We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration — both legal and illegal — was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp


What do you think?

I'm still tripping out that Caesar Chavez used to call INS on illegal immigrants because farms used to use them to break strikes.

Shades of grey, man...

I am not sure what you are asking if he is "correct" about. His ideas of how the country COULD be destroyed? That these methods ARE being currently used to do so?

Will his ideas destroy the country? Y/N

I agree that much of what he states is already happening. The point is to make people think. I think you're already there.

A good way to destroy America would be to hand over all it's resources to the top 10% because the voting public is too stupid to protect their own wages, jobs and benefits. ;)

That does tangently touch on immigration issues.

What do you think?
Im not sure. Its almost certain a rhetorical loop and no US politician, no matter how high bible-doses, would never collect votes that way.

There is another picture tho, that of Speer, planning for monumental ruins... That former Dick youre quoting on may want to destroy US in order to create some monumental history... After all, like Germany, US as a nation cannot produce much after appr. 200 y :D

http://www.thecityreview.com/s05sconb.jpg
Will it get more valuable this way?

Im not sure. Its almost certain a rhetorical loop and no US politician, no matter how high bible-doses, would never collect votes that way.

There is another picture tho, that of Speer, planning for monumental ruins... That former Dick youre quoting on may want to destroy US in order to create some monumental history... After all, like Germany, US as a nation cannot produce much after appr. 200 y :D


Will it get more valuable this way?Lamm doesn't want to destroy America. He just wants people to become aware that America is being destroyed from within. Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of appeasing illegals. It is essentially political correctness gone wild.

Diversity cannot be avoided. It's in human's nature to differentiate. US survived civil war 100 years ago. People are much smarter now.

Diversity is even necessary or we end up bogged down in the same ole same ole-Still he's right that some accommodations need to be made-There are a lot of negative things happening to the South we don't want catching on here.

People are much smarter now

Um, NO. We merely have different priorities. Man is NO smarter now than he was 1,000 years ago.

In any case, we can thank the multicultural leftists for this illegal immigration mess. The only thing we need do to destroy this country is vote Democratic.

Um, NO. We merely have different priorities. Man is NO smarter now than he was 1,000 years ago.

You do not see people fly in air plane 1000 years ago. Certainly there are new challenges, but we also have another 100 years of experience behind us.

this thread = :doh:

You do not see people fly in air plane 1000 years ago

The accumulation of knowledge and being "smart" is NOT the same thing!

If you took a "smart" man from the year 1700 and taught him how to build a plane, he would be ABLE to build a plane. Humans are no smarter now than we were before. We have just had more time to develop and build upon our knowledge base.

Hell, Thumper is proof man is no smarter now than 1,000 years ago if nothing else convinces you!
;)

Um, NO. We merely have different priorities. Man is NO smarter now than he was 1,000 years ago.

In any case, we can thank the multicultural leftists for this illegal immigration mess. The only thing we need do to destroy this country is vote Democratic.
Why not go back like 5,000 y and discover the golden era of conservatism - the bronze age :D
Mut mainly, yes, people are dense and egoistic, which is even more stupid...

The accumulation of knowledge and being "smart" is NOT the same thing!
(...)

Hell, Thumper is proof man is no smarter now than 1,000 years ago if nothing else convinces you!
;)

Its the difference between intelligens and wisdom.
(...)
Thump slapped his forhead too many times. Whatever dwelled inside turned to brown goo. Of course, he can always use a white hood to cover things up :D

Diversity is even necessary or we end up bogged down in the same ole same ole-Still he's right that some accommodations need to be made-There are a lot of negative things happening to the South we don't want catching on here.
Like what, illuminate me :)

Like what, illuminate me :)

Mexico and Latin America are stuck way in the past,gangsters weild enormous political power and even the police have to pay homage,we have gangsters here too but at least they have to be discrete...

I think he's pretty loony but he makes some good points regardless. The speech was rather long winded and could have been condensed to the same effect.

A couple wacky quotes:
"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent."
A diverse society is not "ideal" from the point of view of the elite, but it makes for a better society. Stability is easy to find throughout history - just look at all the monarchies! Rome had extended stable periods.

"History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures."
Here's a list of official languages of nations. Many of them have 2 or more official languages and seem to get along fine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages

"I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated."
This almost always occurs in any western society... does that mean they're all screwed too? Poverty and a high birth rate often go hand in hand.

Much of his statements are already in place. Does that mean America is on the chopping block?

BTW, what does he mean by "destroy America" anyway? Does that mean a reduction of our international prestige (too late), a decline in definitive and meaningful direction (too late), or a physical separation of states (impossible in the current sociopolitical climate)?

If you took a "smart" man from the year 1700 and taught him how to build a plane, he would be ABLE to build a plane. Humans are no smarter now than we were before. We have just had more time to develop and build upon our knowledge base.
;)
Actually not - in fact, due to the Flynn Effect, intelligence tests have had to have been revised - made more difficult - several times to keep the average fixed at 100.

By every empirical measure, we're far smarter today than ever before.

BS. The Flynn effect is nonsense and you know it.

Diversity cannot be avoided. It's in human's nature to differentiate. US survived civil war 100 years ago. People are much smarter now.


Don't tell us, tell La Raza this ! La raza means' the race ' . Also one of their slogans, " for our race everything , for those outside our race NOTHING !" We are a bronze people with with a bronze culture .We are Aztlan !

So much the racist being into 'diersity' ,huh ?

Actually not - in fact, due to the Flynn Effect, intelligence tests have had to have been revised - made more difficult - several times to keep the average fixed at 100.

By every empirical measure, we're far smarter today than ever before.

BS. The Flynn effect is nonsense and you know it.

Ok dudes, link it.

People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games.

A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.


:confused: I'm pretty sure the above is not true. Persia attempted to invade Greece twice, and was defeated twice..


The expression "Persian Wars" usually refers to either or both of the two Persian invasions of the Greek mainland in 490 BC and in 480-479 BC; in both cases, the Greeks united successfully to defeat the invasion.

Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars)


I know a lot of people think Wiki is garbage, but hopefully they've got at least the above right? (I had a feeling this was wrong, and since Wiki checks it out, I'm assuming its right.)

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Ok dudes, link it.

If, for whatever reason, everybody were getting smarter, this would be wonderful news indeed. But a glance at the numbers shows that something very curious must be going on here. If IQ were, in fact, rising at a rate of 15 points per generation then, if the mean IQ of today is 100, that of our grandparents' generation would have been about 70--generally considered the threshold of mental retardation. Clearly, anybody who's spent time with their grandparents and other folks of that generation knows that's utter nonsense.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/
I'd prefer that this didn't become a thread about the Flynn Effect. Let's try to stick to the topic at hand. Perhaps another thread, if necessary.

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent."
A diverse society is not "ideal" from the point of view of the elite, but it makes for a better society. Stability is easy to find throughout history - just look at all the monarchies! Rome had extended stable periods.

"History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures."
Here's a list of official languages of nations. Many of them have 2 or more official languages and seem to get along fine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages

"I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated."
This almost always occurs in any western society... does that mean they're all screwed too? Poverty and a high birth rate often go hand in hand.

Much of his statements are already in place. Does that mean America is on the chopping block?

BTW, what does he mean by "destroy America" anyway? Does that mean a reduction of our international prestige (too late), a decline in definitive and meaningful direction (too late), or a physical separation of states (impossible in the current sociopolitical climate)?
What I see is a pseudo-intellectual attempt to get rid of unwanted racial competition. Denying diversity in US... :D good luck! I mean, on Iceland there would be no problem to preserve racial purity, but in States?
There is another aspect to that BS. Extremists often tend to end the world as we know it whenever they dont get what they want. Childish *dodo-dada*