http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4763655.stm

A woman of African origin and a young white child in her care have been shot dead in the Belgian city of Antwerp by a suspected right-wing extremist.

Earlier a woman of Turkish descent was shot and injured as she sat reading a book on a bench in the city centre.

Police later intercepted the man, and shot and wounded him in the stomach after he refused to put down his gun.

The government has strongly condemned the attacks, describing them as an extreme form of racism.

The 18-year old suspect is currently under guard in hospital.

A spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office said the youth had been armed with a high calibre weapon.

Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt called for calm.

"These horrible and cowardly crimes are a form of extreme racism," he said.

"We have to avoid our society being sucked into a spiral of violence. The police and the judicial system will do all that is needed for justice to be done."

The killings follow an attack last Saturday in the city of Bruges, in which a black Frenchman was left in a coma after being beaten up by a group of skinheads.

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Ahhh of course.

Trot out the hate crimes legislation.

This is far worse than any other crime.

Yawn.

I guess they have issues with Africans. I say off with
his head, that is racist

Ahhh of course.

Trot out the hate crimes legislation.

This is far worse than any other crime.

Yawn.typical responce. they are white, so it isnt a big deal, ha?

No Oki, the real anger is over the fact that brown on white crimes go so unreported in this country. Horrible, horrible crimes.

typical responce. they are white, so it isnt a big deal, ha?

Nope. I didn't say that. Nice strawman.

No Oki, the real anger is over the fact that brown on white crimes go so unreported in this country. Horrible, horrible crimes.

No those aren't classified as horrible crimes.

They are love crimes.

the skinhead shot a somalian woman, then the white kid she was looking after, and lateron a turkish woman.(shes still alive)
he bought his hunting gun that same morning, in belgium you can buy that if youre 18 and have an ID.


fenian and dude, okay if tahts the case, that sucks, all crimes like this are just as worse. no need to pretend though that this can pass under some hate crime law while it really isnt a big deal, because it is.
belgium is in a pretty dangerous place right now, theres been more violence between ethnic groups lately.

the skinhead shot a somalian woman, then the white kid she was looking after, and lateron a turkish woman.(shes still alive)
he bought his hunting gun that same morning, in belgium you can buy that if youre 18 and have an ID.


fenian and dude, okay if tahts the case, that sucks, all crimes like this are just as worse. no need to pretend though that this can pass under some hate crime law while it really isnt a big deal, because it is.
belgium is in a pretty dangerous place right now, theres been more violence between ethnic groups lately.

My point is why even post this at all?

who cares?

there is tons of violent, despicable immigrant on immigrant crime too.


why does this rate a discussion?

Is it because you are biased against white people?

You have some sort of guilt over your countries inability to deal with race?

why is this death [s] more important than what Joseph Kony is doing in Uganda?

I mean old Joe is a black African, so it is worse because the perp is white?

What kind of nonsense is this?

Is it even part of trend?

Is this the 40th person killed this year in this area because of "race".?

if youre not interested, dont read it
if you feel other incidents are important, make a thread of it
its interesting because it shows that belgium has a huge white-extremist problem. people only like to talk about muslim crime, well there is a counterpart.
in belgium there is now a discussion on how the rightwing extremist party, Vlaams belang, is stirring up hate. there is a muslim organisation as well that is stirring up hate, the arab league. the way things are going now, we might have an explosion there soon. this would effect opinions of people worldwise, and create more trouble.

if you feel other incidents are important, make a thread of it

I am not hijcking this thread. I am tired of people being judged guilty because of the color of their skin.

It is neither worse nor better nor more or less heinous that the perpetrators were white.

its interesting because it shows that belgium has a huge white-extremist problem.

Well of course, but not just Belgium. Even though Euros love to pontificate about American race relations there is no large group of white, skinhead youths that terrorize our minorities on a level anywhere near the rate of the Euros.

In other words Europe has failed within yet continues to try to highlight our problems.


Lame.


people only like to talk about muslim crime, well there is a counterpart.

First wouldn't you say that this board is dominated by Americans?

If so, then can you point to ONE single instance where a Muslim has been attacked in the US post-9/11?

But prior to 9/11 Germans had already been attacking Turks for years.


in belgium there is now a discussion on how the rightwing extremist party, Vlaams belang, is stirring up hate.

yes the Euros are extremist in silencing people. Like the English history professor that denies the holocaust gets prison time?

Bridgette Bardeaux (sp) similarly treated.

wow. Great. You can't deny the holocaust without going to jail? Yeah that is the way to alleviate "hate" speech.

Hate crime laws and hate speech laws are the failure of the social engineering cadres who have never solved a problem.



By doing this what will happen is that you will force these people further underground and most likely radicalize them.

It is bad policy and impinges on the rights that we are endowed with.

A murder isn't worse if you yell "n***** or cracker" when you do it.

It isn't more hatefilled.

there is a muslim organisation as well that is stirring up hate, the arab league. the way things are going now, we might have an explosion there soon.


Which further indicates that Euros in general have been following the wrong path.

What do you types want?

The right to be NOT offended?

Will that make the people that support hate crimes legislation feel better?






The point is that I don't understand why people point out the race of the perpetrator in order to insinuate some MORE sinister motive.

Here in the US most news casters won't even tell you if the perp is black, but they sure can't wait to tell you the perp was white.

yes the Euros are extremist in silencing people.







The point is that I don't understand why people point out the race of the perpetrator in order to insinuate some MORE sinister motive.

Here in the US most news casters won't even tell you if the perp is black, but they sure can't wait to tell you the perp was white.and how is that NOT silencing people, not even mentioning if its a race-motivated crime, because you have to be PC? to me, thats egnoring the simple facts, and preventing any discusion about the underlying issues.
you do make some good points, belgium has been blocking out the nationalists from any gouverning bodies, the socalled 'cordon sanitaire' and this only has made the party grow. holocaust laws are a remains from ww2, and are still in effect because the issue is still a sensitive one, much more then in teh US, who didnt go through a 5 year occupation and the murder of millions of jews.
and theres nothing strange about banning political movements that have idiologies that want to break down the system. any democracy does that, and yours too, by having a completely unaccessible political system.
and the US surely isnt less racially devided then europe.

[QUOTE]and how is that NOT silencing people, not even mentioning if its a race-motivated crime, because you have to be PC?

No. Political correctness is what the Euros have become extreme about.

You said earlier that you were just trying to balance out all the talk (which I don't see) of Muslim violence.

What is more pc than that?

lol.



to me, thats egnoring the simple facts, and preventing any discusion about the underlying issues.

Well then you don't have a problem if Euros repeal these laws that make holocaust denial a crime?


you do make some good points, belgium has been blocking out the nationalists from any gouverning bodies, the socalled 'cordon sanitaire' and this only has made the party grow.

But in an earlier post you seem to support marginalizing through any means the radical right parties.


holocaust laws are a remains from ww2, and are still in effect because the issue is still a sensitive one, much more then in teh US, who didnt go through a 5 year occupation and the murder of millions of jews.

5 years?

What difference does it make whether or not the US was occupied?

The point is that the anti-holocaust denial laws are wrong and limit speech to NO effect.

Leave the US out of this. We have our own problems.

I am saying that Europe even though suffering through the holocaust and Nazi occupation has utterly failed in their race relations. And part of that failure is BY LAW silencing (however whacky) opposing voices.

and theres nothing strange about banning political movements that have idiologies that want to break down the system. any democracy does that, and yours too, by having a completely unaccessible political system.

Name one democracy in Europe. No ... wait.... IN THE WORLD.




and the US surely isnt less racially devided then europe.

Europeans always have to go to this right?

Our race problems are really the fault of the European powers anyways. They brought the slaves. They killed the entire indigenous culture in Mexica, Central America and South America as well as the Caribbean.

Where is France in Haiti? That failed society is the fault, at least in part, of the French.

It is monumentally funny to me that the Euros always bring up the US when they are faced with the failures in their society.

On the other hand the American lefties always put Europe on such a high pedestal.

But should we implement (follow the Euros) on issues like abortion?

On hate speech laws?

On healthcare as it pertains to taking care of old people (ala France)>?

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No. Political correctness is what the Euros have become extreme about.

You said earlier that you were just trying to balance out all the talk (which I don't see) of Muslim violence.

What is more pc than that?

lol.

not more pc then not mentioning race at all, eventhough its a skinhead shooting 2 immigrants for fun. explane how that helps against anything?
Well then you don't have a problem if Euros repeal these laws that make holocaust denial a crime? I dont mind if they make an acception for nazis. Im hypocrit that way.
But in an earlier post you seem to support marginalizing through any means the radical right parties.
if their program respects the law, I have no problem with these people making a fool of themselves. nazis dont.5 years?

What difference does it make whether or not the US was occupied?

The point is that the anti-holocaust denial laws are wrong and limit speech to NO effect.

Leave the US out of this. We have our own problems.

I am saying that Europe even though suffering through the holocaust and Nazi occupation has utterly failed in their race relations. And part of that failure is BY LAW silencing (however whacky) opposing voices.
holland was occupied for 5 years.

the nazis destroyed all of europe and poeple here hate them. in the US, noone exept soldiers suffered under the nazis personally. they didnt destroy your houses and dragged away your neighbours. thats a difference.

and you started talking about the US, with your balck on white crime.

Name one democracy in Europe. No ... wait.... IN THE WORLD.
the Netherlands.

Europeans always have to go to this right?

Our race problems are really the fault of the European powers anyways. They brought the slaves.They killed the entire indigenous culture in Mexica, Central America and South America as well as the Caribbean.Where is France in Haiti? That failed society is the fault, at least in part, of the French.yes, basterds.

It is monumentally funny to me that the Euros always bring up the US when they are faced with the failures in their society.

On the other hand the American lefties always put Europe on such a high pedestal.

But should we implement (follow the Euros) on issues like abortion?

On hate speech laws?

On healthcare as it pertains to taking care of old people (ala France)>? so you think its monumentairily funny tha I say something about the US, and then spend some time doing the same about europe...now thats more funny, even.

[QUOTE=oki]not more pc then not mentioning race at all, eventhough its a skinhead shooting 2 immigrants for fun. explane how that helps against anything?
I dont mind if they make an acception for nazis. Im hypocrit that way.


In more ways than that it seems.

the nazis destroyed all of europe and poeple here hate them. in the US, noone exept soldiers suffered under the nazis personally. they didnt destroy your houses and dragged away your neighbours. thats a difference.


Boohoo. I don't care about this emotional touch-feely crap. I am not a stupid liberal, but a compassionate conservative.




the Netherlands.

the Netherlands IS not a democracy.






so you think its monumentairily funny tha I say something about the US, and then spend some time doing the same about europe...now thats more funny, even.


It is frigging hilarious to me to make Euros squirm.

If there societies were so perfect I could understand the constant criticisms and comparisons to the US but they are a failed state in almost all of the European Union.

It is only a matter of time before you start killing each other again.

fenianforever1689 - have you been here before under another name? You seem... familiar.

Mark

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In more ways than that it seems.

great awnser.Boohoo. I don't care about this emotional touch-feely crap. I am not a stupid liberal, but a compassionate conservative. oh yea I forgot, conservatives are like that..:rolleyes: only shows that what I wrote is true.the Netherlands IS not a democracy.lol, oh what is it then? It is frigging hilarious to me to make Euros squirm.

most people giggle if they have nothing real to say. If there societies were so perfect I could understand the constant criticisms and comparisons to the US but they are a failed state in almost all of the European Union.
rediculous, and again, youre the one attacking europe here. If there societies were so perfect I could understand the constant criticisms and comparisons to the US but they are a failed state in almost all of the European Union.

It is only a matter of time before you start killing each other again. I just posted a thread about a skinhead killing 2 people, tell me something new.