Many residents in New York City are unhappy with the disposition of the killing of a white New York University student by four black youths who chased him into oncoming traffic resulting in the student's death.

First, the New York City Police Department refused to charges the four perpetrators with a bias crime. A spokesperson with the NYPD claimed the killing was not racially motivated even though one of the suspects was heard screaming "get the white boy!" The NYPD spokesperson said the case was being treated as a robbery, not a hate crime.

However, the prosecutor said the four street toughs would be charged as adults. The initial charges were second-degree murder and robbery.

However, Manhattan District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau announced today that a New York County grand jury has completed hearing evidence in the case involving the four teenagers which resulted in the death of Broderick Hehman, the 20-year-old NYU student.

He said that the grand jury has decided that the charges against the four teenagers, two 15 year olds and two 13 year olds, will be transferred to New York City Family Court.

Today’s determination by the grand jury was the result of a week-long investigation. The evidence discovered by the District Attorney’s office revealed that Mr. Hehman was approached by a group of teenagers. He was held in a bear hug and punched in the side of his head. The teenagers also attempted to rob him.

The victim succeeded in breaking free from his attackers but the group pursued him and converged on him from two sides. He was chased into the street where he was struck by a car. Mr. Hehman sustained fractures to the base of the skull and the side of his head. He suffered cerebral trauma and died at Harlem Hospital days later.

Under the New York State Penal Law, youths under the age of 16 may be charged in State Supreme Court only with certain designated felonies, and they may be charged only with completed crimes. Youths under 16 may not be charged with attempts. The law does permit 15 year olds to be charged with Felony Murder, but only in cases where the underlying felony is a completed offense.

The law does not permit 13 year olds to be charged with Felony Murder under any circumstance. In this case, the evidence disclosed that the robbery of Mr. Hehman was never completed, since the victim fled before his assailants could take his property.

One NYPD police officer said, on condition of anonymity, "This is a travesty. These street punks are getting a slap on the wrist. They did complete a felony -- assault -- when they grabbed the student and punched him. They just didn't want to throw the book at these kids."

He also said, "They didn't want to charge them with a bias crime because they don't want the [crime] stats to show a black-on-white bias crime. You can be sure if the roles were reversed -- if it were a white-on-black incident -- it would have been treated as a bias crime," he said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1618424/posts


Sad but true. :nonono:

From your article, ny law sayz:

Under the New York State Penal Law, youths under the age of 16 may be charged in State Supreme Court only with certain designated felonies, and they may be charged only with completed crimes. Youths under 16 may not be charged with attempts. The law does permit 15 year olds to be charged with Felony Murder, but only in cases where the underlying felony is a completed offense.

The law does not permit 13 year olds to be charged with Felony Murder under any circumstance. In this case, the evidence disclosed that the robbery of Mr. Hehman was never completed, since the victim fled before his assailants could take his property.

If they don't like the law, they need to change it, but you can't argue that you would like the justice system to fail to follow state law.

This lynching of the NYU student had brief coverage in the NY metro area on the day of a press conference of Black and White officials wondering why this was not classified as a "hate" crime. The NYU student had given money to a street bum seconds before this group of savages killed him.

The ultra-liberal New York State law regarding the immunity that "teenagers" have regarding crime is most bizarre.

This lynching of the NYU student had brief coverage in the NY metro area on the day of a press conference of Black and White officials wondering why this was not classified as a "hate" crime. The NYU student had given money to a street bum seconds before this group of savages killed him.

The ultra-liberal New York State law regarding the immunity that "teenagers" have regarding crime is most bizarre.
woah, woah. if we start calling this a hate crime, wouldn't that just open the floodgates on all the other anti-white ones? :eek3:

This lynching of the NYU student had brief coverage in the NY metro area on the day of a press conference of Black and White officials wondering why this was not classified as a "hate" crime. The NYU student had given money to a street bum seconds before this group of savages killed him.

The ultra-liberal New York State law regarding the immunity that "teenagers" have regarding crime is most bizarre.

Dude. :(

You can't try children as adults. :|

this reminds me of the dozen or so black teenagers who lynched the four whites girls on a basketball court, screaming 'black power' and 'die crackers' and how the NYPD immediately stated that this was 'not a bias crime'.

This lynching of the NYU student had brief coverage in the NY metro area on the day of a press conference of Black and White officials wondering why this was not classified as a "hate" crime. The NYU student had given money to a street bum seconds before this group of savages killed him.

The ultra-liberal New York State law regarding the immunity that "teenagers" have regarding crime is most bizarre.
It wasn't classified as a "hate crime" because it wasn't one - the kids told several people before & after the crime that their intent was to rob somebody, not to set up a white kid to be killed.

It wasn't classified as a "hate crime" because it wasn't one - the kids told several people before & after the crime that their intent was to rob somebody, not to set up a white kid to be killed.http://www.smiliesftw.com/x/wtf.gif

you and guido need to lay off that kool aid

Read the law - a "hate crime" has to be motivated solely or primarily by racial or ethnic hatred, not robbery.

This was primarily an economically motivated crime.

It doesn't qualify under the law as a "hate crime" therefore.

Read the law - a "hate crime" has to be motivated solely or primarily by racial or ethnic hatred, not robbery.

This was primarily an economically motivated crime.

It doesn't qualify under the law as a "hate crime" therefore.and you make this determination based on what the killers have to say? how convenient. :doh:

Yes, Thumper - what someone has to say is the best indicator of their intent. :rolleyes:

Before the crime, they told numerous people they were going out to rob whomever they could find. Not many white people at 125th street.

"get the white boy!"

maybe they did some 'secret hand signalz' that silently indicated anti-white racism. :p

that was the neonuttzie theory in the Carr case. :rofl:

http://www.smiliesftw.com/x/wtf.gif

you and guido need to lay off that kool aid

Now that the days are longer, your "once tawny" hair is turning to light brown and "blondish." You are wondering how girls feel about this, and this exciting event has caused you to speculate that tawny-haired people who tell dumb blond jokes are "jealous" of blond people.

I guess this just proves once again that hate crimes are completely one sided where blacks are almost always the victims and whites almost always the perps

Now that the days are longer, your "once tawny" hair is turning to light brown and "blondish." You are wondering how girls feel about this, and this exciting event has caused you to speculate that tawny-haired people who tell dumb blond jokes are "jealous" of blond people.


snicker

Now that the days are longer, your "once tawny" hair is turning to light brown and "blondish." You are wondering how girls feel about this, and this exciting event has caused you to speculate that tawny-haired people who tell dumb blond jokes are "jealous" of blond people.hey guido, let's try to make some sense in this thread... mmmkay?

I guess this just proves once again that hate crime completely one sided where blacks are almost always the victims and whites almost always the perps

I concur with your assessment, you once tawny-haired almost blond dude. There's an anti-white/anti-blond conspiracy afoot.

"get the white boy!"
Doesn't change the fact that their intent was to rob.

I concur with your assessment, you once tawny-haired almost blond dude. There's an anti-white/anti-blond conspiracy afoot.

or 'at hand' if you subscribe to the secret hand signal theory. :hmm:

Yes, Thumper - what someone has to say is the best indicator of their intent. :rolleyes:

Before the crime, they told numerous people they were going out to rob whomever they could find. Not many white people at 125th street.how does that negate that this was racially motivated, as demonstrated by "get the white boy"?

Because it wasn't motivated primarily by race - as indicated by the fact that they stated they would rob anyone they could find. It was motivated by a desire for money.

Doesn't change the fact that their intent was to rob.according the piece he was getting gang beaten as well. But let's just give them the benefit of the doubt, because they're black :nice:

Because it wasn't motivated primarily by race - as indicated by the fact that they stated anyone they could find.isn't this the same NYPD that said the same thing about the lynching that took place with four white girls and the dozens of blacks who screamed 'black power' while beating them?

according the piece he was getting gang beaten as well. But let's just give them the benefit of the doubt, because they're black :nice:
He was chased into the street as part of the robbery.

isn't this the same NYPD that said the same thing about the lynching that took place with four white girls and the dozens of blacks who screamed 'black power' while beating them?
It was pointed out long ago that that never happened, and that the Brooklyn newspaper piece gave a completely bogus description of a dust-up between a few white kids & a few black kids. :rolleyes:

It was not a "lynching."

Scenario 1: 3 black youths conspire to go commit a crime against a white individual because they are white

Scenario 2: 3 black youths sonspire to rob someone. They see a number of targets, the most vulnerable is a white male. One of the perps yells "get the white boy," and they proceed to rob and kill the white male to get his money.

One of these is a hate crime, the other is not. I don't know what happened, I don't know what their intent was, but "get the white boy" is not even close to being proof of a hate crime.

They didn't even kill him - he ran into the street to escape them & a car hit him.

It wasn't classified as a "hate crime" because it wasn't one - the kids told several people before & after the crime that their intent was to rob somebody, not to set up a white kid to be killed.


You left out the small part about "let's get the white boy" while doing so.


Robbery? Can't possibly be. It was for thrills not money. :|

One of the teens suspected of trying to rob an NYU student who was killed in traffic while fleeing the gang told cops he robs for kicks - not money, a city lawyer said yesterday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/409880p-346759c.html

He was chased into the street as part of the robbery.so you're honestly telling me that race had nothing to do with it?

that, as you said, whites are a rare occurence on 125th street and that this black gang just HAPPENED to choose him my mere chance, while screaming racial hatred at him and gang beating him, instead of just taking his wallet, it had NOTHING TO DO with his race.

I'm convinced already.

They didn't even kill him - he ran into the street to escape them & a car hit him.


THEY chased him resulting in his death. Therefore THEY are responsible. :nonono:

It was pointed out long ago that that never happened, and that the Brooklyn newspaper piece gave a completely bogus description of a dust-up between a few white kids & a few black kids. :rolleyes:

It was not a "lynching."oh right, it wasn't a "lynching" because no one died as you so eloquently explained. Kinda like how attempted murder is no big thing :|

:lol:

this would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

"White boy" is hardly a term of racial hatred in Harlem - it's used as a generic term for white people. If they said "Get the cracker!" that would be different.

And the fact that he looked like he had money doesn't mean he was selected specifically for reasons of racial hatred; he was the best target for money.

oh right, it wasn't a "lynching" because no one died as you so eloquently explained. Kinda like how attempted murder is no big thing :|

:lol:

this would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
There was no attempted murder - there was a fight between a few white kids & a few black kids.

Many witnesses said that the newspaper description was hysterical bullshit that the biased journalist wasn't on hand to see.

A "lynching" means murder, not a schoolyard fight that results in minor injuries for the losers.

THEY chased him resulting in his death. Therefore THEY are responsible. :nonono:I think the real victims in this are the disenfranchised black youth who were only responding to white racism :(

THEY chased him resulting in his death. Therefore THEY are responsible. :nonono:
There's no question they're criminally responsible - the issue was whether it qualifies as a "hate crime" under the bias crime statutes.

It doesn't.

There was no attempted murder - there was a fight between a few white kids & a few black kids.

Many witnesses said that the newspaper description was hysterical bullshit that the biased journalist wasn't on hand to see.

A "lynching" means murder, not a schoolyard fight that results in minor injuries for the losers.you have a real gift for bullshit there.

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When 30 black teenagers from Marine Park Middle School, most of them girls, chased five white girls from St. Edmund's off a Marine Park basketball court and across a Brooklyn street - punching, kicking, slapping, pulling hair and screaming, "honky bitches," "black power" and "white crackers" - it was a racial attack.

It was about hate.

Police officers who responded to the scene on March 30, at approximately 4 p.m., arrested five blacks. They were charged with simple assault.

Two of the white girls were treated at Coney Island Hospital. One had a broken nose and was given a CAT scan because she had been repeatedly kicked in the head. Another suffered a torn muscle and had clumps of hair ripped out of her scalp.


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/311952p-266748c.html

See kids, it was just playground fisticuffs like CowPunk says :nice:

It was pointed out long ago that that never happened, and that the Brooklyn newspaper piece gave a completely bogus description of a dust-up between a few white kids & a few black kids. :rolleyes:

It was not a "lynching."

It was? I don't recall that and I'm in NY as well. Oh wait, I guess others aren't aware of this little tidbit, either, and have falsely charged them then? :p

Unknown to McGinn or the parents, however, detectives from the bias crime unit had begun an investigation of the attack on April 1. Three more arrests were made and the charges were upgraded to hate crimes by the city's corporation counsel at the arraignment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/311952p-266748c.html

The ruling drew a swift and sharp reaction from civil rights activists and black police officers. "At least in part it's a hate crime," the former director of the New York Civil Liberties union, Norman Siegel, said. "All racial violence is equally deplorable.' Charging the teens with a bias crime, he said, would be an "acknowledgement of racial tension."

One of the founders of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, a fraternal organization for African American police officers, Eric Adams, agreed. "When you look at the logic they are using to come to that conclusion, it's really troubling."

If the Police Department is saying identifying the race of the victim is merely a description, Mr. Adams said, then "we have to rewrite the current law for bias crimes. The mere fact his race was interjected, the courts have to decide why that was. Our position is it should be out of the hands of the Police Department and in the hands of the courts.

"All people should be protected under hate crimes legislation," Mr. Adams said. "A white guy can be as much a victim as a black guy." Mr. Adams is a retired police captain.

Both Mr. Siegel and Mr. Adams said they would meet with the Manhattan district attorney, Robert Morgenthau, to encourage him to include hate-crime charges against the suspects.

http://www.nysun.com/article/30676?page_no=3

Thumper's citing an early article with a ton of misinformation. The crime was eventually ruled a bias incident between five black girls & six white girls:

BLACK GALS GUILTY OF RACE BEAT
By PATRICK GALLAHUE

March 2, 2006 — A judge ruled yesterday that an attack by five black youths on a group of white Catholic-school girls in Brooklyn last year was racially motivated.

One day after a lawyer for one of the five girls argued that the violence erupted only after an argument over Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I have a dream” speech, Judge Stewart Weinstein ruled, “This was a hate crime.”

“The entire incident was fueled by the race of the [victims],” he said, before finding the five girls guilty of menacing and assault.

The group of girls went on the attack last March 30 at the Marine Park JHS basketball court.

Parents of the victims were in court to hear the verdict and expressed relief that the judge ruled the incident was motivated by bigotry.

“It was a hate crime, which was what we’ve been saying,” said Joanne Eisen, whose 15-year-old daughter was beaten in the attack.

But she and the other parents submitted a letter asking that the assailants — who face up to 18 months in a juvenile-detention facility — be sentenced to sensitivity training rather than jail.

Scenario 2: 3 black youths sonspire to rob someone. They see a number of targets, the most vulnerable is a white male. One of the perps yells "get the white boy," and they proceed to rob the white male
No one has addressed this. What I've described is not a hate crime, race played no role in the crime.

What business does a white NYU student have roaming the streets of Harlem anyway?

It's 125th street - there are white people around & a library & major supermarket, etc.

Harlem's not really that bad a neighborhood, unlike the Boogie-Down Bronx. :rolleyes:

I'm disappointed to see that the title of the article is misleading.

It's 125th street - there are white people around & a library & major supermarket, etc.

Harlem's not really that bad a neighborhood, unlike the Boogie-Down Bronx. :rolleyes:

I've never had a reason to go to the Bronx for anything, and sure can't think of one now! Just passing through it on the train seems to send a shiver up my spine.

A friend of mine told me not too long ago that the area around 125th street is more of an up and coming area these days. A number of database address changes I'd done recently were for that area, so this does seem to bear him out.

Thumper's citing an early article with a ton of misinformation. The crime was eventually ruled a bias incident between five black girls & six white girls:
weren't you the one to argue that it wasn't a hate crime?

shows how good your judgement is.

I said it wasn't a lynching, not that it wasn't necessarily a hate crime.

And you were the one to say it wouldn't be prosecuted as one.

I said it wasn't a lynching, not that it wasn't necessarily a hate crime.i hate it when you do that :o

And you were the one to say it wouldn't be prosecuted as one.well i think that would've been the case if wasn't for activism.

What business does a white NYU student have roaming the streets of Harlem anyway?

He was on his way to visit his black friend who lived in Harlem.

you have a real gift for bullshit there.

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When 30 black teenagers from Marine Park Middle School, most of them girls, chased five white girls from St. Edmund's off a Marine Park basketball court and across a Brooklyn street - punching, kicking, slapping, pulling hair and screaming, "honky bitches," "black power" and "white crackers" - it was a racial attack.

It was about hate.

Police officers who responded to the scene on March 30, at approximately 4 p.m., arrested five blacks. They were charged with simple assault.

Two of the white girls were treated at Coney Island Hospital. One had a broken nose and was given a CAT scan because she had been repeatedly kicked in the head. Another suffered a torn muscle and had clumps of hair ripped out of her scalp.


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/311952p-266748c.html

See kids, it was just playground fisticuffs like CowPunk says :nice:

Just remember folks, hate crimes only apply to white people.

Except, of course, for this one.

He was on his way to visit his black friend who lived in Harlem.

Perhaps there is a romantic component to this case. :)

There is really little to no information in your delightful unbiased article, Sparrow, that properly represents the minors charged. :|

What were the facts of the case as they saw them?

Did this sweet innocent NYU student say or do anything to bring on rage or conflict? Did he provoke their behaviour in any way?

Is Free Republic a filthy, disgusting, White Nationalist rag?

Please end this nonsense of attempting to undermine the judgement of the grand jury of the great state of New York. :|

Are you a WN Sparrow?

Perhaps there is a romantic component to this case. :)

There is really little to no information in your delightful unbiased article, Sparrow, that properly represents the minors charged. :|

What were the facts of the case as they saw them?

Did this sweet innocent NYU student say or do anything to bring on rage or conflict? Did he provoke their behaviour in any way?
i believe they call it WWW, walking while white, in a black area. the same thing happens quite often in Baltimore or Detroit.

It was pointed out long ago that that never happened..

It's also been pointed out that you lie through your teeth.

Are you a WN Sparrow?

What are your thoughts on this obvious lynching of a kid because of his race?

Perhaps there is a romantic component to this case. :)

No, I dont think so.

There is really little to no information in your delightful unbiased article, Sparrow, that properly represents the minors charged. :|
You would get the same story from NY Post or Newsday.


Did this sweet innocent NYU student say or do anything to bring on rage or conflict? Did he provoke their behaviour in any way?
No, he was minding his own business.


Please end this nonsense of attempting to undermine the judgement of the grand jury of the great state of New York. :|
Yea, Im sure whatever I said will change their mind. :rolleyes:

If you want support for a hate crime law, enforce it equally. It is obvious that when a crime is perpetrated agaisnt a white person with racial overtones, those who are arrested are not charged with hate crimes. Its hard not to ignore.

Are you a WN Sparrow?

How does her speaking out agaisnt this crime make her a WN? I agree with her. Does that make me a WN too? There is an obvious disreard for this law when it comes to black people who commit crimes against white people because of the color of their skin.

When TT is having a major case of denial, his typical first line defense is to fling lame ad hominems.

It's also been pointed out that you lie through your teeth.
^ It's been pointed out that you're a moron. :shrug:

If you want support for a hate crime law, enforce it equally. It is obvious that when a crime is perpetrated agaisnt a white person with racial overtones, those who are arrested are not charged with hate crimes. Its hard not to ignore.
Hate crimes don't have racial overtones; they're committed solely on the basis of race simply due to racial hatred. This wasn't. It was a robbery.

Hate crime, schmate crime. The little baboons belong in a cage, period.

Too bad about the White kid. Should have been Cow Punk.

Hate crimes don't have racial overtones; they're committed solely on the basis of race simply due to racial hatred.
You just contradicted yourself. Hate crimes can have racial and sexual overtones.

This wasn't. It was a robbery.
It was a failed robbery attempt in which the victim died trying to escape his perpetrators. Now its involuntary manslaughter.

You just contradicted yourself. Hate crimes can have racial and sexual overtones.
"Overtones" isn't strong enough for a hate crime; "hate crimes," according to the statutes, are committed solely or primarily on account of racial hatred.

If they kidnapped him because they were looking to kill a white man, then threw him into the path of a car, that would be a hate crime. A crime of opportunity carried out for economic reasons isn't a hate crime even if its interracial.

It was a failed robbery attempt in which the victim died trying to escape his perpetrators. Now its involuntary manslaughter.
An involuntary manslaughter perpetrated because the kids were looking to rob someone for the money, not just to kill a white man.

"Overtones" isn't strong enough for a hate crime; "hate crimes," according to the statutes, are committed solely or primarily on account of racial hatred.
And "Get Whitey" doesnt constitute a hate crime?


If they kidnapped him because they were looking to kill a white man, then threw him into the path of a car, that would be a hate crime.
They didnt kidnap him, they chased him down in a car.

A crime of opportunity carried out for economic reasons isn't a hate crime even if its interracial.

Sure it is.


An involuntary manslaughter perpetrated because the kids were looking to rob someone for the money, not just to kill a white man.[/QUOTE]

He didn't say "get Whitey"; someone claims they heard them shout "get the white boy," although it hasn't been verified.

Since almost any white person would be called "white boy" in Harlem, it's hardly proof that race was the primary motivation for the crime when the kids told people in advance they were looking to rob someone for the money.

And no, a crime of opportunity is the opposite of a hate crime - hate crimes are carried out just because of racial hatred & not primarily an opportunity to make money.

Hate crime, schmate crime. The little baboons belong in a cage, period.

Too bad about the White kid. Should have been Cow Punk.:werd: the only thing that will redeem this thread

Uh huh, you would think that referring to African Americans as "baboons" redeems the thread.

I was sympathizing more with the idea of you switching places with the NYU student

What are your thoughts on this obvious lynching of a kid because of his race?

There was no lynching. He happened to be a white person.

If you want support for a hate crime law, enforce it equally. It is obvious that when a crime is perpetrated agaisnt a white person with racial overtones, those who are arrested are not charged with hate crimes. Its hard not to ignore.

I see nothing in the article that indicates otherwise. Do you?

How does her speaking out agaisnt this crime make her a WN? I agree with her. Does that make me a WN too? There is an obvious disreard for this law when it comes to black people who commit crimes against white people because of the color of their skin.

It was just a question. Just a question, that's all.

He didn't say "get Whitey"; someone claims they heard them shout "get the white boy," although it hasn't been verified.

Agreed.

Since when is the term "whitey" considered racial or derogatory?

What a tragic fate, white boy. :rofl:

Not many white people at 125th street.

It's 125th street - there are white people around

It was pointed out long ago that that never happened, and that the Brooklyn newspaper piece gave a completely bogus description of a dust-up

The crime was eventually ruled a bias incident between five black girls & six white girls

Hate crimes don't have racial overtones

Etc., etc.

For all his double-talk, he'd be measured a scoundrel, were it not that he is a such a pedantic bore.

In a way, his ostentatious claptrap is his saving grace; while all deceitful men are contemptible, only a few manage to be dangerous about it, and this fellow, at the end of the day, is merely a gadfly.

Agreed.of course you agree. now nod your head dumbly and keep voting democrat.

of course you agree. now nod your head dumbly and keep voting democrat.

I find it interesting how you and your kind so smoothly associate yourself with members of the american Republican Party.

I've never voted democrat in my life.

I find it interesting how you and your kind so smoothly associate yourself with members of the american Republican Party.

I've never voted democrat in my life.I'm libertarian actually :)

What business does a white NYU student have roaming the streets of Harlem anyway?
Well if we're going to have that mentality, what business does a black guy have roaming the streets of Howard Beach anyway? And I suppose we should now free 9see below) Nick Minucci?
Not to mention LI. Lets keep them, in their place and forbid them outside of Hempstead, Freeport, Uniondale, Roosevelt and Wyandanch because they need to stay in their place and know their role. :|


Nicholas (Fat Nick) Minucci is gonna throw down with a hip-hop defense when he goes to trial next month on his hate crime assault charge stemming from a baseball bat attack in Howard Beach, Queens, last June 29.

Wearing a bright orange jumpsuit and white sneakers in a beige cinder-block visitor's room in the Eugene J. Grogan Correctional Facility in Rockland County, Minucci declared Saturday he was "looking forward to going to trial because I'm gonna prove everybody wrong. I'm no racist. This was no hate crime."

So what's his defense?

"After the three African-Americans tried to rob me, I tracked them down with two friends," Minucci said. "And when I approached them I said to the main guy, Glenn Moore, 'What up, n---a?' I didn't say 'n---er' with an 'er.' But 'n---a' with an 'a' at the end.

"There's a very big difference in the hip-hop world that I come from between 'n---a,' which is a greeting and 'n---er,' which is racist. 'What up, n---a?' is like saying, 'What's up, pal?'"

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/401320p-339880c.html

"After the three African-Americans tried to rob me, I tracked them down with two friends," Minucci said. "And when I approached them I said to the main guy, Glenn Moore, 'What up, n---a?' I didn't say 'n---er' with an 'er.' But 'n---a' with an 'a' at the end.

"There's a very big difference in the hip-hop world that I come from between 'n---a,' which is a greeting and 'n---er,' which is racist. 'What up, n---a?' is like saying, 'What's up, pal?'"

:p Good point. The thing is though, these kids were certainly using bad judgement by taking the law into their own hands, but they were not savagely attacking people for no reason other than race like the brutal savages did with the NYU student.

Are you a WN Sparrow?

No TT, in truth, I'm more about being blatantly honest and non PC. For example, I won't refer to Aisians as Asian-American, blacks as African-Americans and so forth. I may not dress things up all pretty at times for the thin skinned but at least you'll know you'll get an honest answer from me and will know where I stand.
For the record, I do have non-white friends and always have.
Matter of fact, I have a friend of mine who originally came from the Carribean and actually takes that as an insult as well and has always wondered why he's gets clumped into such. I have another black friend who will tell you she's simply American -has never been to Africa a day in her life - and doesn't understand why certain white folks have to point out her blackness in attempt to prove they aren't prejudice. I agree with them. I find a lot of racists are the ones trying so hard to pretend they aren't. Not all but yes, I know quite a few those types. I don't believe in hyphens unless people are going to start referring to me as a Russian-Irish-German-Swedish-English-Native-American any time soon. :cool:
Now there's a mix, eh?

Either you're an American or you aren't. Either we're all equal, or we aren't, but ya can't have it both ways. I believe in fairness and I believe it has to go both ways.

I also have my complaints with the media who are always having to point out 'color' as if that makes any difference. Maybe in race heated scenerios cuz it's part of the story/crime but it's like they have to point it out constantly like it's of significance which imo, is wrong. Say someone is murdered, should the case be handled differently because of their skin color? Does that make their life, and the person they were, of any less value? No. It's almost like they try to justify that.

No TT, I'm not running around with a shaved head and swatstika tattooed on my butt.;)

Now, I admit lately a lot of my posts have been on the illegal imigration issue which I admit I'm against and now you came across this and maybe you got that preception of me but do believe I'm very vocal in other areas as well and have been even when the scenerio is visa versa.
One of those issues is gangs and innocent babies caught in their (terrible aim) crossfire. That's something I feel very passionate about and I believe some of my very first posts here at DA were on that very issue.

I hear kids being so-called accidently killed by gang members with a bad shot constantly....and I get pissed off. Another 2 here this past week. And I can't say how much I feel for their families. I don't give a rats ass what color they are. One child was at a birthday party and the other going to church with his family on Easter. 2 kids who will never get to grow up. And what's it all for? So a few losers can 'think' they're cool? These are the same types I volunteered at my local community center for years and I was given what they referred to as the problem kids who were assumed to be more difficult to deal with. Like any relationship, you have to earn their trust but I welcomed them. And part of my hope was to keep these kids from gaining that mentality as they grew older and off the streets being so many were surrounded by such lifestyles. I can only hope I made a difference and that my teaching them to be their own leader/person and living by the beat of their own drum has stayed with them and continues to do so.

I'm disappointed to see that the title of the article is misleading.


I believe by rules I've seen all this past week with mods asking posters to please use the title to the article itself when quoting work that is not of our own so I was simply abiding by the rules. I'm sorry if you don't like the title but that will be something you have to take up with the author for I'm not him/her. :)

There is really little to no information in your delightful unbiased article, Sparrow, that properly represents the minors charged.:|

You would get the same story from NY Post or Newsday.


As well as the Daily News and NY Times. That's if you're willing to pay a few bucks, jojo. You may still be able to catch it in the DN tho if it hasn't gone to archives as of yet. :p

Thank you Riz and Snouter but in TT's defense, as least he was nice enough to just come out and ask me and I can respect that unlike another, who shall remain nameless, who seems to just assume he thinks he knows what I am. :hmm:

didn't i help

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Come here you lil fluffball...


*pets thumper on the head, scratches him behind the ears, then rubs his belly*



That's a good boy. :D

:cooldance

I'm disappointed to see that the title of the article is misleading.

Very good point.
I remember the thread Jay GW started about the black stripper who was attacked my the four* white guys. Moderators stated that is was an incorrect and misleading thread title which breached a rule.

Also in that thread warnings were given out left and right.

Now in this thread a certain racist has called black people baboons and has wished violence upon another member. So if people are getting warned about skillets. I hope this member got two warnings,since even calling someone an idiot here is grounds for a warning now.

Very good point.
I remember the thread Jay GW started about the black stripper who was attacked my the four* white guys. Moderators stated that is was an incorrect and misleading thread title which breached a rule.

Also in that thread warnings were given out left and right.

Now in this thread a certain racist has called black people baboons and has wished violence upon another member. So if people are getting warned about skillets. I hope this member got two warnings,since even calling someone an idiot here is grounds for a warning now.

As no one reported any posts in this thread (to my knowledge), this thread managed to escape detection.

However, now that I'm here, I'm going to lock this thread and warn the appropriate users.

For future reference, though, if you have a problem with a thread or posts within it, report the posts, don't inflame the situation further. :)