There have been a few threads on this already. Here's another one.

And also, Here's an extensive and informative FAQ on legalized and regulated prostitution in Nevada (http://www.sexuality.org/l/workers/nevada.html)

absolutely.

I don't know . I 'll have to think about this one .

Are you for real?

should probably be up to the states

Absolutely, What should be illegal is the government interfering in private affairs between 2 (or more - snicker) of-age, willing people that are not posing any danger to anyone else while they do their 'crime'.
Come on!
How can anyone label this a crime? If you are religious you can label it a sin, but in no way is it a crime to any logical thinking person.
It's a fact of life. Older than the laws of the land.
It's not even dirty or ugly. Many times it's a much more honest and respectful relationship than what goes on in many married bedrooms.
And much safer for both than what is found in bars or on the internet.

Where's the crime? There is no crime, except decent law-abiding folk being labeled criminals.
See that's a bad thing. You ought to respect the law.
But you work all week and pay taxes and go home alone and maybe get a hooker on saturday,that makes you a criminal.
You're honest, law-abiding, you volunteer to help other in your spare time, and once in while you have a little time to yourself, and you sit back and smoke a joint. You're a criminal.

Chripes, if we're all criminals, then how are we supposed to respect the law?
Back off the things that are personal choice, not hurtful to others.

Are you for real?


You talking to me ? yes I'm for real . I think it is a dangerous profession, but as long as they keep private and adults only, it will be safer then the street walking form . I think it would be safer for society too . They could be tested . But I still would have to think on it .

Absolutely not

Absolutely not

Without using religion to impose your views on others... Why?

Without using religion to impose your views on others...
Why?

Health reasons, plus it sends the wrong message to an impressionable youth to have it legalized. We have bad enough problems today with men (boys) treating women like scum, and that would only worsen with legalization.

(of course you would automatically throw religion into the mix, as anti-Christian bigots are wont to do)

should probably be up to the states

Well, it is. How do you feel about it for your state?

Health reasons,

Basing laws on the fact that something might be unhealthy is of course bullshit. Now you have to justify why sex, something that ranks very low in the list of thing that causes death is illegal, and things such as smoking and chemically treated foods arent. You also have to justify why we dont force people to work out, and why we dont have people follow a strict healthy diet, instead of the horrendous ones most people have today.


plus it sends the wrong message to an impressionable youth to have it legalized.

You dont think its a weird message to make guns legal, but sex illegal? Your saying that owning a tool that is soley used for killing is right, but something extremely pleasurable is wrong... Because guns are legal, are all children going to go out and buy one? No. Because ciggeretes are legal, are all children going to grow up to smoke? No. The list of course could go on and on. Because porn is legal, are all children going to grow up to watch it? No.

The burden lies in parents to teach their kids what is wrong and what is right, as it always does and should.


We have bad enough problems today with men (boys) treating women like scum, and that would only worsen with legalization.

Well... Um... I assume prostitution would work both ways--Where women could benefit as well as men. I dont understand why only men can objectify women, and why women who willingly make themselves objects are the victims.


(of course you would automatically throw religion into the mix, as anti-Christian bigots are wont to do)

Well, as I just pointed out your arguments are bullshit. You cant make up peoples minds for themselves regarding their own health. You cant say that it sends the wrong message to children when parents are the ones who are responsible for how their children grow up--Not government law. You cant say that it would make men treat women like scum... Because thats just completly unfounded. In prostitution the woman would have to be willing, as would men.

The only reason prostitution can be logically made illegal is a personal moral standpoint. Im assuming, since Iv known you for a long ****ing time CCC, your idealogy as a christian plays into this. And how am i anti-christian? Is that the way we methodists are percieved today?

You dont think its a weird message to make guns legal, but sex illegal?
Sex isn't illegal, prostitution is.




I support the legalization of prostitution if it's regulated.

Sex isn't illegal, prostitution is.

Prostitution is sex. Its consentual. The only thing is that someone gets a little extra for it. Besides, I was commenting mostly on the 'health' aspect of it. He's implying that it should be illegal b/c its unhealthy, which would be primarily the sexual aspect of it.

^And that little extra comes in the form of straight cash rather than the usual dinner, flowers, or ring :shrug:

Zing!

in the word of George Carlin "why make something illegal that is perfectly legal to give away." "fu*king is legal selling is legal why isn't selling fu*kig legal"?

Anotherthing with the children issue. Why must everything revolve around kids? I dont have kids nor do I plan in my life to ever have any why should I have to settle for this crap? Besides labeling kids as monkeys saying whatever is ok with society they must beleive is bullsh*t give children some credit that maybe they have thier own beleifes of morality and values. we all can't have the same morals and values thats what the parents and households do. In mareica you should have a CHOICEE if we do beleive in this whole free choice Bullsh*t that don't exist.

Basing laws on the fact that something might be unhealthy is of course bullshit. Now you have to justify why sex, something that ranks very low in the list of thing that causes death is illegal, and things such as smoking and chemically treated foods arent. You also have to justify why we dont force people to work out, and why we dont have people follow a strict healthy diet, instead of the horrendous ones most people have today.


You're full of bullshit, and if you've ever paid attention, I'm very much anti-smoking. And food is a necessity, sex is not, so you're bringing up another bullshit straw man.

You dont think its a weird message to make guns legal, but sex illegal? Your saying that owning a tool that is soley used for killing is right, but something extremely pleasurable is wrong... Because guns are legal, are all children going to go out and buy one? No.

Not a weird message at all. Guns are a necessary tool to defend oneself against an oppressive aggressor, whether a robber, a rapist, or an evil government agent. But of course you probably don't give a hoot if a woman is defenseless to a rapist. Sorry if I don't care for your strawmen arguments.

Because ciggeretes are legal, are all children going to grow up to smoke? No. The list of course could go on and on. Because porn is legal, are all children going to grow up to watch it? No.

No shit sherlock. I never said "all."

The burden lies in parents to teach their kids what is wrong and what is right, as it always does and should.

Which I'll have no problem doing. But of course people like you mock and harass people like me and my moral standards. Teacher union thugs, leftist politicians/activists, abortionists, and Hollywood idiots be damned.

Well... Um... I assume prostitution would work both ways--Where women could benefit as well as men. I dont understand why only men can objectify women, and why women who willingly make themselves objects are the victims.

I don't give women who engage in such actions a free pass either. Women can and do exploit men. But men are the primary aggressors and typically have used their power in a most-negative, harmful way towards the woman.

Well, as I just pointed out your arguments are bullshit.

You're as delusional as ever.

You cant make up peoples minds for themselves regarding their own health.

It is up to every individuals choice. But I will not give them license to engage in something that is harmful and not beneficial. They'll have to deal with the consequences of their actions on their own, whether society deems their activity legal or illegal. Right now it's illegal in most places, and if they choose to deal in illegal activities, then they'll have to face the consequences. You're free to work at changing the laws if you wish. I will not be helping you out in that endevour.

You cant say that it sends the wrong message to children when parents are the ones who are responsible for how their children grow up--Not government law.

Your opinion. I can say whatever I want. Parents do have responsibilities, but their authority is under constant attack by the very government forces that in many ways YOU support that I oppose. But, oh, on the occurances I try to use government for good (protecting our citizenry against hostile persons/invaders and dangerous practices that endanger our health and spread disease and misery), you get all uppity. Ahhhh, poor baby.

You cant say that it would make men treat women like scum... Because thats just completly unfounded. In prostitution the woman would have to be willing, as would men.

Whether the woman is willing or not doesn't mean squat to the mindset of the deviant man. A more permissive society allows for a more permissive mindset. Sorry if you can't grasp that concept.

The only reason prostitution can be logically made illegal is a personal moral standpoint. Im assuming, since Iv known you for a long ****ing time CCC, your idealogy as a christian plays into this.

I haven't always been a Christian, but I've never supported legalization of prostitution. Perhaps you could say there is a cultural Christian ideology that may play in this, and that may be true. But my socially conservative/socially responsible political ideology predated my Christianity and I rarely argue from a Christian perspective as I realize that many here don't believe in Christianity and quoting the Bible isn't going to sway them, particularly if they're prejudiced against Christianity. But I see the large picture and legalizing of certain things that have been traditionally forbidden, and in my opinion, the net effect is a huge negative. Obviously you believe the opposite. Such is life.

And how am i anti-christian? Is that the way we methodists are percieved today?

By your fruits...

debate me i dare you

You're full of bullshit, and if you've ever paid attention, I'm very much anti-smoking. And food is a necessity, sex is not, so you're bringing up another bullshit straw man.

You didnt really address my point that you cant regulat peoples health for them, but to address what you did say:

Food is a necessity, but most people consume far more then they need. If we regulated it, we could keep millions of people from dieing due to heart problems, and save thousands more from malnutrition. Why dont we do this? Because regulating what people do with themselves on a personal level is the most absurd intrusion of liberty, freedom and civil rights Iv ever heard of. And just because your anti-smoking, does that mean you think it should be illegal entirely?



Not a weird message at all. Guns are a necessary tool to defend oneself against an oppressive aggressor, whether a robber, a rapist, or an evil
government agent.

And sex is used for pleasure and procreation. Guns, however exist soley to kill and cause harm. So, your making something that is pleasureable illegal, but something that can only be ever used with intent to cause harm legal.


But of course you probably don't give a hoot if a woman is defenseless to a rapist. Sorry if I don't care for your strawmen arguments.

The **** does rape have to do with prostitution? Prostitution is the opposite of rape.

And just so you know, I loath few things more then men who force themselves on women in any manner--Especially taking advantage of drunken women. So **** your strawman, you ****ing hypocrite.



No shit sherlock. I never said "all."

Thats not the point. The point is that you cant say that because some children may be influenced by what is allowed doesnt mean that things that might generally be considered wrong by some to be illegal, if it doesnt affect them. You cant use children as your argument. That was my ****ing point.



Which I'll have no problem doing. But of course people like you mock and harass people like me and my moral standards. Teacher union thugs, leftist politicians/activists, abortionists, and Hollywood idiots be damned.

I have no problems with your morals or standards. However, its bullshit that you enforce your morals on everyone via the government. Two consenting adults should not be restricted to your moral standards.



It is up to every individuals choice. But I will not give them license to engage in something that is harmful and not beneficial.

How is sex anymore harmful and less beneficial then smoking? Do we outlaw ciggaretes?


I will not be helping you out in that endevour.

Its fine. I understand you care more about your personal standards and morals then you do about civil liberty's, and people having the right to do things that wouldnt affect you at all. Yet you choose to rule them.



Parents do have responsibilities, but their authority is under constant attack by the very government forces that in many ways YOU support that I oppose.

Are you shitting me? Are you ****ing Shitting me? I am arguing that we need to lessen government rule over the people, and your sitting here telling me that the government has the right to enforce regulations on how sex occures? You hypocrite. How about you give me some examples where i support government force.


But, oh, on the occurances I try to use government for good (protecting our citizenry against hostile persons/invaders and dangerous practices that endanger our health and spread disease and misery), you get all uppity. Ahhhh, poor baby.

Your arguing that guns, something that exist soley to kill and harm, should be legal to all. But that prostitution, something that exists soley for pleasure and possibly procreation should be illegal because of health concerns.

And im not even arguing that guns should be illegal. Im simply putting up the comparison. Your drawing the conclusion about my position on guns yourself.

You're full of bullshit, and if you've ever paid attention, I'm very much anti-smoking. And food is a necessity, sex is not, so you're bringing up another bullshit straw man.



Sex is not a necessity? Oh, honey, then I think maybe you're not doing it right.

I don't think there's any thing wrong with legalized prostitution. As Pony pointed out, there could be some regulation and regular testing, (for the health issues), and everyone could be nice and safe and clean.

Saying the man's religion plays a role in his judgement isnt demonstrating a logical fallacy unless your presuming there's something wrong with religion...

Saying the man's religion plays a role in his judgement isnt demonstrating a logical fallacy unless your presuming there's something wrong with religion...

Im not saying personal judgement, im saying his judgement of what others may do. His religious viewpoint shouldnt force others to live a certain way.

why. though, for example- is there a tacit assumption that a man's personal philosophy is ok to use for making such judgements?
You can't really say there isnt a need to control and limit people...we need law.

That doesn't imply we need religious law for secular purposes.

the rudiments of law are always in religion.Now we're a minority anyway.
The proper use of religion is to save and ennoble people-the use of law is to punish...

Sex is not a necessity? Oh, honey, then I think maybe you're not doing it right.

I don't think there's any thing wrong with legalized prostitution. As Pony pointed out, there could be some regulation and regular testing, (for the health issues), and everyone could be nice and safe and clean.

For men it is very much a necesity

Hmmmm, might be a fun summer job.....

You didnt really address my point that you cant regulat peoples health for them, but to address what you did say:

Food is a necessity, but most people consume far more then they need. If we regulated it, we could keep millions of people from dieing due to heart problems, and save thousands more from malnutrition. Why dont we do this? Because regulating what people do with themselves on a personal level is the most absurd intrusion of liberty, freedom and civil rights Iv ever heard of. And just because your anti-smoking, does that mean you think it should be illegal entirely?

I'm not interested in micro-managing peoples' lives. Leftists sure are though, and are ardent supporters of so-called sin taxes as ways to manipulate peoples' lives and of course to support big government programs.

And, yes, I wouldn't mind outlawing smoking.

And sex is used for pleasure and procreation.

No shit, Sherlock.

Guns, however exist soley to kill and cause harm.

Guns exist to defend my civil rights. That some people abuse that right is no reason to use your big government to deny me my right to self-defense while criminals, who don't follow your stupid gun laws, or evil government officials, would gladly love a defenseless population.

So, your making something that is pleasureable illegal, but something that can only be ever used with intent to cause harm legal.

Spin spin away.

The **** does rape have to do with prostitution? Prostitution is the opposite of rape.

You brought up guns. We were talking guns. I brought up self-defense in regards to guns. Try to follow along, OK?

And just so you know, I loath few things more then men who force themselves on women in any manner--Especially taking advantage of drunken women. So **** your strawman, you ****ing hypocrite.

Mmm-hmm.

Thats not the point. The point is that you cant say that because some children may be influenced by what is allowed doesnt mean that things that might generally be considered wrong by some to be illegal, if it doesnt affect them. You cant use children as your argument. That was my ****ing point.

And your point was pathetic. You should be used to it by now.

I have no problems with your morals or standards.

Tell me another lie.

However, its bullshit that you enforce your morals on everyone via the government. Two consenting adults should not be restricted to your moral standards.

If you say so. But sometimes these two consenting adults can cause the widespread disease of something like, say, HIV/AIDS. I remember when there was a huge firestorm in San Francisco when Randy Shilts (who was a homosexual and would later die of AIDS) advocated shutting down the "gay" bathhouses that consenting adults used and subsequently accelerated the spread of the disease (of course Shilts was called a traitor by the radical homosexual activists). Of course some people wanted to make it a political issue (blame Reagan and the evil Christians for something that consenting adults did) vs. a health issue, which it obviously was except to those with a radical homosexual agenda. And of course it wasn't just the consenting adults that were affected, but of course unsuspecting wives and people who received unscreened blood transfusions were the biggest victims. But, hey, it's all about two consenting adults. If it feels good, do it, to hell with the consequences. And the band played on.

How is sex anymore harmful and less beneficial then smoking? Do we outlaw ciggaretes?

I have no problem outlawing cigarettes.

Its fine. I understand you care more about your personal standards and morals then you do about civil liberty's

Bullfeces. I care about both. You care about neither. I'm not an anarchist. I favor limited, not zero government.

Are you shitting me? Are you ****ing Shitting me? I am arguing that we need to lessen government rule over the people, and your sitting here telling me that the government has the right to enforce regulations on how sex occures? You hypocrite. How about you give me some examples where i support government force.

I don’t keep a notebook of what each DA member supports, so remind me which of the following do you support... gun control, affirmative action, income taxation, “sin taxes,” redistribution of wealth, forced contributions into social security, forced contributions into universal health care, government indoctrination of our children, environmental regulations, campaign finance reform, “fairness doctrine,” diversity training, carpool lanes, speed limits…

you can get aids more easily picking up people from a bar or any place for that matter. Just because the person is a prostitute doesn't mean they are more of a risk for aids especialy if it is a CONTROLLED thing. In the countries that do have this legal aids and other disease is a very rare. Il ove how people still argue even though they have never been out of their hometowns nor been anywhere that live is lived a little bit differn't.

Sex is not a necessity?

Sex is not a necessity. Ice cream isn't a necessity either. But both are highly enjoyable.

But you ought to be wary of any man who says they can't live without it, for in my opinion that man is a potential rapist. Beware.

Oh, honey, then I think maybe you're not doing it right.

I'm not doing it at all. I will gladly engage in the activity when I am married. There is no reason for me to do it until I am in such a committed relationship.

women are differnt than men. we need it to releave stress, for you girls its an emotional thing.

What should be illegal is the government interfering in private affairs between 2 (or more - snicker) of-age, willing people that are not posing any danger to anyone else while they do their 'crime'.


Absolutely :nice:

And anyone who says prostitution should be illegal is an *******. Stop trying to control me!

Absolutely :nice:

And anyone who says prostitution should be illegal is an *******. Stop trying to control me!

:werd:

Bitches

Saying the man's religion plays a role in his judgement isnt demonstrating a logical fallacy unless your presuming there's something wrong with religion...

You know what? There IS something wrong with religion.

You believe that there is a God, and that you know what this God wants, and these beliefs are based on zero evidence. And then you use these beliefs as a reason to tell everybody what to do. It's bullshit, and I've lost all patience for it.

Sex is not a necessity. Ice cream isn't a necessity either. But both are highly enjoyable.

But you ought to be wary of any man who says they can't live without it, for in my opinion that man is a potential rapist. Beware.
^ That would indicate that most men are "potential rapists," because most guys I know would say they couldn't.

In fact, if deprived of women for long periods of time, as in prison or on a desert island or such, a not insignificant percentage will take up with other men.

I'm not doing it at all. I will gladly engage in the activity when I am married. There is no reason for me to do it until I am in such a committed relationship.
No one's suggesting you should do otherwise.

Aside from the main question here, I just wanted to share some thoughts. What amazes me is that in many parts of the world, prostitution and the sex slave industry are some of the worst problems out there... Women have no hope because once they are involved in the sex industry, it is hard for them to ever have a normal job, and usually they become damaged either emotionally, physically, spiritually, or all of the above, and it's probably one of the most degrading things a woman can get into.

There are many people, including people I know, who are going to other parts of the world and helping women who are involved in the sex industry, and telling them that there is hope, and helping them to get out of it, and helping them to get back their dignity. So it kinda blows me away when in our own country, some people are talking about supporting something that most people I know see as a serious problem, as something that hurts and degrades women, and something that usually leads to other societal problems.

But then, as I've said many many times, this is a messed up world we live in, so I shouldn't at all be surprised. :hmm:

The sex industry may be a terrible thing in places like Indonesia, but that's not because it's the sex industry. It's because it's Indonesia. The sex industry is alive and well in Amsterdam, and it doesn't cause nearly as many problems there. Care to explain that?

The sex industry in the rest of the world is not administrated the same way legalized prostitution is in the US, so that's not a valid comparison.

Aside from the main question here, I just wanted to share some thoughts. What amazes me is that in many parts of the world, prostitution and the sex slave industry are some of the worst problems out there... Women have no hope because once they are involved in the sex industry, it is hard for them to ever have a normal job, and usually they become damaged either emotionally, physically, spiritually, or all of the above, and it's probably one of the most degrading things a woman can get into.

There are many people, including people I know, who are going to other parts of the world and helping women who are involved in the sex industry, and telling them that there is hope, and helping them to get out of it, and helping them to get back their dignity. So it kinda blows me away when in our own country, some people are talking about supporting something that most people I know see as a serious problem, as something that hurts and degrades women, and something that usually leads to other societal problems.

But then, as I've said many many times, this is a messed up world we live in, so I shouldn't at all be surprised. :hmm:


I dont know what country your talking about. I have been to the Netherlands where it is legal and I met a worker who worked at the bank and did that along side to make extra money. No big deal no one forced her into it. You can't say its slavery when they into it with their own will.

The sex industry may be a terrible thing in places like Indonesia, but that's not because it's the sex industry. It's because it's Indonesia. The sex industry is alive and well in Amsterdam, and it doesn't cause nearly as many problems there. Care to explain that?

I think it hurts women no matter where it is happening, although it may be true that in some places there are more controls on physical safety. But I can't stress enough that EVERYTHING we do has consequences, and people may not believe or realize that now, but that doesn't change the reality.... everything we do or expose ourselves to has an effect on us and stays with us for years and years.

So yeah, this is one of the worst things for women (or anyone) to get involved with, and that's why I'm amazed that people want to bring more of that here. We should be helping women get an education and make something of their lives, instead of encouraging them to do something that often ends up killing their soul.

Making the dubious assumption that having sex for money "kills one's soul."

Uncle Pony is right.

You know what? There IS something wrong with religion.

You believe that there is a God, and that you know what this God wants, and these beliefs are based on zero evidence. And then you use these beliefs as a reason to tell everybody what to do. It's bullshit, and I've lost all patience for it.

It's hard to answer pure unadulerated hate like this-you dont consider the persisitence and endurance of the faith to be of any consequence?
If the world were turned on its head and we elevated your libertarian-
"freedom is the highest good" to our governing premise all of society would devolve into a gangster laden crap fest-I'm sorry,I prefer religion...

I think it hurts women no matter where it is happening, although it may be true that in some places there are more controls on physical safety. But I can't stress enough that EVERYTHING we do has consequences, and people may not believe or realize that now, but that doesn't change the reality.... everything we do or expose ourselves to has an effect on us and stays with us for years and years.

So yeah, this is one of the worst things for women (or anyone) to get involved with, and that's why I'm amazed that people want to bring more of that here. We should be helping women get an education and make something of their lives, instead of encouraging them to do something that often ends up killing their soul.

Just because you don't wanna do it, that doesn't justify you forcing everyone else not to do it. Some people LIKE to have sex for money.

It's hard to answer pure unadulerated hate like this-you dont consider the persisitence and endurance of the faith to be of any consequence?

No.

If the world were turned on its head and we elevated your libertarian-
"freedom is the highest good" to our governing premise all of society would devolve into a gangster laden crap fest-I'm sorry,I prefer religion...

I got news for you: everyone already IS free to do as they please. And they do it every day. There are prostitutes everywhere, they just have to operate below the radar of law enforcement. You can't control people, as much as you'd like to believe otherwise.

And if we adopted a libertarian philosophy to government, very little would change. People would just continue to do as they please, the only difference is that they wouldn't have to worry about people like you making life more difficult for them.

Just because you don't wanna do it, that doesn't justify you forcing everyone else not to do it. Some people LIKE to have sex for money.

Nice evading every point I made with that reply, Feenix! You can do better than that.

Nice evading every point I made with that reply, Feenix! You can do better than that.
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And if we adopted a libertarian philosophy to government, very little would change. People would just continue to do as they please, the only difference is that they wouldn't have to worry about people like you making life more difficult for them.

What? I'm not a cop. When I'm dealing with these folks-I mostly just listen-I may say "you should or shouldn't etc" but I want people to understand that God cares for them and is willing to help them work past their problems.
Sin is bad,it's a problem.

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Uh... interesting sig. :lol:

Are you a fan of Stalin, Metty?

Uh... interesting sig. :lol:

Are you a fan of Stalin, Metty?

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To all the "biblefreaks"...don't freak out:p ...prostitution is not the end of the world...it has always been here, it's here, and it will always be, legal or not, and your book, in fact, mentions the "oldest proffesion" quite a bit;) .

Sure bad things happen, and I'm not for what happens in some parts of Asia or even the "pimps" on the street, and no, we don't like disseases either...wow, what can we do?:confused:

Hey guys, I got news for you...the world does not rotate around your spirtual and religious beliefs, no matter what you or I think of prostitution personally (and I have never been with a prostitute before, I can tell you that much, nor do I have the plans to)...it's up to individuals to decide what is right for them, and a man or a woman gotta do what they gotta do.

And yes, you can't be anti-big government when you're gonna tell me that you want Uncle Sam to prevent me from smoking a cigarette, smoking a joint or having sex with the person I chose to.

Yes, I'm gonna smoke my cigarettes (usually when drunk), smoke my dope (happy 420 everybody:D ), and have sex with whoever the hell I want as long as she's over 17 and agrees to that, and if I decide to give her money for that, I'll do so because it is MY money, you hear me...not YOURS, but MINE...just like its HER body, not YOURS, and she will do what she wants with it, including use it to satisfy me, and possibly abort the fetus (if I forget to use a rubber:p ), and if she has bad consequences or if I have bad consequences...GUESS WHAT...it's OUR problems, and with personal rights come personal responsiblities, in other words...NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS THE FIRST PLACE!!!! And I got more news for you my friends...your buddy Uncle Sam can't do sh!t about it other than arrest 0.1% of us if he's lucky enough, so you might as well give up on the crusade (islamists are bad enough as it is) and accept the modern reality.

Ohhh, and finally, I got some more news...I'm no hypocrite on gun rights (I'm pro-second amendment) and I resepect whatever religious views you got...I consider myself a religious person (and unlike some of you, I'm not insecure in my God either, therefore I doubt I need to do his job;) ), and I totaly respect it if you personally believe that things like cigarettes, homosexuality, prostitution, alcohol, drugs are bad...GREAT...if you think sex and partying is bad alltogether...GREAT (I guess:hmm: )...I got a GREAT solution for your problems...DON'T SMOKE...DON'T DRINK...DON'T DO DRUGS...DON'T HAVE HOMOSEXUAL SEX...DON'T BUY GUNS...DON'T HAVE SEX WITH PROSTITUTES...and if you really must be that ridiculous...DON'T HAVE SEX!!...and we (the rest of us) will decide for ourselves:nice: :nice:

COOL?!:cool: :D

Making the dubious assumption that having sex for money "kills one's soul."

:nice: :nice:

well their are beneifts to legalising prostituition but a legalised prostituition i believe should be highly regulated with the prostitutes in question having reguklar tests for hiv and std's in order to achieve a license to practice

and then also i believe then more busts on prostitute who continue to practice prostituition illegally and harsher penalties for those who practice illegally

any attempt to legalise prostituition in my opinion needs to include hbarsher penalties for unlicensed prostitutes

plus also legalising prostituition would result in more business for accountants and thats not a bad thing in my opinion :D jk

i use the word practice in want for a better word. i don't intend to put prostitution on an equal footing with doctors, solicitors, accountants etc

All that's true for Nevada's prostitution industry.

Nice evading every point I made with that reply, Feenix! You can do better than that.

Your whole point was that prostitution destroys your soul :rolleyes: That's nonsense. YOU may find the thought of being a prostitute so depressing that to you it would feel like your soul as being destroyed, but guess what? NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU. So stop treating them like they should be.

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Thanx for contributing. :not:

What? I'm not a cop. When I'm dealing with these folks-I mostly just listen-I may say "you should or shouldn't etc" but I want people to understand that God cares for them and is willing to help them work past their problems.
Sin is bad,it's a problem.

Are you seriously that naieve?

It's people like you who made prostitution illegal. That's why the cops enforce it. You control the police with your votes. YOU are responsible for what they do while enforcing laws that you support!

"LEGALIZE IT, don't critisize it, legalize it, and I will advertise it":D :nice:

Are you seriously that naieve?

It's people like you who made prostitution illegal. That's why the cops enforce it. You control the police with your votes. YOU are responsible for what they do while enforcing laws that you support

Are you that naive? I vote democratic.I dont like their positions on these issues but the economic stuff is more important-the GOP is doing that stuff...

Whores should be locked up or simply deported to Europe where low lifes are always appreciated.

Yes.
It will exist, so I prefer it to exist when it's legal, well organized, clean, and when the rights and the savety of the workers and costumers are well protected.

ie, it should be a crime just because you don't like it. :rolleyes:

Whores should be locked up or simply deported to Europe where low lifes are always appreciated.

As if you would know about. Have you ever travel or been out of your state for that matter? Dont comment unless you have world experience to give a valid report

Whores should be locked up or simply deported to Europe where low lifes are always appreciated.

People who post hateful messages on Internet message boards about people who never did anythign to them should be shot in the balls.

Are you that naive? I vote democratic.I dont like their positions on these issues but the economic stuff is more important-the GOP is doing that stuff...

Last time I checked, legalizing prostitution was not on the Democrats' platform. And until people stop supporting prohibition, it'll never be on either of the major parties' platforms.

ie, it should be a crime just because you don't like it. :rolleyes:

I hate country music why can't ban that?

I hate people who have big hair. It's ugly, annoying, it serves no purpose, and it DESTROYS YOUR SOUL!!!!! :blas:

Last time I checked, legalizing prostitution was not on the Democrats' platform. And until people stop supporting prohibition, it'll never be on either of the major parties' platforms.

They characteristically take the liberal position in social issues-anyway you're not proving your point it's my fault.If I could keep prostitution from being legalized you'd think I could get paid a better wage...

yeah you bible people really get on my nerves why can't i have a mission to lock you up and ship you to holy land where you will be close to home?

fact is we have to live with each other and put up with things we may not like. only thing is on one is forcing you to join us. just dont interfeir

They characteristically take the liberal position in social issues-anyway you're not proving your point it's my fault.If I could keep prostitution from being legalized you'd think I could get paid a better wage...

No single raindrop thinks that it's responsible for the flood.

As if you would know about. Have you ever travel or been out of your state for that matter? Dont comment unless you have world experience to give a valid report

30 states, and 14 countries oh master of presumption. :rolleyes:

No single raindrop thinks that it's responsible for the flood.

If I had anyhing to do with inhibiting these sex workers I wouldnt be ashamed of it-me thinking it's bad doesnt = support

yeah you bible people really get on my nerves why can't i have a mission to lock you up and ship you to holy land where you will be close to home?

fact is we have to live with each other and put up with things we may not like. only thing is on one is forcing you to join us. just dont interfeir

I'll go to the Holy land when I can-as to interfering I stay out of your bars and massage parlors and pot parties-I dont want the police hassling you really-I dont think that's healthy for the community,and when I smell pot on someone's breath I stay quiet-what exactly do you think I'm doing?

If I had anyhing to do with inhibiting these sex workers I wouldnt be ashamed of it

Well you should be. Every time a prostitute gets raped and can't call the police for support, you should be ashamed of it. Every time a prostitute gets an STD because she lacks the facilities to check a man for warts before they have sex, you should be ashamed of it. Every time am innocent woman gets raped because the man couldn't find any other way to get his jollies, YOU should be ashamed of it! You should be ashamed of yourself in general for presuming that you have the authority to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own money and their own bodies!!

The ONLY reason we have laws against prostituion is because YOU and people like you support those laws. So every single time something bad happens as a result of those laws, YOU and every single person who supports those laws are personally responsible for it.

YOU should be ashamed of it! You should be ashamed of yourself in general for presuming that you have the authority to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own money and their own bodies!!

Once again-I don't presume that authority,you're foisting it on me.If I had the authority you're talking about I'd send the National Guard into the Inner city and break up the gangs and throw the damnable pimps in jail and put the
the little girls into some kind of rehab...

Well you should be. Every time a prostitute gets raped and can't call the police for support, you should be ashamed of it. Every time a prostitute gets an STD because she lacks the facilities to check a man for warts before they have sex, you should be ashamed of it. Every time am innocent woman gets raped because the man couldn't find any other way to get his jollies, YOU should be ashamed of it! You should be ashamed of yourself in general for presuming that you have the authority to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own money and their own bodies!!

The ONLY reason we have laws against prostituion is because YOU and people like you support those laws. So every single time something bad happens as a result of those laws, YOU and every single person who supports those laws are personally responsible for it.

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Once again-I don't presume that authority,you're foisting it on me.If I had the authority you're talking about I'd send the National Guard into the Inner city and break up the gangs and throw the damnable pimps in jail and put the
the little girls into some kind of rehab...

That's retarded...nobody would ever admit being a "pimp" or prostitute, since it's illegal, lol.

How about a libertarian solution...legalize prostitution, have the rich people buy the whores off the ghetto pimps...ghetto pimps will mostly run out of business, while the girls will get payed much more, have no violence against them, have less chance of getting and giving STDs, and of course it will be possible to tax it as well. How about that?

Once again-I don't presume that authority,you're foisting it on me.If I had the authority you're talking about I'd send the National Guard into the Inner city and break up the gangs and throw the damnable pimps in jail and put the
the little girls into some kind of rehab...

well if you don't think that your support for prohibition is the reason it's there, then why do you think we have laws against prostitution??

To all the "biblefreaks"...don't freak out:p ...prostitution is not the end of the world...it has always been here, it's here, and it will always be, legal or not, and your book, in fact, mentions the "oldest proffesion" quite a bit;) .

Sure bad things happen, and I'm not for what happens in some parts of Asia or even the "pimps" on the street, and no, we don't like disseases either...wow, what can we do?:confused:

Hey guys, I got news for you...the world does not rotate around your spirtual and religious beliefs, no matter what you or I think of prostitution personally (and I have never been with a prostitute before, I can tell you that much, nor do I have the plans to)...it's up to individuals to decide what is right for them, and a man or a woman gotta do what they gotta do.

And yes, you can't be anti-big government when you're gonna tell me that you want Uncle Sam to prevent me from smoking a cigarette, smoking a joint or having sex with the person I chose to.

Yes, I'm gonna smoke my cigarettes (usually when drunk), smoke my dope (happy 420 everybody:D ), and have sex with whoever the hell I want as long as she's over 17 and agrees to that, and if I decide to give her money for that, I'll do so because it is MY money, you hear me...not YOURS, but MINE...just like its HER body, not YOURS, and she will do what she wants with it, including use it to satisfy me, and possibly abort the fetus (if I forget to use a rubber:p ), and if she has bad consequences or if I have bad consequences...GUESS WHAT...it's OUR problems, and with personal rights come personal responsiblities, in other words...NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS THE FIRST PLACE!!!! And I got more news for you my friends...your buddy Uncle Sam can't do sh!t about it other than arrest 0.1% of us if he's lucky enough, so you might as well give up on the crusade (islamists are bad enough as it is) and accept the modern reality.

Ohhh, and finally, I got some more news...I'm no hypocrite on gun rights (I'm pro-second amendment) and I resepect whatever religious views you got...I consider myself a religious person (and unlike some of you, I'm not insecure in my God either, therefore I doubt I need to do his job;) ), and I totaly respect it if you personally believe that things like cigarettes, homosexuality, prostitution, alcohol, drugs are bad...GREAT...if you think sex and partying is bad alltogether...GREAT (I guess:hmm: )...I got a GREAT solution for your problems...DON'T SMOKE...DON'T DRINK...DON'T DO DRUGS...DON'T HAVE HOMOSEXUAL SEX...DON'T BUY GUNS...DON'T HAVE SEX WITH PROSTITUTES...and if you really must be that ridiculous...DON'T HAVE SEX!!...and we (the rest of us) will decide for ourselves:nice: :nice:

COOL?!:cool: :D



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Makes alot of sense.

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That's retarded...nobody would ever admit being a "pimp" or prostitute, since it's illegal, lol.

How about a libertarian solution...legalize prostitution, have the rich people buy the whores off the ghetto pimps...ghetto pimps will mostly run out of business, while the girls will get payed much more, have no violence against them, have less chance of getting and giving STDs, and of course it will be possible to tax it as well. How about that?


Makes sense too. But of course someone will be exploited and that leads to another can of worms, but of course there are other ways a person can be exploited in society.

Your whole point was that prostitution destroys your soul :rolleyes: That's nonsense. YOU may find the thought of being a prostitute so depressing that to you it would feel like your soul as being destroyed, but guess what? NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU. So stop treating them like they should be.


I feel like I'm arguing with a teenager here. Do you think you could stop ranting long enough to actually try thinking about things you don't like to think about? Instead of a knee-jerk reaction that someone is going against what matters to you?

First of all, I never stated whether I think prostitution should be legal or illegal. I have said that I'm amazed that some people want to encourage prostitution, why would you want to encourage something that harms women? You can stick your hands over your ears like a child and say "nonsense, it doesn't harm or degrade women!" but something tells me that you're basing your answer more on your own desires and preconceived ideas than on the truth.

Set aside the legal side of this for a moment and try thinking about this in a different way. You totally ignored my point that everything we do or expose ourselves to has consequences... The things we do now have ramifications that you might not realize until 10, 20 years later... but they are with you and at some point you will have to deal with things you thought were harmless at the time. You seem to be thinking soley about the physical side of this. You think that if the prostitutes are physically protected, then they're fine. No, they're not fine, aside from the fact that it's still putting women in physical danger, people are more than just physical beings, we have a non-physical us that gets damaged too, and those wounds are more serious than physical wounds because they stay with people for a lifetime. You can scoff at that if you want, but that is out of ignorance, and naivete. Yes, I said it, if you think that prostitution does not damage women (or male prostitutes too), then you are naive. You might be saying, 'even if that is true, it still should be legal because they are doing it willingly'... Well, if it is not good for society (and although I'm not going to get into that debate right now, I'm sure there are plenty more reasons why it is not than it is) then why encourage it?

As I said before, why not encourage women who feel they have no options that they do have options, encourage them to get an education, and a good career, or better yet, their true destiny?

Please, if you're going to reply, don't reply with a smart-aleck flippant response that brushes off all the things I brought up.

why would you want to encourage something that harms women?

How does prostitution harm women?


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Buttercup, you didn't answer the question: Should it be LEGAL or not?

We are not talking if it's "bad or good", or harms somebody, or moral or destructive or bad for some people.

Example: cigarettes are bad, weed is bad, fast food is bad, alcohol is bad...should it all be illegal because it's "bad"?

Do you or did you ever have ANY bad habbits like that? If so, it was still your choice and as long as it directly doesn't harm anybody you had the right to do what you wanted to do, right? Well, if a woman wants to make money off sleeping with some guys...why shouldn't she do it, other than because it's "bad and harmful" in your opinion?

Buttercup, you didn't answer the question: Should it be LEGAL or not?

We are not talking if it's "bad or good", or harms somebody, or moral or destructive or bad for some people.

Example: cigarettes are bad, weed is bad, fast food is bad, alcohol is bad...should it all be illegal because it's "bad"?

Do you or did you ever have ANY bad habbits like that? If so, it was still your choice and as long as it directly doesn't harm anybody you had the right to do what you wanted to do, right? Well, if a woman wants to make money off sleeping with some guys...why shouldn't she do it, other than because it's "bad and harmful" in your opinion?

Come on Ganja man Weed is the safest of any drug out there. Legal and bad are two differnt things if we want to make everything unhealty and a potential to get bad then thats another thing. We should close all bars sex shops and no more cigars or tobbaco of any kind. We should not pick and choose which things we can and can't have just because a few don't like it personaly. Don't legisalte TASTE

Come on Ganja man Weed is the safest of any drug out there. Legal and bad are two differnt things if we want to make everything unhealty and a potential to get bad then thats another thing. We should close all bars sex shops and no more cigars or tobbaco of any kind. We should not pick and choose which things we can and can't have just because a few don't like it personaly. Don't legisalte TASTE

I agree 100%:nice: :nice:

There are degrees to consider-really to say smoking or even drinking is on the same level as prostitution is silly.
exchanging body fluids renders your system vulnerable to nasty stuff...

There are degrees to consider-really to say smoking or even drinking is on the same level as prostitution is silly.
exchanging body fluids renders your system vulnerable to nasty stuff...

ever heard of a rubber. no one is saying bareback sex. Its just as gross if you were to pick up a girl at a bar and not use anything.

ever heard of a rubber. no one is saying bareback sex. Its just as gross if you were to pick up a girl at a bar and not use anything.

You're placing a young girl in a very vulnerable position whether a condom is used or not.Sex is a very intimate thing.
Do you see American civilizatioon making the advances it made before since this stuff has recieved all this emphasis? People start thinking about sex everything else goes out the window.Sublimation for the win.

I'm not interested in micro-managing peoples' lives. Leftists sure are though, and are ardent supporters of so-called sin taxes as ways to manipulate peoples' lives and of course to support big government programs.

Would you care to elaborate on 'leftist ardent support of sin taxes as ways to manipulate peoples lives and support big government'?



And, yes, I wouldn't mind outlawing smoking.

Thats bullshit. Complete bullshit. I hate smoking, but Im not arrogent enough to say whether or not people should be allowed to do it. I think there should be harsher restrictions regarding smoking during pregnancy and around children, but Im hardly pompous enough to, nor do i loath civil liberties enough to say people simply shouldnt be allowed to smoke tobacco.



No shit, Sherlock.

Well, you seem to think that having sex for anything but free is a sin, which would imply theres something wrong with it.



Guns exist to defend my civil rights. That some people abuse that right is no reason to use your big government to deny me my right to self-defense while criminals, who don't follow your stupid gun laws, or evil government officials, would gladly love a defenseless population.

.... And yet again, you pull out your strawman. Nowhere have I said I am for outlawing guns, now have I? Yet you keep saying 'Your stupid gun laws'.You keep trying to argue that you can buy a gun for a purpose other then to harm/kill or harm. That is the only reason a gun exists. It doesnt exist to change the T.V. channel, it doesnt exist to give you a nicotine fix or give you physical pleasure. It exists to inflect pain or destruction in other beings.



Spin spin away.

The reason this is your only rebuttle is b/c Im correct.



You brought up guns. We were talking guns. I brought up self-defense in regards to guns. Try to follow along, OK?

.... Your right. We should give every teenage girl a gun at all times so she can defend herself from rape. Well, all women for that matter. And all men, as they can of course be raped too. H



And your point was pathetic. You should be used to it by now.
Tell me another lie.

*sigh* Its funny, b/c you cant even bring up arguments. Alls you can do is say 'your wrong'. I may as well be arguing with an 8 year old.



If you say so. But sometimes these two consenting adults can cause the widespread disease of something like, say, HIV/AIDS.

How, any more so then what exists today? Its free right now, and thats the only way you can have it. Your argument is that if people had to pay for it, they are more likely to have it. Its absurd. Also, there are preventive measures as well as testing for HIV/AIDS. Also, you cant tell people what risks they can and cant take with there own body. Your as bad as the system your always bitching about when you try to control others lives. Hypocrite.


I have no problem outlawing cigarettes.

Im glad to see you'll admit your absence of respect or concern for civil liberties and freedoms guranteed to citizens of the US. If you dont like it, we should ****ing ban it.



Bullfeces. I care about both. You care about neither. I'm not an anarchist. I favor limited, not zero government.

You favor limited in respects that things you dont approve of be not allowed. I dont approve of eating Cheese, because that shit is absolutly, god awful for you. Far worse then smoking. However, Im not pathetic enough to think that b/c I know it would save lives, it should be outlawed.

The difference between me and you is you feel you have the right to moderate what people do with themselves. I dont feel that way. I feel you have the right to moderate the way people affect eachother in unwilling ways. However, if two people are willing to have sex for money, why the **** do you feel you can say that they dont have the right to do this? Why do people not have the right to do with their bodys what they choose? Since when does the government have a right to choose what goes inside its citizens bodys?

Your just a complete hypocrite. Admit it.

Im not about to list all of the positions I hold on politics. If you actually concerned with my views in these areas feel free to PM me, or start a new thread.

Let me say this much though: Im OK with people doing anything they wish to themselves, so long as it affects only them.

Many things are intimate but commercialized, without evidence of mitigating harm.

In fact, sex transacted through legalized prositution is physiologically safer than most other sex acts, due to the continual medical examinations.

For instance, no prostitute in Nevada has ever been found HIV+.

I agree 100% with CowPunk and SwiftSloth:nice: :nice:

According to current evidence, roughly half of the street prostitutes in Washington, D.C., and New York City are HIV-positive. In Newark, New Jersey, the estimate is that close to 60% of all prostitutes carry the AIDS virus. Yet, in the relatively "free market" of Nevada, where prostitution is legal, not one (as of 1989) of the state-licensed prostitutes has ever tested positive for AIDS.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1293e.asp

an article about legal prostitution in Europe

http://www.atyourpace.com/book/workinggirls.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05146/510877.stm

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Let me say this much though: Im OK with people doing anything they wish to themselves, so long as it affects only them.

Prostitution requires at least 2 people.Legalizing is in part also legitimatizing-so all these people who dont want to be troubled to raise their young daughters feel okay with throwing them out into the street.
Why do you people feel uncomfortable with the concept that some acts are unclean and some acts should be reserved for certain controlled circumstances?

Because that's a moral value judgement on your part that's inappropriate to raise to the level of public policy.

It's religion disguised as law, as there's no rational reason for a prohibition.

Because that's a moral value judgement on your part that's inappropriate to raise to the level of public policy.

It's religion disguised as law, as there's no rational reason for a prohibition.

Ah, but isn't all law based on moral values that often reflect religious "rational reasoning?"

I don't think the two are as seperable as the US constitution would have us believe.

However, rational, religious, or legal, no prohibition will ever be any more effective than prohibing liquor sales or the "war on drugs." The best alternative is regulation.

Would you care to elaborate on 'leftist ardent support of sin taxes as ways to manipulate peoples lives and support big government'?

Of course however I answer, you'll respond in one of two ways, as you are wont to do on this thread: "bullshit" or "hypocrit." But I'll go on and play your little game anyway.

Example:
In California, the leftists pushed and passed Proposition 10, the 50-cent cigarette tax. That money has been used to fund a special government program, The First 5 California Children and Families Commission, with many goals in mind. One of these is advocating and advertising, with this tax money, an initiative on the June ballot... "free" preschool for all. An expansion of government services, designed to target children and get them into public schools at an earlier age, to indoctrinate them earlier and away from parents and private schooling, to raise more teachers union money to spend on more leftist causes. It's a devious snowball effect and people like me see right through them.

Thats bullshit. Complete bullshit.

If I answered that I didn't want to ban smoking, you'd call me a hypocrite. Answering the oppose, you call "bullshit." Obviously no matter what I say, unless bow down and agree with your views 100%, I won't win in your eyes. Doesn't matter to me if I meet your narrow approval or not. All I care about is truth and if you don't like my truth, that's your problem.

I hate smoking, but Im not arrogent enough to say whether or not people should be allowed to do it. I think there should be harsher restrictions regarding smoking during pregnancy and around children, but Im hardly pompous enough to, nor do i loath civil liberties enough to say people simply shouldnt be allowed to smoke tobacco.

OK, I have you on record as support government involvement in one matter. Good, good. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

I do find it curious how you support harsh restrictions during pregnancy when you don't support the civil rights (right to life) of the fetus, after all, it's just a blob of unviable tissue in your eyes, so what harm is there in your logic? Hypocrite.

.... And yet again, you pull out your strawman. Nowhere have I said I am for outlawing guns, now have I? Yet you keep saying 'Your stupid gun laws'.

...and it was YOU who pulled out the gun straw man to begin with, to say how much more dangerous guns are as opposed to prostitution or smoking or whatever the heck we're talking about now. If you don't support all the gun laws, you have a funny way of showing it with your straw man against guns.

You keep trying to argue that you can buy a gun for a purpose other then to harm/kill or harm. That is the only reason a gun exists. It doesnt exist to change the T.V. channel, it doesnt exist to give you a nicotine fix or give you physical pleasure. It exists to inflect pain or destruction in other beings.

Most of the time, guns are never shot when used. Most of the time they exist to stop SOMEBODY ELSE from inflicting pain, destruction, or death. Do you not believe in self-defense?

The reason this is your only rebuttle is b/c Im correct.

Like when you scream "bullshit! bullshit!" Spare me. :rolleyes: Sometimes your arguments are so far off and convoluted, they aren't worth bothering with.

.... Your right. We should give every teenage girl a gun at all times so she can defend herself from rape. Well, all women for that matter. And all men, as they can of course be raped too. H

Glad you're coming around.

*sigh* Its funny, b/c you cant even bring up arguments. Alls you can do is say 'your wrong'. I may as well be arguing with an 8 year old.


Mmm...hmmm... Feels like I'm the one talking to an 8-year old. This is going nowhere.

How, any more so then what exists today? Its free right now, and thats the only way you can have it. Your argument is that if people had to pay for it, they are more likely to have it.

Not my argument. Don't project.

Also, you cant tell people what risks they can and cant take with there own body.

Sure I can.

Your as bad as the system your always bitching about when you try to control others lives. Hypocrite.

You're the hypocrite. I'm quite comfortable in my consistency, despite your feeble straw men attempts.

Your just a complete hypocrite. Admit it.

Never. To say so would be a lie.

Im not about to list all of the positions I hold on politics.

Of course not. Can't have you on record so I can knock down your hypocrisy one-by-one. I took up your challenge (knowing all you'd do is yell "hypocrite" and "bullshit"). You skedaddled when I challenged you. Buh-bye.

I'm just about done with this thread. This thread is thick with straw, I could feed a ranch of horses. I've said my piece and if you don't like it, you're free to disagree and work to change the existing laws. Peace.

Answering the oppose, you call "bullshit." Obviously no matter what I say, unless bow down and agree with your views 100%, I won't win in your eyes. Doesn't matter to me if I meet your narrow approval or not. All I care about is truth and if you don't like my truth, that's your problem

You sound like a dame.

Of course however I answer, you'll respond in one of two ways, as you are wont to do on this thread: "bullshit" or "hypocrit." But I'll go on and play your little game anyway.

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Example:
In California, the leftists pushed and passed Proposition 10, the 50-cent cigarette tax. That money has been used to fund a special government program, The First 5 California Children and Families Commission, with many goals in mind. One of these is advocating and advertising, with this tax money, an initiative on the June ballot... "free" preschool for all. An expansion of government services, designed to target children and get them into public schools at an earlier age, to indoctrinate them earlier and away from parents and private schooling, to raise more teachers union money to spend on more leftist causes. It's a devious snowball effect and people like me see right through them.

Thats Sin tax? Cant say I really care for it.


If I answered that I didn't want to ban smoking, you'd call me a hypocrite.

Well, you are. Thats the point. We're all hypocrites to a degree, but your pretty blatent about what suites you and what doesnt.


OK, I have you on record as support government involvement in one matter. Good, good. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

In a matter involving an unwilling subject being caused extreme harm? Yes, Im find with the government protecting that subject.


I do find it curious how you support harsh restrictions during pregnancy when you don't support the civil rights (right to life) of the fetus, after all, it's just a blob of unviable tissue in your eyes, so what harm is there in your logic? Hypocrite.

Hmmm..... I didnt know that thats how I looked at Fetus's. Well.... Wait a second, I dont. You couldnt be more wrong.


...and it was YOU who pulled out the gun straw man to begin with, to say how much more dangerous guns are as opposed to prostitution or smoking or whatever the heck we're talking about now. If you don't support all the gun laws, you have a funny way of showing it with your straw man against guns.

All gun laws? I do support gun laws. I dont think guns should be sold by street corner vendors. My statement was an example in a long list of examples--We allow many things harmful to health to go on in this country. Gun selling being one of them. If you dont think a lot of guns sold are going to end up killing people your a fool. But its a risk that goes along wth the way society is.


Most of the time, guns are never shot when used. Most of the time they exist to stop SOMEBODY ELSE from inflicting pain, destruction, or death. Do you not believe in self-defense?

Then a gun is not being used. Why not just have a fake gun then, if you dont intend on using it? A fake gun doesnt exist to kill.



Like when you scream "bullshit! bullshit!" Spare me. :rolleyes: Sometimes your arguments are so far off and convoluted, they aren't worth bothering with.

This coming from he who could only say 'spin spin away'. When I say Bullshit, I follow it up with statements of why I think what I do. I actually offer up a statement. You just disregard my argument entirely, because you appearintly have the mindset of an 8 year old in a lot of ways.


Mmm...hmmm... Feels like I'm the one talking to an 8-year old. This is going nowhere.

Im not the one who thinks he can control the lives of others. Thats a childs sentiment. Growth is knowing that people have to grow up and making choices on there own, indipindently. They dont need to be told by the government what to think and what to do. They dont need to be told whats right and wrong. They need books and time.



Sure I can.

Well, then you admit you have no respect for personal freedom and civil liberties. You have no respect for people making indipindent choices, making mistakes on there own and learning from them. When you say that you can tell people what to do, and whats worse, when you think you have the right to have it be enforced by law, your showing that your perfectly fine with big government so long as its supporting your views. Its just when they go against it that you have a problem.

Hence, your total hypocrisy CCC.



Of course not. Can't have you on record so I can knock down your hypocrisy one-by-one. I took up your challenge (knowing all you'd do is yell "hypocrite" and "bullshit"). You skedaddled when I challenged you. Buh-bye.

I have no respect for this 'Well, you dont like what Im saying so rather then debate you Im leaving' sentiment thats so often displayed here.


I'm just about done with this thread. This thread is thick with straw, I could feed a ranch of horses.

Please. Your the one stating my positions on things. That im anti-christian despite being a christian. That I consider fetus's blobs of tissue, despite my opposition to abortion. That Im appearintly for banning guns, that I believe in Sin Taxes, and countless other positions I dont hold.

Yet again, your just proving your hypocrisy mate. The only reason I have to keep repeating it, is because you keep proving it.

I've said my piece and if you don't like it, you're free to disagree and work to change the existing laws. Peace.

I can respect statements like this.

Of course however I answer, you'll respond in one of two ways, as you are wont to do on this thread: "bullshit" or "hypocrit." But I'll go on and play your little game anyway.

You two dames would feel a whole lot better if you both had a nice tall Sloe Gin Fizz.

You're placing a young girl in a very vulnerable position whether a condom is used or not.Sex is a very intimate thing.
Do you see American civilizatioon making the advances it made before since this stuff has recieved all this emphasis? People start thinking about sex everything else goes out the window.Sublimation for the win.

Anything can be dangerous if you are careless. Pretty much all of the legal Prostitutes are very sanitary. Ever seen Penn & Tellers bullshit show on HBO. They followed an escourt. She would strip the bed put new sheets on shower and have rubbers. Sex is sex you can play it safe or not wheter there is money involved or not should not matter.

I like Penn and Teller-I wouldnt go to them for advice but that's neither here nor there...I'm having trouble with this feeling that you're toying with me with these outlandish arguments.
It's not even natural for people to be comfortable being naked in each others company-you will doubtless pretend that if it weren't for oppressive social convention you'd get in your car every day and go to work nude :rolleyes:

Well I can tell your from personal experience the legal hookers are a whole differnt thing that the street crap. Amsterdam has their sh*t together

i love the dutch.



not a testimonial though...

Well, it is. How do you feel about it for your state?
Well considering it's not legal in all counties of NV, wouldn't it be a county issue as well as a state one?

Yes, provisionally. Prostitutes should be kept in their proper place rather than held up as role models such as pop divas and actresses. They should be placed under the management of madams who must be organized in trade assemblies and directly report to the government. Such a managed caste of sexual servants is needed to satisfy bestial cravings but otherwise, women and men alike should be encouraged to choose serious partners based on intellectual compatibility and to use their brains rather than bodies to get ahead in life.

Yes, provisionally. Prostitutes should be kept in their proper place rather than held up as role models such as pop divas and actresses. They should be kept under the management of madams who must be organized in trade assemblies and directly report to the government. Such a managed caste of sexual servants is needed to satisfy bestial cravings but otherwise, women and men alike should be encouraged to choose serious partners based on intellectual compatibility and to use their brains rather than bodies to get ahead in life.

^ This proposition bears the elusive Metty stamp o' approval.

^ This proposition bears the elusive Metty stamp o' approval.I am truly honored, Mlle. Luss!

You believe that there is a God, and that you know what this God wants, and these beliefs are based on zero evidence. And then you use these beliefs as a reason to tell everybody what to do. It's bullshit, and I've lost all patience for itFirst off, the Bible is pretty clear, if you wan't it you can have it.It is your choice. As far as zero evidence,you better look again,there is alot of evidence. I also believe there is a Devil.Their are alot of people that take the Bible wrong, I am sorry you havent met the right people,or read the Word,then make a Judgement.
As far as Prostitution is concerned, legalized is much different than illegal.The State has no soul,so it could legalize it.I still believe that street prostitution would thrive,but it would be much safer.They would be paying taxes,we could use on health care.

Now prostitution,that is on the street, I don't wan't that. Its nasty,gross,sick.It spreads disease, deadly diseases.It attracts junkies,and lowers the property values.The crime increases,businesses pull out,then you have empty buildings,and thugs,rats.And condoms do not stop all diseases they are just finding that out.Shingles,which are spreadable through hand to hand contact,clothes.Mono is spread through drinking.Syphillis, through the skin,mucous membranes,sneezing,infection may last for years.Gonorrhea,Chancroid,genital herpes,genital warts, did I mention Intestinal infections,these little parasites hang out on your anus

You have prostitution masquerading as supposedly legitimate relationships. My friend use to live by a shopping mall in a very prominent part of southern California(south orange county) Every now and then we would go to the mall to one of the restaurants and have a drink. We would also notice some of the people passing by as we were having our drinks. Often at times we would see a real nice fine young lady with an older bag of bones on a shopping spree(bags in their hands) We would see many of the same fine young ladies with different men(on different days sometimes on the same day) doing the same thing over and over again. And we would eventually see them with a person that was their age. You can't tell me sex is not involved. This is going on all over the country wherever you have a large community that has wealth to it's name.

Prostitution is an honest profession

Stone the sluts to death.

You have prostitution masquerading as supposedly legitimate relationships.Excellent point. Prostitution is much more common than statistics based on the narrowest definition would suggest. The essence of prostitution is using one's sexuality at least in good part for material gain. This path continues to be followed by a great many women, not merely a few. The situation will not change barring a serious restructuring (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1288999&postcount=98) of society, its preferences and its priorities.

Excellent point. Prostitution is much more common than statistics based on the narrowest definition would suggest. The essence of prostitution is using one's sexuality at least in good part for material gain. This path continues to be followed by a great many women, not merely a few. The situation will not change barring a serious restructuring (http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1288999&postcount=98) of society, its preferences and its priorities.

Take it a step further. You have many marriages that amount to nothing but basically monogamous prostitution. If the relationship is predicated on sustaining of lifestyle and materialistic gathering sprees as a condition to keep the relationship going it's still prostitution. We have many relationships like this in our society than we would like to think.

Yes, just like with drugs, it's the illegality that causes the crime, diseases, and out on the street nature of these things.

If you love keeping pimps, dealers, and cartels in business, keep supporting prohibition!

You have many marriages that amount to nothing but basically monogamous prostitution.This is true. Even more amount to prostitution and only pretend to be monogamous. Introduce the lie detector and women are much more likely to admit to cheating. This is further confirmed by paternity tests which reveal a large proportion of "bastard" offspring even from married women. In various arrangements even the pretense of monogamy melts away: think Hugh Hefner with his harem, music, movie and sports stars with their groupies. By his own account, Wilt Chamberlain slept with over 20,000 women. He said: "I was just doing what was natural — chasing good-looking ladies, whoever they were and wherever they were available." And women gladly oblige in droves -- including many who doubtless would claim to oppose prostitution. If the relationship is predicated on sustaining of lifestyle and materialistic gathering sprees as a condition to keep the relationship going it's still prostitution. We have many relationships like this in our society than we would like to think.This is true. All too many women continue to focus on sexually attracting men rather than succeeding first and foremost in their own right.

Not a single woman has won a Nobel in Physics or Chemistry since 1964. Since 1901 women have made up two percent of the Nobel laureates in Chemistry, four percent in Medicine, and merely one percent in Physics. This should be no surprise with women so widely prioritizing their beauty (sex appeal) over their brains and society feeding the vicious cycle.

Ah, but isn't all law based on moral values that often reflect religious "rational reasoning?"
Revealed religious principle & the rational basis of law are mutually exclusive.

I don't think the two are as seperable as the US constitution would have us believe.
Your opinion. That's all.

However, rational, religious, or legal, no prohibition will ever be any more effective than prohibing liquor sales or the "war on drugs." The best alternative is regulation.
Agreed.

Revealed religious principle & the rational basis of law are mutually exclusive.One problem with this dichotomy is that America's "rational basis of law" isn't. That legal system is predicated on assumptions which, in reality, amount to leaps of faith. There is also no clear-cut line where "revelation" ends and "rationality" begins. The "truths" of the Declaration of Independence are taken as self-evident, i.e., on faith, and God is specifically invoked as their basis. This pattern repeats itself: even with all the "logic" and "reason," the fundamental assumptions are very much matters of faith.

Hardly - revealed principle is predicated on authority; rational principles are simply present to the intellect.

They're mutually exclusive. Something can't be self-evident AND sourced on someone else's say-so at the same time.

This is true. Even more amount to prostitution and only pretend to be monogamous. Introduce the lie detector and women are much more likely to admit to cheating. This is further confirmed by paternity tests which reveal a large proportion of "bastard" offspring even from married women. In various arrangements even the pretense of monogamy melts away: think Hugh Hefner with his harem, music, movie and sports stars with their groupies. By his own account, Wilt Chamberlain slept with over 20,000 women. He said: "I was just doing what was natural — chasing good-looking ladies, whoever they were and wherever they were available." And women gladly oblige in droves -- including many who doubtless would claim to oppose prostitution. This is true. All too many women continue to focus on sexually attracting men rather than succeeding first and foremost in their own right.

Not a single woman has won a Nobel in Physics or Chemistry since 1964. Since 1901 women have made up two percent of the Nobel laureates in Chemistry, four percent in Medicine, and merely one percent in Physics. This should be no surprise with women so widely prioritizing their beauty (sex appeal) over their brains and society feeding the vicious cycle.

^ A great post deserving to be carried over to the next page, that's.

We, unlike the reactionary Steve Sailerite horde, must bear in mind that the situation you describe can radically change if society is radically changed.

Hardly - revealed principle is predicated on authority; rational principles are simply present to the intellect.What if principles "present to [my] intellect" contradict those present to yours? What makes yours right and mine wrong, or vice versa, other than a leap of faith? Something can't be self-evident AND sourced on someone else's say-so at the same time.How is it "self-evident" that humans are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights? This is faith coated in a very thin veneer of "reason."

Yes and No

On a purely emotional level(mine) I find it quite sad that people feel they have to PAY for sex.

I believe that legalizing it would create a SAFERr atmosphere if legalization was accompanied by continued enforcement against illegal prostitution

On the other hand I believe there is too much goverment control of behavior. I am totally against many of the laws that have been enacted where supposedly the GOVERNMENT knows what is best for ME

the situation you describe can radically change if society is radically changed.Amen, Mademoiselle!

What if principles "present to [my] intellect" contradict those present to yours? What makes yours right and mine wrong, or vice versa, other than a leap of faith?
It's hardly a leap of faith to suggest that 2+2=4 - it's an a priori fact.

How is it "self-evident" that humans are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights? This is faith coated in a very thin veneer of "reason."
It can certainly be placed on firmly secular footing, as in Dershowitz's Rights Come from Wrongs.

Stone the sluts to death.

I find it incredibly ironic that this post was made by someone who calls him/herself "Living Love"

First off, the Bible is pretty clear, if you wan't it you can have it.It is your choice. As far as zero evidence,you better look again,there is alot of evidence. I also believe there is a Devil.Their are alot of people that take the Bible wrong, I am sorry you havent met the right people,or read the Word,then make a Judgement.
As far as Prostitution is concerned, legalized is much different than illegal.The State has no soul,so it could legalize it.I still believe that street prostitution would thrive,but it would be much safer.They would be paying taxes,we could use on health care.

Now prostitution,that is on the street, I don't wan't that. Its nasty,gross,sick.It spreads disease, deadly diseases.It attracts junkies,and lowers the property values.The crime increases,businesses pull out,then you have empty buildings,and thugs,rats.And condoms do not stop all diseases they are just finding that out.Shingles,which are spreadable through hand to hand contact,clothes.Mono is spread through drinking.Syphillis, through the skin,mucous membranes,sneezing,infection may last for years.Gonorrhea,Chancroid,genital herpes,genital warts, did I mention Intestinal infections,these little parasites hang out on your anus


Well thjere are alot of people that dont share your beleifs so why should we conform?

I find it incredibly ironic that this post was made by someone who calls him/herself "Living Love"
Then you'll find the rest of her posts equally ironic. :rolleyes:

Keep the government out of people's pants..

Nonsense, Prostitution is a result of Capitalism and the repression of the proletariat in-general and women specifically. Prostitution has a long history of Pre-Feudal, Feudal and Capitalist existance, but once Socialism was established in the People's Republic of China, it disappeared. Prostitution is a very repressive instrument that many women are forced into as a result of economic warfare against them. You will note that only when the People's Republic went Revisionist and reinstated Capitalism that prostitution began to exist once more when during the Cultural Revolution and before, it was completely eradicated. The DPRK sees no signs of prostitution at all, that is because they have ended the tools of repression against women and overthrown the bourgeois and capitalism.

Monogamy is only a tool of repression and exploitation when one partner cheats or uses the other. It is only natural that people will escape their animal needs as the economic situations and productive forces grow and they will instill a firm and equal system of relationship based on true equal monogamy and not a man-dominating system where the women in such relationships have no say. The DPRK and PRC both did this in encouraging Socialist morality and you can note that the tendancy towards "free love" only occurs under Pre-Feudal, Feudal or Capitalist societies, returning in China when Capitalism was reintroduced. This emerges merely as a reaction to the suppression of women's rights and the promotion of inequality by saying such actions are ok for men and not for women and that is certainly simply a symptom and is thus solved when women are liberated.

So, in any event, judging from a liberation perspective, once women are freed and put on a genuinly equal ground as men, then prostitution and many other reactions will subside.

I think that Prostitution not only should be legal... It should be a constitutionally guranteed right. Seriously, its part of the right to privacy. (see Roe V Wade):hmm:

Well you're an angry little bitch, aren't you?:p
You know what? I have 2 problems with you.

1 - you're rude. there's no need to call names or down someone who is just stating an opionion which you quite obviously feel is a fair thing for you to do..
You're full of bullshit ....so you're bringing up another bullshit straw man.....No shit sherlock....people like you...You're as delusional as ever....you get all uppity. Ahhhh, poor baby....Sorry if you can't grasp that concept.

2 - You think your opinions define a path for others too? They are not truth! they are your opinions.. [QUOTE=CCC] -I'm very much anti-smoking. And food is a necessity, sex is not, -Guns are a necessary tool to defend oneself against an oppressive aggressor. Stick it up your strictured ass-ets! Who the frig do you think you are? Even Jesus did not teach by intimidation and you are not him.
You know what you know? You know what you believe. The fact that you believe will be your saving grace when you have to stand before whatever awaits you. The fact that you have the temerity to stand in judgement of others and suggest that your choices are right for anyone else will stand against you. You are not God or Jesus.
I haven't always been a Christian, I expect to draw your venom for this, but Christ is Truth. Depends on what your version of a Christian is I guess, always comes down to that doesn't it?
Christ may be truth, but you are not Christ. you would do better to try to follow in his footsteps than try to wear his shoes.

Well you're an angry little bitch, aren't you?:p
You know what? I have 2 problems with you.

1 - you're rude. there's no need to call names or down someone who is just stating an opionion which you quite obviously feel is a fair thing for you to do..
You're full of bullshit ....so you're bringing up another bullshit straw man.....No shit sherlock....people like you...You're as delusional as ever....you get all uppity. Ahhhh, poor baby....Sorry if you can't grasp that concept. [/QUOTE=CCC]

2 - You think your opinions define a path for others too? They are not truth! they are your opinions..

-I'm very much anti-smoking. And food is a necessity, sex is not, -Guns are a necessary tool to defend oneself against an oppressive aggressor.

Stick it up your strictured ass-ets! Who the frig do you think you are? Even Jesus did not teach by intimidation and you are not him.
You know what you know? You know what you believe. The fact that you believe will be your saving grace when you have to stand before whatever awaits you. The fact that you have the temerity to stand in judgement of others and suggest that your choices are right for anyone else will stand against you. You are not God or Jesus.
I haven't always been a Christian,
I expect to draw your venom for this, but Christ is Truth. Depends on what your version of a Christian is I guess, always comes down to that doesn't it?
Christ may be truth, but you are not Christ. you would do better to try to follow in his footsteps than try to wear his shoes.

^ somebody's having trouble with the quote function, as there are quotes that are being attributed to me that aren't from me.

I answered the thread topic question, somebody asked me why I had that opinion, I responded, and then the attacks started. Anything that follows is me responding to attacks.

chill out people, or it'll be locked.

^ somebody's having trouble with the quote function, as there are quotes that are being attributed to me that aren't from me.
Yeah, I surely messed up there with the quote function CCC (not to mention double-posting), and I sincerely apologize to you for that.