rights are agreed upon in a legal sense.

Originally posted by soylentgreen
I agree with Cosmo, that that was one of the purposes. But, the DoI also talks about Rights and the deravation of such...and about the Rights of the people

The rights of the People are clearly meant to apply to peoples of the U.S.A, not people of the world. The constitutions also grants the power to overthrow a repressive government to the people.....does this mean people from the Sudan have the lawful right to come here and overthrow the U.S. government?

Originally posted by DngrMse
The rights of the People are clearly meant to apply to peoples of the U.S.A, not people of the world.Absolutely. I agree. But, if it is the inherent Right of Americans to ablolish or establish their own government, then it is by extension the Right of all human beings to do the same in their own countries.

Originally posted by DngrMse
The constitutions also grants the power to overthrow a repressive government to the people.I think the DoI speaks to that issue clearly. It does acknowledge that Right. So does the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

Originally posted by DngrMse
....does this mean people from the Sudan have the lawful right to come here and overthrow the U.S. government? Nope. I never said that, nor did I imply it. But, the people of the Sudan do have the Right to overthrow their own oppressive government if they have the means to do so.

Each group of citizenry has the absolute Right to abolish or establish their own government...but not that of others.

Originally posted by Cosmo



I thought we all agreed that aliens have human rights which would preclude torture, death, imprisonment etc? But yeah, I would say the gov't has the right to round up aliens and deport them if they deem it is in the best interests of the country.

Well, thats what I thought too but to be more specfic...

... I got a little curious, and decided to look for myself what rights these foreign nationals have in the states. According to the law, both federal and state, and the Constitution....NONE. ZERO. ZIP. NADA.


I was responding to that. If I misinterpreted, I apologize. :)

I agree with our right to round them up and deport them, absolutely, of course I still think they should get a hearing or something just to be legal about it, but kick their asses out.

I don't know if any of you saw Ashcroft's press conference today, but it relates to this topic entirely. Basically, all foreignors entering this nation will be registered, fingerprinted etc. This is the ultimate goal. They will be required to contact INS after the first 7 days of their stay just to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to be doing, and every 12 months after that. This information will be stored in the national crime database, linked with other databases. This is the preliminary phase in which citizens from nations associated with terrorist organizations ONLY would be checked. Not race, not religion, but nationality. Eventually, all foreignors would undergo the same scrutiny. Local law enforcment will be ecnouraged, but not required, to access the national crime database when looking for foreignors abusing the sytem I am in complete agreement with these measures, although not perfect, they seem logical, and more attainable than simply closing borders to everyone. Notice I referred to John Ashcroft by his rightful name instead of Asscroft this tme. Ashcroft is temporarily off my crap list.

I think most of us can agree with this no?

Originally posted by 86Dude


I don't have a problem with profiling, BUT what happens if domestic, white muslims start killing in the name of allah? Not as easy to profile that. You say profiling of non citizens is OK, but how does the average cop know if that individual is a citizen or not? I think, if the immigration issue were better addressed, that that would cease to be an issue. I do think that Joe Blow cop could guess by certain things, like NON english speaking, ARMED, no ID carrying, person, is probably NOT a citizen. As far as our OWN muslim terrorists? I think the F.B.I.'s criminal profilers could probably handle them.

And last, since everyone, except myself, is now convinced that only citizens have constitutional rights, then I guess that means that the government can do as it likes with non citizens? In other words, the government could, theoretcially, round up 10,000 arab men with student visas, incarcerate, torture, interrogate, deny legal counsel, seize assetts, property, try, sentence, and ultimately execute some of these people if it so pleased without a trial, without evidence, without mercy? Who would ever know?They could just make the problem or potential problems just dissapear, before they happen. This has a familiar ring to it. I'm not advocating torture or murder or anything else. I STILL find it difficult to believe that it is LEGAL for a NON citizen to own property/business/etc... IN the U.S. That gives unfair economic edge to the foreign market. Just like the Japanese and their cattle farms in the west, and their corporations in the cities. They surely don't pay taxes here. I KNOW an illegal Irish real estate person who has been here at least 13 years past the expiration of her visa... she brags about not paying taxes here AND in the U.K. I don't believe for a second that others are not doing the same. As far as potential terrorist acts? You're damn straight they should be castrated in the bud. Think, my friend, honestly, would you still feel this way if it were your mother, brother, son, granddaughter that was killed on 9-11? Or would you want the proverbial eye?

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
I think, if the immigration issue were better addressed, that that would cease to be an issue. I do think that Joe Blow cop could guess by certain things, like NON english speaking, ARMED, no ID carrying, person, is probably NOT a citizen. As far as our OWN muslim terrorists? I think the F.B.I.'s criminal profilers could probably handle them.

I'm not advocating torture or murder or anything else. I STILL find it difficult to believe that it is LEGAL for a NON citizen to own property/business/etc... IN the U.S. That gives unfair economic edge to the foreign market. Just like the Japanese and their cattle farms in the west, and their corporations in the cities. They surely don't pay taxes here. I KNOW an illegal Irish real estate person who has been here at least 13 years past the expiration of her visa... she brags about not paying taxes here AND in the U.K. I don't believe for a second that others are not doing the same. As far as potential terrorist acts? You're damn straight they should be castrated in the bud. Think, my friend, honestly, would you still feel this way if it were your mother, brother, son, granddaughter that was killed on 9-11? Or would you want the proverbial eye?

Actually, we are not so far apart on this, but differ somewhat in exactly HOW things should be done. I think I understand where you and everyone else are coming from a bit more now. We can probably agree on the following:

1. Illegals suck
2. They should be deported by due process of law.
3. They should be allowed basic human rights.
4. We should profile their asses. If it walks like a duck....
:)

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
I KNOW an illegal Irish real estate person who has been here at least 13 years past the expiration of her visa... she brags about not paying taxes here AND in the U.K. I don't believe for a second that others are not doing the same.

Why not call the IRS and report her, you will get a monetary reward for turning her in, if what you say is true.

When our Active Duty forces are deployed or stationed overseas, they are given a little do's/don'ts class, the typical "out of bounds" areas, etc. Of course, they always cannot be good little boys and girls like they are suppose to be (course not - we're human). We have to conform to their laws and customs, we may not always agree with that punishment - but hay - it's their country. The Americans are quickly "race profiled" for the wrong done in their country. Sometimes that American may be innocent.

"Tell me ma'am, what did you see?"
"I saw 2 GI's, they were tall, short dark hair, tatoos on arm."
(hmmm how many fit this discription?)

We have very few rights overseas, many out there hate us (fact of life). We must obey their laws, speak their language, and honor their customs. Is it too much to ask the same be done in our own country? Be respectful, but don't be a push over.

Originally posted by Cosmo


Why not call the IRS and report her, you will get a monetary reward for turning her in, if what you say is true.
Because being a foreign national, she's not required to pay U.S. Tax... she IS however, supposed to pay U.K. tax...who do I call, there?

Originally posted by 86Dude


Actually, we are not so far apart on this, but differ somewhat in exactly HOW things should be done. I think I understand where you and everyone else are coming from a bit more now. We can probably agree on the following:

1. Illegals suck
2. They should be deported by due process of law.
3. They should be allowed basic human rights.
4. We should profile their asses. If it walks like a duck....
:)
5. and it talks like a duck...

The consent of the governed.
A contract {if you will** between the people of a nation and their representatives.NOT FORIEGNERS.

Where do we stopp this "extended
rights"
kick.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60634-2002Jun4.html

As for profilling.Not a darn thing wrong with it.They do it every day for all sorts of things.

From Boortz:

"Look --- Arabs present a security threat to the United States. Not all Arabs, I know. But there*s not a day that passes that some Arab group
isn*t spouting hatred for America and its people and bragging of their determination to kill as many of us as possible. To ignore this threat
would be idiocy. Finns don*t get fingerprinted when they enter the country. Know why? Because Finns aren*t bragging about how many
innocent Americans they intend to kill.

Here*s the dialogue:

ARABS: *We*re going to kill more of you hideous Americans. We*re going to destroy more of your buildings. We
will see more of your blood running through the streets.*

U.S. *Well, if that*s the way you feel then we*re going to take a little closer look at you when you visit this country.
We*re going to check your fingerprints against those of known criminals and terrorists.*

ARABS: *You can*t do that! That*s not fair! You*re singling us out! If you do that to us you have to do that to
everybody!*

U.S. *But *everybody* isn*t threatening us.*

ARABS: *That doesn*t matter. You*re supposed to treat us like you do everyone else. You*re not supposed to
single us out for special treatment. That*s profiling and everybody knows that profiling is wrong.*

U.S. *But you*re singling us out for special treatment. Some of your people are threatening to kill as many of us as
they can! It*s OK if you single us out for death and destruction, but it*s not OK if we single you out for special security
procedures?*

ARABS: *Doh!*

If it were up to me we would just be to stop issuing visas to all visitors from Arab countries and any visitors from countries that sponsor
terrorism until they clean up their act. Maybe we would be lucky enough to shut the door while Kasey Kasem is overseas. None of these
people have any right to enter this country. They do so at our invitation and with our permission. If the security precautions we take are too
much for them then they can just rent a camel and head out to vacation in their deserts. Wouldn*t bother me a bit. Americans have a right
to self-defense. That*s why we have a government. We expect our government to take all reasonable and legal actions that it can to
protect us from all of those *peaceful* Islamic murderers who are so thirsty for American blood. It seems very fair to me to set up a system
that, in essence, says *If your fingerprints don*t identify you as a criminal or a known terrorist you*re welcome to visit our country. If you
don*t want to give us your fingerprints, stay home."

If they dont like being profilled,tough titties.

http://fredoneverything.net/Fatima.html

What are they thinking in government?

Originally posted by CYLLON
http://fredoneverything.net/Fatima.html

What are they thinking in government?
I would LMAO, but it may be true...at least the way things stand now! Thanks Cyllon... I needed that.

Originally posted by 86Dude


And last, since everyone, except myself, is now convinced that only citizens have constitutional rights, then I guess that means that the government can do as it likes with non citizens?
I forgot to address this specifically. The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights do not guarantee our rights. They are OUR rights. What the Constitution, etc... DO is say that the Government must PROTECT these rights. See my other post for more detailed explanation.

other post...LOL (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9314&pagenumber=2)

Originally posted by CYLLON
What are they thinking in government? They're thinking? You could have fooled me.