When they hit a windshield, or get walked on????

When they get flattened on a windshield, I doubt they feel pain, since typically that kills them.
Be like asking if someone feels pain when they hit the ground after falling twenty stories.
Same deal when they get walked on. Well, only if they're killed.

No. they don't have he neurological system to feel pain.

And in my house they don't have the time to feel pain because they are too busy dying

bwaaaahaahahaa

No. they don't have he neurological system to feel pain.

Is that true? I've always wondered the same thing myself.

You mean like when you pull the wings off flies?

I've never noticed that it makes them happy.

Is that true? I've always wondered the same thing myself.

yeah it is true.

There is a big debate about whether or not fetuses (human) at some level of development feel pain. It of course is all political, but the science behind it is pretty interesting.

I wanna hope that the little critters don't feel pain. I hate killing bugs, unless they are eating my plants, but I would rather try to save them. I wonder how many bugs die on a daily basis??

Insects do not have a neurological system like we do but they have receptors to detect heat and light and to hunt their prey. One would think they can feel pain. I am big bug lover. No doubt millions of the little critters die every hour, to be replaced by billions more. They out number every other species of land based organism, on this planet anyway.

There's no doubt that bugs know what pain is and how to inflict it.

Why wouldn't they know about receiving it?

Fuking Fireants.

a bug has to feel something, otherwise it wouldnt know that he misses a leg or a wing.
well I guess thats possible too, that he doesnt...

bugs feel pain, and people that torture them should be jailed for life. :mad:

Sorry kiddo..
But the likelyhood that bugs feel pain is pretty much nil.
They dont have a central nervous system, which is pretty much a pre-requisite for such things.
Also, pain is supposed to teach us things.. helps us stay alive...
Bugs dont live long enough to really benefit from such a mechanism.

a bug has to feel something, otherwise it wouldnt know that he misses a leg or a wing.

Very often they dont.. They can have a leg torn off and often will carry on doing what they were doing before it was torn off.

bugs feel pain, and people that torture them should be jailed for life. :mad:


'hahahahhahahahahaha.

Who tortures bugs?

Sorry kiddo..
But the likelyhood that bugs feel pain is pretty much nil.
They dont have a central nervous system, which is pretty much a pre-requisite for such things.
Also, pain is supposed to teach us things.. helps us stay alive...
Bugs dont live long enough to really benefit from such a mechanism.



Very often they dont.. They can have a leg torn off and often will carry on doing what they were doing before it was torn off.

They have a neurotransmitter which allows them to feel pain.

'hahahahhahahahahaha.

Who tortures bugs? I am being dead serious, it's not funny :mad:

and lots of people do and it's sick and very disturbing. :(

I dont kill bugs. Yesterday I saw 2 spiders and a silverfish in my room and just let them be. I really dont know why people are so afraid of something that small. :hmm:

Don't think, just smoosh.

They have a neurotransmitter which allows them to feel pain.

can you show any evidence to support this?

They dont have a central nervous system, which is pretty much a pre-requisite for such things.
I was trying to find a source to prove that they do have a neurotransmitter and I found this (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/nerves.html) which very clearly states that they do indeed have a nervous system. :hmm: :)

Like most other arthropods, insects have a relatively simple central nervous system with a dorsal brain (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/nerves.html#2) linked to a ventral nerve cord (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/nerves.html#2) that consists of paired segmental ganglia running along the ventral midline of the thorax and abdomen. Ganglia within each segment are linked to one another by a short medial nerve (commissure (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/nerves.html#2)) and also joined by intersegmental connectives (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/tutorial/nerves.html#2) to ganglia in adjacent body segments.

In general, the central nervous system is rather ladder-like in appearance: commissures are the rungs of the ladder and intersegmental connectives are the rails. In more "advanced" insect orders there is a tendency for individual ganglia to combine (both laterally and longitudinally) into larger ganglia that serve multiple body segments.

and then this

Individual nerve cells connect with one another through special junctions, called synapses. When a nerve impulse reaches the synapse, it releases a chemical messenger ( neurotransmitter substance) that diffuses across the synapse and triggers a new impulse in the dendrite(s) of one or more connecting neurons. Acetylcholine, 5-hydroxytryptamine, dopamine, and noradrenaline are examples of neurotransmitters found in both vertebrate and invertebrate nervous systems.

annnnd:

Nerve cell endings, or receptors, are at the front end of pain sensation. A stimulus at this part of the nociceptor unleashes a cascade of neurotransmitters (chemicals that transmit information within the nervous system) in the spine. Each neurotransmitter has a purpose. For example, substance P relays the pain message to nerves leading to the spinal cord and brain. These neurotransmitters may also stimulate nerves leading back to the site of the injury. This response prompts cells in the injured area to release chemicals that not only trigger an immune response, but also influence the intensity and duration of the pain.

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/pain.jsp

Dear Ema,

Your zeal for the subject has reformed me. From now on I vow to avoid maiming bugs.

They have a neurotransmitter which allows them to feel pain.

No they don't.

Dear Ema,

Your zeal for the subject has reformed me. From now on I vow to avoid maiming bugs.

It had the reverse effect on me.

Where is my magnifying glass.....

Dear Ema,

Your zeal for the subject has reformed me. From now on I vow to avoid maiming bugs.:):):)

the bus and I appreciate that. :)

No they don't.

I have provided tons of proof where is yours? :confused::confused::confused: Did you even read anything I posted? :eek7:

It had the reverse effect on me.

Where is my magnifying glass.....

Well, a magnifying glass on a nice sunny day can be a lot of fun.....

Shoot Ema, you had me there for a moment!

I have provided tons of proof where is yours? :confused::confused::confused: Did you even read anything I posted? :eek7:

No. I don't need to read stuff from a poster on the internet when I am perfectly aware of the FACT that they don't feel pain.

It is really simple. I went to college and took lots of classes. Then I went to graduate school and took tons more. Then I went to yet another graduate school and did even more. So no. I don't need your "proofs" when I am absolutely sure that you are making merely a emotionalist argument.

If you want to believe that, if you want to found a bug rescue operation, that is your perogative.

Well, a magnifying glass on a nice sunny day can be a lot of fun.....

Shoot Ema, you had me there for a moment!

I always wonder why people get banned.

fenian, when you compare real facts with your "FACTS" you don't seem much more credible than you would if you suggested a monkey as an attourney. Let's make it simple: if bugs don't feel pain, then why do they react when you pull off their wings or legs?

Let's make it simple: if bugs don't feel pain, then why do they react when you pull off their wings or legs?

They dont really.
They try to get away when you have them by a leg or wing, but when you pull it off they just go about their business.

There is no real way of knowing if bugs feel pain, I guess.
The link that Emna provided show they have a nevervous system, but one that is completely unlike that of a vertabrate.
Pretty much everything I have read on the subject stated that it is extremely unlikely that an invertabrate can feel pain. Well, except for the sites run by peta and animal liberation front, etc..

fenian, when you compare real facts with your "FACTS" you don't seem much more credible than you would if you suggested a monkey as an attourney.

I didn't do that. Your analogies need a whole buttload of work son.


Let's make it simple: if bugs don't feel pain, then why do they react when you pull off their wings or legs?

How do YOU know they react?

They don't feel pain. They are very simple organisms not withstanding the attempts of certain emotionalists to anthropomorphize them.

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals.

Actually, fenian, it's unknown as to whether or not they feel pain.
They express distress, but the lack of a central nervous system makes it unkown for sure whether or not that distress is an expression of pain or just a basic instinctual reaction.
Personally, I doubt that they do feel pain, but there is no known definitive answer to the matter.

but they DO have a central nervous system! :(

but they DO have a central nervous system!

NOt in the same way vertabrates have them.
You cant compare it to what we (or any other vertebrates) have. It is far more simple.

Okay well what about this:

I've been looking up info on hissing cockroaches because I REALLY REALLY want one as a pet. From what I've been reading they're affectionate and will hiss softly when pet sometimes.

If they can feel pleasure why wouldn't they be able to feel pain? :confused:

And don't discount emotional pain. Human amputees feel more than physical pain- a 7 legged spider may feel emotional pain over the missing limb.

Don't know HOW you could prove or disprove that- but the chance of it keeps me relocating instead of squishing.

Assuming that they can feel emotions.
And I would like to make a correction to my previous post. Where it reads "lack of a central nervous system," it should read "lack of a developed central nervous system."

Emma, I am happy that there are people in the world like you.

but you are anthropomorphizing. Pure and simple.

If they have emotions, do the mothers have seperation anxiety when their "children" leave home?

Who knows? As I said it is hard to prove or disprove emotion. Or what degree of range- does it extend to others- are they empathetic to their own kind, all species, who knows?

But the fact that I DON'T know makes me want to err on the side of caution.

Pysical, no.

Phycological, yes.

Q. What is the last thing that passes through a bugs mind when he hits the windshield of a speeding car?



















A. His ASS!

I try to avoid hurting bugs, but sometimes I have to anyway. When I was a kid my grandmother's house had ants, I had to set out poison for them. :(

People just like to tell themselves bugs can't feel pain. Makes them not feel guilty and superior at the same time.

Besides, who cares if bugs or anyone else feels pain as long as they can't sue right?

I think bugs are able to perceive pain. When you rip a leg off a bug, it reacts in some way to the stimulus.
But, and I hate to say this, fenian is right...they do not have a highly developed nervous system. There is no mechanism by which the bug can conciously go "ouch, that hurts".
So, yes, bugs feel pain. But, they can't really process the implications of that beyond reacting to the stimulus. Pain to a bug is not torturous in the same way pain is to a human or other higher mammals.

All I know is that back in NC there were cockroaches as big as tankers and when I hit one with a hammer, he took off running. Probably had the equivelant of a hangover the next day but I suspect he was back with his buddies later that night.

Besides, who cares if bugs or anyone else feels pain as long as they can't sue right? yeah, right? :rolleyes: :(

the world just sucks that way. :(
All I know is that back in NC there were cockroaches as big as tankers and when I hit one with a hammer, he took off running.:eek::eek::eek:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids/2003/10/images/roach-small.jpg

:(

Actually, I try to save bugs, If I find a spider in my house, I get a plastic cup, and a piece of paper, and I catch the spider, then I use the paper to cover the cup, then I gently and quietly go outside, and let that little thing go.

heh. Ema. At first I was under the impression that you were joking around here. "Pulling our legs" so to speak.

When an insect reacts to stimuli which we would perceive as causing pain to it, it is purely instinctual. For example; when an insect is exposed to extreme temparatures it will attempt to flee. To Ema this would constitute concrete proof that they feel pain, why else would they be reacting in such a way? It has been demonstrated that bacteria too will react the same way. Does this mean bacteria feel pain in the same sense that humans do too? of course not.

Ema is the type of person who must place human characteristics on everything, because it helps her to understand the world. She is incapable of looking at things objectively.