View Full Version : Can a Mormon be trusted--Romney for Prez?
Mobile Vulgus 02-26-2006, 10:59 PM Mitt Romney- Can he be Trusted?
OK. There is a lot of noise that the Gov. of Mass, Republican Mitt Romney, is going to run for president. But he faces a situation among many Americans akin to one that John F. Kennedy faced for the 1960 run for Prez.
Romney is a Mormon. Will Protestant (or even Catholic) Americans vote for a Mormon?
I say that Mormonism is not a legitimate religion. It is a cult and should not be considered much else.
Not a SINGLE thing of Mormonism can be proven. All the archeological additions that charlatan Joe Smith added into the Bible to create the book of Mormon is demonstrably false. All the claims of various South American Indians being related to the Jews is proven false via DNA analysis. None of the supposed cities he claimed existed have ever been found in ANY way at all... NOT a hint. Even the book itself cannot be that given BY God to Smith because several of the mistranslations made by the King James Bible was dutifully copied right over from that version to the faked book of Mormon! (If Smith got the word straight from God, why are there mistakes in it, the EXACT same ones that exist in the flawed King James version , a book widely known among people during Smith's era?)
Christianity, Judaism, even Islam is built upon historical fact and many of the things in their Holy books can be PROVEN true, if ONLY the historical aspects. At least there is a basis of forming something to believe in, though. But, aside from the things stolen from the Bible, all the things in the Mormons cult manual are garbage, utterly false. This pretty much PROVES that the book was made up out of Smith's rear end!
So, the question remains. Can a man so easily taken in by a cult be trusted as president?
Or does his religious affiliation not matter a bit?
fat mike 02-26-2006, 11:09 PM Wouldnt matter to me-my beliefs are close to those Bush,religion wise,and I didnt vote for him-issues,man,issues!!!
Is this guy any kin to George Romney?
Freedom&Liberty 02-26-2006, 11:11 PM Personally, I don't vote for or against people based on religious beliefs. Hell, even Clinton claimed to be Christian.
TheLateGreat 02-26-2006, 11:12 PM Can a man so easily taken in by a cult be trusted as president?
Why not? We've gotten by under 43 others.
Java_man 02-26-2006, 11:24 PM As long as there is not more than one first lady, who cares ?
And religions are merely cults that passed the test of time.
optimus 02-26-2006, 11:30 PM what a stupid question - no politician can be trusted.
Mobile Vulgus 02-26-2006, 11:32 PM Why not? We've gotten by under 43 others.
What 43 other Mormons have we been "under"?
Shawn 02-26-2006, 11:40 PM Wouldnt matter to me-my beliefs are close to those Bush,religion wise,and I didnt vote for him-issues,man,issues!!!
Exactly. Who cares if he's a Mormon? Maybe you consider it a cult - I consider it just another faith, and not one that's highly at odds with my own moral code. Practicing Mormons are very strong on national defense, family values, and personal responsibility. I've known quite a few who take their faith seriously, and they are without a question people who I respect for their disciplined approach to practicing what they preach - while never being the type who would preach AT me. I've dated a couple of Mormon girls, and never felt unwelcome or uncomfortable amongst a Mormon family.
I understand what you're talking about in regard to the faith being a fraud - if you've ever read Samuel Clements' (Mark Twain) "Roughing It" he has a hilarious series of chapters on his perspective of the faith where he manages to make the clear point of its dubious origins while still noting the industriousness and high character of those involved.
I didn't really intend for this to be a defense of Mormons - the point is that I agree with FM in that it's about issues - and even if we agree that Mormonism is a fraud, those who dutifully practice it are decent people.
TheLateGreat 02-26-2006, 11:50 PM What 43 other Mormons have we been "under"?
None. 43 who can "so easily taken in by a cult."
Mobile Vulgus 02-27-2006, 12:06 AM None. 43 who can "so easily taken in by a cult."
Well, then. You admit to senseless blather?
TheLateGreat 02-27-2006, 12:09 AM Well, then. You admit to senseless blather?
No, "religions are merely cults that passed the test of time."
jimmyjude 02-27-2006, 12:41 AM I won't vote for a Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah Witness, or Islamic.
what a stupid question - no politician can be trusted.
That's likely to be the best answer on this thread. :D
Mobile Vulgus 02-27-2006, 02:10 AM No, "religions are merely cults that passed the test of time."
You have LARGE problems with definitions, don't you.
TheLateGreat 02-27-2006, 02:12 AM No.
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Mobile Vulgus 02-27-2006, 12:01 PM Obviously you do. You haven't a CLUE, for instance, what a "cult" is if you think every president has been IN one!
fat mike 02-27-2006, 12:24 PM A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The followers of such a religion or sect.
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
The object of such devotion.
An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cult
OK,Java started this,there's your definition-religions DO tend to start as an extreme departure from the mainstream.
OK,I'm weird and don't assign a perjorative element to the word "cult".
Mainstream cultures tend to be full of bland yesmen incapable of independent thought-call me a cultist anyday...
orangikan 02-27-2006, 01:17 PM Is this guy any kin to George Romney?
He's his son. Having lived in Utah for 25 years and not being LDS, I do have an opinion about this. Vote for the guy, not his religion. When JFK was running, there was a Catholic backlash; people saying he would take the Pope's advice..BS.
Mormons are fiscally conservative and almost calvinistic in their business practices, and in how they run govt. While Utah has a low tax base, due to large families, they always have a balanced budget and good, if lean, social services. They are, of course, anti abortion and anti gay, but pro stem cell research, and not nuts about the death penalty like Texas, but very much pro punsihment and tough laws.
Romney couldn't run Massachussetts without paying attention to the majority, non LDS, opinion.
If he does run, he will get flack for bring LDS, and stories will come out about some of their "weirder" beliefs, but the LDS are an adaptible religion. They changed 180 from their anti black stance (sons of Cain), for political reasons (the prophet just needs a word from God). They backed off their polygamy position when it threatened Statehood (although they are tolerant of it still), and they are very pro constitution.
Java_man 02-27-2006, 02:06 PM Obviously you do. You haven't a CLUE, for instance, what a "cult" is if you think every president has been IN one!
I hate* to pull the rug out from under you, but the definition of CULT includes religion and worship
*not really, it is fun actually
Mobile Vulgus 02-27-2006, 02:09 PM A definition INCLUDING something does NOT equate to EQUALLING something!
Because cults have "worship" in it does NOT mean that all religion is cultish!
So, to YOU, because water is blue and the sky is blue, then they are the same thing using your "logic"!
Stone 02-27-2006, 02:32 PM Most mormons are too orthodox (fundamentalist?) for the presidency. Though, the honesty and level-headedness typical of mormons would a welcome relief from the madness of the last century or so.
SecretSamadhi 02-27-2006, 02:34 PM I'm going to say No on this one. Sorry to sound harsh, but I do agree that Mormons have to be a certain kind of naive to believe the thing sthat they do.
Normally I'd say religion doesn't matter, but I think Mormons are on the fruity side :p
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