of Serbia.

It is expected that the Finnish goon that is a lackey of the UN will recommend that Kosovo be independent.

Bad news.

The Serbs are going to fight this, and I support them, not the filthy Albanian usurpers that have stolen the cultural heart of a great nation.

Why are you concerned about Serbia?

The people in Kosovo would be better off under the Serbs I think-Albania is a real backwater...

maybe I WILL argue with you though-Kosovo is ethnically Albanian anyway and they had a terrible time with Serbia in the recent past...

they lost their self proclaimed cultural hart (bull) to the turks 600 years ago.
now most people there are muslim. servia tried to ethnically clinze the place in a war. if the kosovars want independence, they should get it.

btw you think a referendum equals stealing? youre against democracy?

Yeah, independence is stupid. Kosovo and Ireland and people like that should just shut up and do what they're told :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'd like to know why some people think that Kosovo shouldn't be free.

they probebly allso think that the USA should still be a part of england..

Who cares what the UN thinks? What are they gonna do, send their army to liberate Kosovo? Haha! What army??

Yugoslavia was a good idea-centralizing resources and having a federal government is good for these people,but they're small population groups with tremendous differences...

Yugoslavia was a good idea-centralizing resources and having a federal government is good for these people,but they're small population groups with tremendous differences... lets hope they will rebuild something together, when all that war crap has sunk down.

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16/06/2006 | Albanian President Alfred Moisiu threw his support Thursday behind making Kosova a fully independent state, saying it would be a "step forward" for Europe >>> read more

http://www.unpo.org/member.php?arg=32

Serbia calls for continued sovereignty, UN presence in Kosovo

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2006/06/02/feature-03

did some homework

Why are you concerned about Serbia?


Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.

maybe I WILL argue with you though-Kosovo is ethnically Albanian anyway and they had a terrible time with Serbia in the recent past...

They illegally invaded the cultural heart of the great Serbian people.

The KLA is a terrorist organization of drug runners.

The Serbs were right in trying to kick them back to Albania, where they belong.

milosevic was a war criminal. he caused all present trouble. and serb (elite) forces were just as much a bunch of terrorists.

milosevic was a war criminal. he caused all present trouble. and serb (elite) forces were just as much a bunch of terrorists.

And the Albanians and the muslims were all sweetness and light?

Right?

Because you CAN'T criticize muslims in the Netherlands or you will have a note stabbed into your chest as warning.

I understand that you are into self-preservation.

And the Albanians and the muslims were all sweetness and light?

Right?

Because you CAN'T criticize muslims in the Netherlands or you will have a note stabbed into your chest as warning.

I understand that you are into self-preservation.lol, didnt I write they both are terrorists, something you are gladly overlooking, becasue they were fighting muslims....

Right. I understand your reluctance to ever criticize the scum of the "religion of peace".

I might do the same too, if I was under threat of being murdered like you are in the Netherland.s

well said, mister 'in full support of mass murderer lets rape all muslm women to make serve babies'

well said, mister 'in full support of mass murderer lets rape all muslm women to make serve babies'

what is a serve baby?

Anyways, I know that the people of the Netherlands are too cowardly to confront the enemies in their midst.

Just don't expect Americans to follow that cowardly path.

what is a serve baby?

Anyways, I know that the people of the Netherlands are too cowardly to confront the enemies in their midst.

Just don't expect Americans to follow that cowardly path.serb, in dutch its serv.
and why is it so hard to admit that the serbs were just as nasty as these albanian troops? and Im not even gonna claim that they were wrose, which they were, becasue that might completely freak you out.

I never said that I support the rape of anyone for any purpose.

That is what is called in English as : bullshit.

Or, more commonly: strawman.

They illegally invaded the cultural heart of the great Serbian people.

The KLA is a terrorist organization of drug runners.

The Serbs were right in trying to kick them back to Albania, where they belong.

/when did this happen?-it doesn't sound as if either side has been behaving itself terribly much.Why isn't Serbia pursuing their "Ancestral Right"?

I never said that I support the rape of anyone for any purpose.

That is what is called in English as : bullshit.

Or, more commonly: strawman. I never said I supported the UCK, talk about strawman. all you do is throw out strawmen.
when did this happen?-it doesn't sound as if either side has been behaving itself terribly much.Why isn't Serbia pursuing their "Ancestral Right"? it happened 600 years ago, when the turks kicked the serbes butts in kosovo, and the serbes tried to pursue their 'right' by starting the balkan war, and after that, the kosovo war.

[QUOTE]I never said I supported the UCK, talk about strawman. all you do is throw out strawmen.


Well I don't see that "UCK" has even been mentioned. And I don't know what they are anyways.


it happened 600 years ago, when the turks kicked the serbes butts in kosovo, and the serbes tried to pursue their 'right' by starting the balkan war, and after that, the kosovo war.


Don't be afraid.

[QUOTE=oki]


Well I don't see that "UCK" has even been mentioned. And I don't know what they are anyways.




UCK is the actual therm for what you call KLA. KLA is the english translation. Ushtria Clirimtare Kosoves.

Don't be afraid.what do you mean?

UCK is the actual therm for what you call KLA. KLA is the english translation. Ushtria Clirimtare Kosoves.

NO. You of course are wrong. Which is par for the course for you.

KLA stands for the Kosovo Liberation Army.

what do you mean?

I mean don't be afraid to speak out against Islamic mutants,.

You don't have to worry too much, because the brave Americans will still come and bail you out once your country is turned over to shariah law.

NO. You of course are wrong. Which is par for the course for you.

KLA stands for the Kosovo Liberation Army.

and in servo croat, kosovo liberation army is.....Ushtria Clirimtare Kosoves, UCK. :rolleyes:

I mean don't be afraid to speak out against Islamic mutants,.

You don't have to worry too much, because the brave Americans will still come and bail you out once your country is turned over to shariah law. oh I thought you ment 'dont be afraid for milosevic, the basterd is dead.'
islamists are all nuts, and terrorists belong in prison. there. noone shot me.

a]nd in servo croat, kosovo liberation army is.....Ushtria Clirimtare Kosoves, UCK. :rolleyes:

who the hell cares?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

oh I thought you ment 'dont be afraid for milosevic, the basterd is dead.'
islamists are all nuts, and terrorists belong in prison. there. noone shot me.

No I meant don't worry, we have already saved you from German nazis ,and we will save you from Islamo-fascists too.

it happened 600 years ago, when the turks kicked the serbes butts in kosovo, and the serbes tried to pursue their 'right' by starting the balkan war, and after that, the kosovo war.

"Drug pushing terrorists" Sounds more recent-Fenian-quit picking on the little Dutch guy and tell us what you're talking about..

I am talking about the UN stealing the region, that is considered by the Serbs, the cultural heart of their society.

So you are talking recent history- Ethnographically speaking, written documents demonstrate that it was overwhelmingly Serbian between the 12th and 17th centuries. As an inducement to collaboration with the Axis powers, Mussolini promised the Albanian Quisling leaders a Greater Albania and gave them all of Kosovo. Tens of thousands of Serbian families were brutalized, killed or ethnically cleansed by expulsion to occupied Serbia and Montenegro.

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/kosovo/html/tomasevic.html

is there something after this?

after that, milosevic tried to do the same, ethnically clinze the palce of socalled albanians. the balkan war started when he went to kosovo and held a speech at the monument for the 600 year ago defeat against the turks, stating that he wouldnt let anybody hurt any serbs in kosovo. after the balkan war came teh kosovo war, albanians wanted independence from serbia, and in respionce, mil. displaced 300.000 people and the US, russi and china invaded to stop a massacre. eversince, the place has been under UN control. there are still fights and murders every now and then. the UCK and albanian mobs have allso kiled a lot of serves, who now are a minority there.

who the hell cares? you were asking me about it, so I guess You care?
No I meant don't worry, we have already saved you from German nazis ,and we will save you from Islamo-fascists too. thats very nice of you. :)

I am talking about the UN stealing the region, that is considered by the Serbs, the cultural heart of their society. its allso the birthplace of albanian culture, for the albanians. and as I said, the UN and nato, and others, stopped the massive deportation and murder of albanians. why do you call that stealing?

its allso the birthplace of albanian culture, for the albanians. and as I said, the UN and nato, and others, stopped the massive deportation and murder of albanians. why do you call that stealing?

BZZZZZp bullshit.

I say let those people over there do whatever they want. They're not threatening the United States, so I don't care.

Good point. Except that the Serbs were our allies, and without them holding down divisions of Nazis during the war we might not have won.

BZZZZZp bullshit.awnser the question. Good point. Except that the Serbs were our allies, and without them holding down divisions of Nazis during the war we might not have won. so the US should really have let milosevic do whatever, becasue the serbes used to join the fight agianst the nazis?

I find it strange that Fenian is supporting Tito...

its the socialist in him. :) milosevic party is socialist as well.

He's going to hit the ceiling when he reads this..

I find it strange that Fenian is supporting Tito...

Tito. Sure. He was better than most of the European leaders during the war.

I mean come on. We got Stalin and Hitler. Really bad.

But don't forget DeGualle. I think that he was retarded. Seriously.

its the socialist in him. :) milosevic party is socialist as well.

See this is the funny thing about people like you and FatMike.

You have never bothered to read the Wealth of Nations, Das Kapital and yet you set yourself up as some sort of economic theory experts.

Where does Smith rail against socialist policies (government programs) in Wealth?

See this is the main reason why Marx fails as an economic philosopher...he NEVER defined or described anything that wasn't already known.

What Marx did was to play on people's petty jealousies.

For the record I don't have a problem with socialists policies, or what would b called socialist policies by the strict free-marketeers...I just rail agains the excessive social engineering near-commie policies which alot of people take as socialism.

See this is the funny thing about people like you and FatMike.

You have never bothered to read the Wealth of Nations, Das Kapital and yet you set yourself up as some sort of economic theory experts.

Where does Smith rail against socialist policies (government programs) in Wealth?

See this is the main reason why Marx fails as an economic philosopher...he NEVER defined or described anything that wasn't already known.

What Marx did was to play on people's petty jealousies.

For the record I don't have a problem with socialists policies, or what would b called socialist policies by the strict free-marketeers...I just rail agains the excessive social engineering near-commie policies which alot of people take as socialism. well cant really argue with any of that, I agree. exept that you really dont know what Ive red and how I feel about socialism. and that tito was definetly a communist, but a pretty decent one. and that milosevic only pretended to be a socialist.

See this is the funny thing about people like you and FatMike.

You have never bothered to read the Wealth of Nations, Das Kapital and yet you set yourself up as some sort of economic theory experts.

Where does Smith rail against socialist policies (government programs) in Wealth?

See this is the main reason why Marx fails as an economic philosopher...he NEVER defined or described anything that wasn't already known.

What Marx did was to play on people's petty jealousies.

For the record I don't have a problem with socialists policies, or what would b called socialist policies by the strict free-marketeers...I just rail agains the excessive social engineering near-commie policies which alot of people take as socialism.

I'm just an amateur-I think you're right about Marx and I have a problem with the direction these guys are taking socialism too.
I tried to digest some of Das Kapital,honest-it was too multi syllabic for me..

Tito. Sure. He was better than most of the European leaders during the war.

I mean come on. We got Stalin and Hitler. Really bad.

But don't forget DeGualle. I think that he was retarded. Seriously.

Tito had a very evil streak but it's interesting that you didnt like deGaulle!!!

well cant really argue with any of that, I agree. exept that you really dont know what Ive red and how I feel about socialism. and that tito was definetly a communist, but a pretty decent one. and that milosevic only pretended to be a socialist.

The latter end of Eastern Bloc was a sad affair,noone remembered the ideals at all..

well cant really argue with any of that, I agree. exept that you really dont know what Ive red and how I feel about socialism. and that tito was definetly a communist, but a pretty decent one. and that milosevic only pretended to be a socialist.


Just for shits and giggles what was the main point in Smith's digression into the topic silver?

I won't bother trying anything from Kapital because that has got to be the most god awful book ever written.

Just for shits and giggles what was the main point in Smith's digression into the topic silver?

I won't bother trying anything from Kapital because that has got to be the most god awful book ever written.

Ok,Professor-you're proving you're definitely conversant with the topic-but there are other things written about economics besides just the classics..
You're right about Das kapital-I'm really tired of telling you you're right-your ego doesnt need the boost after all :rolleyes:

Just for shits and giggles what was the main point in Smith's digression into the topic silver?

no idea, I suck at economics. (note that I could have looked it up on the net and pretend I did know..)good for you, balances out your lack of knowledge on the actual subject of this trhead. :)

Good point. Except that the Serbs were our allies, and without them holding down divisions of Nazis during the war we might not have won.Hahaha...if the Serbs considered themselves to be our allies following WWII, they certainly changed their minds after the United States and NATO bombed the CRAP out of them during Clinton's rein. I'm sure they're not likely to forget that due to our action, tens of thousands of Serbs were left homeless and without food or water during a very tough winter.

As I said, let's leave it alone. It is not our business.

Ok,Professor-you're proving you're definitely conversant with the topic-but there are other things written about economics besides just the classics..

Of course. But Smith and Marx are the authors of the founding documents.

We could quote Galbraith, old Milt, Jagdish Bhagwati, &c.

But in reality there is conversation that is going on that is rooted in these two mens writings.

Anyways, you want to talk about some particular dude?

no idea, I suck at economics. (note that I could have looked it up on the net and pretend I did know..)good for you, balances out your lack of knowledge on the actual subject of this trhead. :)

Well no. I didn't bring it up, but Tito's communism was alot more tenuous than you would like to make it.

I am aware of quite a bit of the history, as is anyone who has ever heard of WWI and the black hand; however

your assertions of MY ignorance prove yours.

Of course. But Smith and Marx are the authors of the founding documents.

We could quote Galbraith, old Milt, Jagdish Bhagwati, &c.

But in reality there is conversation that is going on that is rooted in these two mens writings.

Anyways, you want to talk about some particular dude?

You bring up a lot of interesting points but at this point I'd like you to flesh out your argument that the Serbs have a more pressing claim-if you could tell me why the Albanians washed their hands of it,it'd be interesting too-the gist of what I read was it was more trouble than it was worth,Albania has no comparable real estate,does it? Wouldn't you think the Albanians had a more valid claim than either group?

Well no. I didn't bring it up, but Tito's communism was alot more tenuous than you would like to make it.

I am aware of quite a bit of the history, as is anyone who has ever heard of WWI and the black hand; however

your assertions of MY ignorance prove yours. only the fact that you blame the albanians and wash your hands when it comes to the serves, prooves that you dont know how to process your knowledge correct. its not even correct to call them albanians, they are resiudents of kosovo with an albanian/turkish bloodline.
your opinion is rooted in general resentment against muslims.
and tito was a dictator, just like other socalled communist leaders of that times, and in comparisson to them, he wasnt the worst one.

You bring up a lot of interesting points but at this point I'd like you to flesh out your argument that the Serbs have a more pressing claim-

Really? They have more claim just as the Irish have more claim to their homeland than do the Brits.

It doesn't matter that they have been there for a long time. They have always been opposed.




if you could tell me why the Albanians washed their hands of it

what does this mean " they washed their hands of it " ?


,it'd be interesting too-the gist of what I read was it was more trouble than it was worth,

I am missing something. You do know that I haven't read whatever it is you are talking about don't you?


Albania has no comparable real estate,does it?

It has an entire country.

You do know that there is a country called Albania don't you?


Wouldn't you think the Albanians had a more valid claim than either group?


What do you mean either group?

It is between Serbs and Albanians. Where is the third party?

Really? They have more claim just as the Irish have more claim to their homeland than do the Brits.

It doesn't matter that they have been there for a long time. They have always been opposed.

http://www.unpo.org/member.php?arg=32

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2006/06/02/feature-03

All I'm quoting comes from these 2 sites-I posted the links before

The earliest inhabitants of Kosova were called Illyrians by both the Greek and the Romans. Alexander the Great conquered Kosova three centuries before Christ and the region became part of the Roman province of Dardania in the 4th century A. D. Slavic people crossed the Danube and moved into the Balkans by the 6th century. These migrations weakened the Byzantium Empire. The result was that Illyrian-speaking people, known to their neighbors as Albanians, moved eastward from the Adriatic into the Kosova region of the Balkans.

this seems a little ambiguous-1st it says they were Illyrians and then it says they migrated into Kosova.So if you dispute that point-I'll understand but the point is to establish-it does appear to be saying they were there before the Slavs...


what does this mean " they washed their hands of it " ?

I am missing something. You do know that I haven't read whatever it is you are talking about don't you?

In March 1997, civil government in Albania totally collapsed and anarchy resulted. This caused some Albanians to realize that a "Greater Albania" may not be such a great idea.


It has an entire country.

You do know that there is a country called Albania don't you?

Slobodan Samardzic, one of the co-ordinators for Belgrade's negotiation team, said Serbia favours an international agreement with Pristina, for a term of 20 years.
but
The Kosovo Albanian side, however, has said it will not settle for anything short of full independence.




What do you mean either group?

It is between Serbs and Albanians. Where is the third party?

The Kosovars are wanting sovereignty unless I'm reading this stuff wrong..not inclusion in Albania.

ofcourse, since they are kosovo-albanese. just like the bosnian serbs, bosnian kroats..they just want to have control over where they live, they all do.

Too many lines-Federations are bettter...

maybe one day, yes. but it has to be born from independence of all these groups, Im afraid. balkan needs order first.

the divisions are fueled by hatred-if they learned to live with each other it'd be better...

Too many lines-Federations are bettter...

Like the black hand?

Like the black hand?

The Black Hand was a Serbian Nationalist group,wasn't it?

the divisions are fueled by hatred-if they learned to live with each other it'd be better... yea but theres too much hate now. kosovo now wants to be freed from the serb rule. the serbs have brutally abused this responcibility, and tried to deport 300.000 albanians in teh kosovo war, and killed many. thats not really a basis for peace.

Like the black hand? a serb nationalist group that killed franz ferdinant which started ww1, and who believed in a greater serbia, just like milosevic...