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Amber
03-09-2006, 04:13 PM
Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.
The attempt by the country of 9 million people to become the world's first practically oil-free economy is being planned by a committee of industrialists, academics, farmers, car makers, civil servants and others, who will report to parliament in several months.

Sweden plans to be world's first oil-free economy

· 15-year limit set for switch to renewable energy
· Biofuels favoured over further nuclear power

John Vidal, environment editor
Wednesday February 8, 2006
The Guardian


Evergreen... Sweden will develop biofuels from its forests. Photograph: Mattias Klum/Getty Images



Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.
The attempt by the country of 9 million people to become the world's first practically oil-free economy is being planned by a committee of industrialists, academics, farmers, car makers, civil servants and others, who will report to parliament in several months.

The intention, the Swedish government said yesterday, is to replace all fossil fuels with renewables before climate change destroys economies and growing oil scarcity leads to huge new price rises.
"Our dependency on oil should be broken by 2020," said Mona Sahlin, minister of sustainable development. "There shall always be better alternatives to oil, which means no house should need oil for heating, and no driver should need to turn solely to gasoline."

The decision to abandon oil puts Sweden at the top of the world green league table. Iceland hopes by 2050 to power all its cars and boats with hydrogen made from electricity drawn from renewable resources, and Brazil intends to power 80% of its transport fleet with ethanol derived mainly from sugar cane within five years.

Last week George Bush surprised analysts by saying that the US was addicted to oil and should greatly reduce imports from the Middle East. The US now plans a large increase in nuclear power.

The British government, which is committed to generating 10% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2012, last month launched an energy review which has a specific remit to consider a large increase in nuclear power. But a report by accountants Ernst & Young yesterday said that the UK was falling behind in its attempt to meet its renewables target.

"The UK has Europe's best wind, wave and tidal resources yet it continues to miss out on its economic potential," said Jonathan Johns, head of renewable energy at Ernst & Young.

Energy ministry officials in Sweden said they expected the oil committee to recommend further development of biofuels derived from its massive forests, and by expanding other renewable energies such as wind and wave power.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,1704954,00.html#article_continue

Mandrake
03-09-2006, 04:14 PM
A similar program is only about 30 years overdue here.

DngrMse
03-09-2006, 04:38 PM
A similar program is only about 30 years overdue here.

Bio fuels would not come close to replacing our daily consumption of petroleum for energy. But it would help. :nice:

Red
03-09-2006, 04:55 PM
9 million ppl is nothing... try weaning 290 million ppl off oil. :p


i sorted wish Gore would of won in 2000... we'd have a $5 tax on gas right now... SUV's would already be extinct... :hmm:

Betrade
03-09-2006, 06:07 PM
9 million ppl is nothing... try weaning 290 million ppl off oil. :p


i sorted wish Gore would of won in 2000... we'd have a $5 tax on gas right now... SUV's would already be extinct... :hmm:

Precisely why I'm glad he lost. He doesn't know better then everyone else, he just thinks he does, and that's scary.

Mandrake
03-09-2006, 06:09 PM
Precisely why I'm glad he lost. He doesn't know better then everyone else, he just thinks he does, and that's scary.

He's certainly not the humble, sober, down-to-earth pragmatist that George W. Bush is, that's for sure.

Amber
03-18-2006, 01:23 PM
i sorted wish Gore would of won in 2000... we'd have a $5 tax on gas right now... SUV's would already be extinct... :hmm:

amen to that... that's who deserves to be at the white house :nice:

eeper69
03-18-2006, 01:27 PM
I heard about this last week. I'm glad they are leaning towards biofuels over hydrogen.

White_One
03-18-2006, 01:28 PM
:nice:

Pappy&Me
03-18-2006, 02:36 PM
9 million ppl is nothing... try weaning 290 million ppl off oil. :p


i sorted wish Gore would of won in 2000... we'd have a $5 tax on gas right now... SUV's would already be extinct... :hmm:


Well you got part of your wish ...his politicle half got elected ! :mad: Of course now they re all campayning for chillery .


We have had a million illegals a year [ probly conservative ] welcomed by him .

We voted for him ! :eek3:

Pappy&Me
03-18-2006, 02:38 PM
I'm glad they are wise enough not to increase nuke power . Too much waste, nowhere to get rid of it .

Shadoglare
03-18-2006, 04:33 PM
I'm glad they are wise enough not to increase nuke power . Too much waste, nowhere to get rid of it .

Actually nuclear is one of the cleanest ways of producing energy we have. A nuclear power plant releases zero pollutants into the air.
They are still working on a way to reduce or elimate the waste product that they have to dispose of every couple of years, but at least as of right now the only place being effected by the waste is the inside of a mountain in the middle of nowhere.

I recently read an article that estimated that even if every foot of farmland on earth was used for nothing but creating biofuel we we'd only make up for about 20% of the earth's energy use... so I'm not sure how realistic this "100% biofuel" plan is....

I don't know
03-18-2006, 05:05 PM
The sweedes aren't saying "100% biofuel", though.

Deconstructionist
03-19-2006, 05:12 AM
This is a pipe dream. I wish the Swedes good luck though. We need to be moving away from oil in the United States.

Betrade
03-19-2006, 09:10 AM
9 million ppl is nothing... try weaning 290 million ppl off oil. :p


i sorted wish Gore would of won in 2000... we'd have a $5 tax on gas right now... SUV's would already be extinct... :hmm:

I'm so tired of "SUV's" being labeled as gas hogs. Many are, but millions of them (like my own) have V6's ,and not huge, big block gas guzzling engines. I have two Chevy trucks with 4.3 litre V6's, and they get great mileage, and have plenty of power.

I need a vehicle that's 4 wheel drive, and will pull my boat without destroying the transmission. A little 4 cylinder won't do the job. If they could build one with some power, I would buy it.

The little Hundai's that are all over the road don't last. The engines are junk, and you can ruin them by overheating them once. If the timing belt breaks, you can get a hole in a piston you get a chance to even pull over.

Also, smaller vehicles crush like paper cups in an accident. I know that from experience, and I'll never drive a little car again. I got in a wreck with one of my vans, and the car was totaled, yet all I had was a bent bumper, and one battery cable came unhooked.

As for gas taxes, the government is already raking in billions from gas tax revenue every day, and so are the states. We don't need more taxes, and even if they were imposed, people would still drive. They're driving now, and gas has almost doubled in price over the last few years. People adjust to it. We complain for a while, but we get used to it and drive just as we did before prices rose.

Red
03-19-2006, 09:30 AM
I'm so tired of "SUV's" being labeled as gas hogs. Many are, but millions of them (like my own) have V6's ,and not huge, big block gas guzzling engines. I have two Chevy trucks with 4.3 litre V6's, and they get great mileage, and have plenty of power.
what's great gas mileage?

my 3.9L Ram Van gets 16 mpg... highway. :hmm:
I need a vehicle that's 4 wheel drive, and will pull my boat without destroying the transmission. A little 4 cylinder won't do the job. If they could build one with some power, I would buy it.
but you actually use your SUV as a truck to haul stuff. and i applaude you. how many yuppies out there do the same? i bet only 10%-20% of SUV owners actually use it like that, and the rest use 'em as daily commuters, nothing more.
Also, smaller vehicles crush like paper cups in an accident. I know that from experience, and I'll never drive a little car again. I got in a wreck with one of my vans, and the car was totaled, yet all I had was a bent bumper, and one battery cable came unhooked.
i agree, automakers need to build 'em a little bigger and stronger.

Betrade
03-19-2006, 10:23 AM
what's great gas mileage?

my 3.9L Ram Van gets 16 mpg... highway. :hmm:

but you actually use your SUV as a truck to haul stuff. and i applaude you. how many yuppies out there do the same? i bet only 10%-20% of SUV owners actually use it like that, and the rest use 'em as daily commuters, nothing more.

i agree, automakers need to build 'em a little bigger and stronger.

I get close to 20 mpg on the highway. I haven't clocked it exactly, because it's not that big a deal to me. Clocking it won't change it. I only have a 17 gallon fuel tank, and it goes a pretty long way.

Also, I live in an area where the roads are the last to be plowed when it snows, and 4WD makes it much easier to get around. There are lots of huge hills, and if you have to stop halfway up, you're screwed with 2WD.

Front wheel drive is great in the snow, but again, I can't pull a boat with a small front wheel drive vehicle. There are some front wheel drive cars with 6 cylinder engines that would pull a boat, but I don't like cars, and haven't owned one in over 20 years. I like the visibility of higher up than cars. It's safer.

fat mike
03-19-2006, 10:31 AM
but you actually use your SUV as a truck to haul stuff. and i applaude you. how many yuppies out there do the same? i bet only 10%-20% of SUV owners actually use it like that, and the rest use 'em as daily commuters, nothing more

Nice point,vanity on the part of the yuppies...
Sweden has an elaborate system of social controls-the Unions are part of the government-that makes this kind of retooling a lot easier than it would be here...

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