PMed Oki about Thumper's persistent claim regarding muslims and welfare-and with his permission:Re: thumpsky
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Originally Posted by fat mike
he claims that Europe is spending welfare money on ,muslim immigrants-of course some of that might be unavoidable Can you direct to some sources so I can see what the real picture is?
well, in dutch:
Personen met een uitkering:
- Autochtonen 12.2 %
- Westerse allochtonen 14.5 %
- Niet-westerse allochtonen 22.8 %

Personen met een bijstands-uitkering:
- Autochtonen 2.1 %
- Westerse allochtonen 4.1 %
- Niet-westerse allochtonen 13.8 % (Marokkanen, Arubanen en Antillianen zitten ruim boven dit gemiddelde)

so 22 % of non-western immigrants in holland have some form of social security, and 13% of them have welfare. so 88% of them have jobs, go to school, or are children, or support themselves.

that should annoy thumlet a bit.
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Uhh what does this say? Maybe oki can translate?

* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.
* Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.
* Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.
* Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem. Another is threats to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam. One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.
* Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them."
* Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/450

Persons with a benefit:
- Autochthons 12.2%
- Western immigrants 14.5%
- Niet-westerse immigrants 22.8%-non western
Persons with a social assistance benefit al assis:
- Autochthons 2.1%
- Western immigrants 4.1%
- Niet-westerse immigrants 13.8%
confounded translators-autochthons?/??

Marokkanen, Arubanen en Antillianen zitten ruim boven dit gemiddelde=
Moroccans, Arubanen and Antillians sit largely above this average

mine's in english > *

Persons with a benefit:
- Autochthons 12.2%
- Western immigrants 14.5%
- Niet-westerse immigrants 22.8%-non western
Persons with a social assistance benefit al assis:
- Autochthons 2.1%
- Western immigrants 4.1%
- Niet-westerse immigrants 13.8%
confounded translators-autochthons?/??

Marokkanen, Arubanen en Antillianen zitten ruim boven dit gemiddelde=
Moroccans, Arubanen and Antillians sit largely above this average


what is an autochtohons? Niet-wsterse?

Are you trying to commune with oki on this one Mike?

http://www.smiliesftw.com/!/kekekegay.gif

did oki really call me thumpsky

He called you "thumlet"


what is an autochtohons? Niet-wsterse?

Are you trying to commune with oki on this one Mike?

He probably sent me this and went to sleep-I couldnt find autochthons on the internet or in my dictionary but I think it means native-niet westerse is non western

thumlet? is that like hamlet?

thumplet is another :o

thumlet? is that like hamlet?

thumplet is another :o

Oki'll be awake in a couple hours-ask the guru himself.
We have a lot of nicknames for you,youngster.

:o :o

Not that!!we're talking about me and Oki-neither one of us is mean...

My nickname for him is "fagnuts".

It's a term of endearment.

mine's in english > * yours is largely made up.. :p

what is an autochtohons? Niet-wsterse?

Are you trying to commune with oki on this one Mike? autochton= immigrant- foreign origin (includes people who were born here, but with a foreign origin)

did oki really call me thumpsky yes, nicknames make you seem cute.

okay, but serious, in holland, the largest number of non-dutch people on gouv. support is 22,8 %. this includes old and sick people. sorry for stuffing you with dutch, mike, I was sleepy...

It's ok,partner-can you find anything on Denmark? They have a party with an anti immigration plank in charge right now-his fgures don't seem consistent with that...

* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/450 actually , this is about right. they are beieng terribly discriminated against, and a lot want to leave, because they are scared and its impossible for them to get a job.
the number there used to be about 25 % as well.

note, that about 80% of people who can work in denmark, have work. only this group doesnt. its rediculous to think that its like that, because muslims like to be unemployed and poor.

What is this thread about?

Thumper persistently does this song and dance about Muslims using up all the benefits in Europe,it's a rejoinder...

actually , this is about right. they are beieng terribly discriminated against, and a lot want to leave, because they are scared and its impossible for them to get a job.
the number there used to be about 25 % as well.

note, that about 80% of people who can work in denmark, have work. only this group doesnt. its rediculous to think that its like that, because muslims like to be unemployed and poor.stop importing people that no one asked for :shrug:

it's really doing no one any favours.

stop importing people that no one asked for :shrug:

it's really doing no one any favours. thats what they did, actually, denmark has teh toughest policy in europe. that only made things worse. its not as simple as you think. most of them are actually born denish now.

thats what they did, actually, denmark has teh toughest policy in europe. that only made things worse. its not as simple as you think. most of them are actually born denish now.it's not your fault or the muslims, I know. but we have to call a spade a spade. even now, the UK has the highest immigration rates EVER whilst talking out the other side of their mouth about 'terrorism'. if a society feels hostile to immigrants now, what will they think when entire cities are overtaken? we have to start thinking rationally. and no, i don't see how Denmark made things any worse. if they didn't put those measures in they would be like France and the place would be a muslim country by now.

the illuminati are using the immigrants to balkanize society and bring about tyranny :o

immigrants in denmark have been isolated, just as you'd like to see. the policies there are what the people want, since they voted for it. and this is an indication of how they treat muslims in daily life. how is it these immigrants fault? they were taken in a country, then islolated and now have no jobs, and are poor. do you relaly think that thats what these people came to denmark for? they should at least make serious efforts to intergrate these people.
britain has yet to have its mini revolution like the dutch and denmark, where politics shift to the allmsot far right, because of people fearing islam. thats because the brits dont simply vote each 4 years, but only when the ruling party thinks its time to vote.

things will only get better when Jesus comes back :(

immigrants in denmark have been isolated, just as you'd like to see. the policies there are what the people want, since they voted for it. and this is an indication of how they treat muslims in daily life. how is it these immigrants fault? they were taken in a country, then islolated and now have no jobs, and are poor. do you relaly think that thats what these people came to denmark for? they should at least make serious efforts to intergrate these people.
britain has yet to have its mini revolution like the dutch and denmark, where politics shift to the allmsot far right, because of people fearing islam. thats because the brits dont simply vote each 4 years, but only when the ruling party thinks its time to vote.don't you think radicalism of the native population might be related to mass immigration of foreigners? i'm sure this would be a problem anywhere else in the world as well.

The problem is simply this population A leaves country A-deals with 2nd class citizenship-begets population B
population B questons why they're treated like they're less than 1st class citizens

The problem is simply this population A leaves country A-deals with 2nd class citizenship-begets population B
population B questons why they're treated like they're less than 1st class citizensbecause they belong in country A :shrug:

i really don't see how the concept of forced integration being a bad idea is so mysterious. that's like me showing up at someones house and wondering why they won't treat me like just another member of the family. it makes me look foolish, and the host family resentful. no mutual respect that thrive in such an environment.

don't you think radicalism of the native population might be related to mass immigration of foreigners? i'm sure this would be a problem anywhere else in the world as well. it is related. but radicalism only leads to conflict. you reject radicalism from muslims, and embrace radicalism of your own. that doesnt make any sense.

because they belong in country A :shrug:

i really don't see how the concept of forced integration being a bad idea is so mysterious. that's like me showing up at someones house and wondering why they won't treat me like just another member of the family. it makes me look foolish, and the host family resentful. no mutual respect that thrive in such an environment. they were invited. its more like asking someone to come live in yoru house, and then not talk to him, and not serve him any food.

they were invited. its more like asking someone to come live in yoru house, and then not talk to him, and not serve him any food.by irresponsible government, or should i say the NEW WORLD ORDER.

whats this new world order?

:o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_L8sfSk_YEE

I think he likes the music..

:o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_L8sfSk_YEE saw that one allready once.
yes, that song totally rocks. :nice:
anyway, I think that every political direction has its own version of what the new world order is, totally supporting their own agenda.

saw that one allready once.
yes, that song totally rocks. :nice:
anyway, I think that every political direction has its own version of what the new world order is, totally supporting their own agenda.that's what they think... although secretly they are being manipulated and are only serving satan. :o

for example all the little jihadis who honestly think they are taking over Europe... don't even realize that they recieve most of their funding from these very countries, like Londonistan for instance.

yea well conflict makes some people wealthy.
they can basically do what they want, because there are hardly any global rules.
but Ill bet you see people who actually try to regulate things more, as the same NWO, right?

yea well conflict makes some people wealthy.
they can basically do what they want, because there are hardly any global rules.
but Ill bet you see people who actually try to regulate things more, as the same NWO, right?yes they invented socialism and communism

yes they invented socialism and communism
so okay, lest say, no global rules or structure.
corporate rule. exactly what you call serving the devil. we will all be played as puppets by an untouchable structure bigger then any of us can reach.

<thump>

let me get this straight-his theory is based on the notion that one of the least influential and poorest groups of people on earth are actually in control of everything?

let me get this straight-his theory is based on the notion that one of the least influential and poorest groups of people on earth are actually in control of everything?come again

Thumper persistently does this song and dance about Muslims using up all the benefits in Europe,it's a rejoinder...

How many white citizens live in third world countries and receive welfare, SSI and free housing and food stamps that the non-white citizens are forced to pay for by their government? Oh that's right we're not being encouraged to immigrate to those countries and demand aid and welfare, so the answer is none. Something doesn't seem right .:confused:




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Do you really want to go? The white people seem to control the wealth-so you're smug and cocky.

Do you really want to go? The white people seem to control the wealth-so you're smug and cocky.white people being blamed for their succes, how liberal

white people being blamed for their succes, how liberal

Yes,I AM a liberal-there's nothing with people being successful as long as they don't resort to immoral means to do that but a lot of the tension between us and the 3rd world is related to success-it's BS to use the rhetorical tactic "Well we couldnt go there and do that" They don't have the resources-

Yes,I AM a liberal-there's nothing with people being successful as long as they don't resort to immoral means to do that but a lot of the tension between us and the 3rd world is related to success-it's BS to use the rhetorical tactic "Well we couldnt go there and do that" They don't have the resources-modern economies are not built on resources. just look at britain or japan.

modern economies are not built on resources. just look at britain or japan.

You're confusing the word "resources" with " raw materials"-Japan and the UK are very wealthy.The 3rd world lacks infrastructure and educated people.

You're confusing the word "resources" with " raw materials"-Japan and the UK are very wealthy.The 3rd world lacks infrastructure and educated people.
japan nor britain started off with infrastruture or educated people.

japan nor britain started off with infrastruture or educated people.

They started off with a navy

They started off with a navyno, they didn't start off with that either.

Do you really want to go? The white people seem to control the wealth-so you're smug and cocky.

Did you ever stop to think why the white folks control others ? Maybe because they are the only ones who kept God as their law giver ? While other's worshipped other gods . But now we have all left God .

Not matter if you beleive in God or not, we all know there is good and bad .

These other nations don't have laws that protect them . They are held down by basic instincts .

Did you ever stop to think why the white folks control others ? Maybe because they are the only ones who kept God as their law giver ? While other's worshipped other gods .

It's pretty repulsive to think that some people still think about the world in these terms.

It's pretty repulsive to think that some people still think about the world in these terms.in that case, it's up to non-whites to prove otherwise *cough*stopinvadingtheWest*cough*

in that case, it's up to non-whites to prove otherwise *cough*stopinvadingtheWest*cough*

It's not up to "non-whites" to prove that there aren't really stupid, primitive, crude mindless bigots, because it's obvious (right here on DA) that there are more than a few, unfortunately.

It's not up to "non-whites" to prove that there aren't really stupid, primitive, crude mindless bigots, because it's obvious (right here on DA) that there are more than a few, unfortunately.achievement > rhetoric

Did you ever stop to think why the white folks control others ? Maybe because they are the only ones who kept God as their law giver ? While other's worshipped other gods . But now we have all left God .

Not matter if you beleive in God or not, we all know there is good and bad .

These other nations don't have laws that protect them . They are held down by basic instincts .

God doesn't always promote the ones He favours most-Israel lost many wars when they were in God's favour-Christians all over the world have given their lives for the Gospel.
Some of these Christians were NOT white.There are many black and Spanish Christians in this country-they're my brethren in the Spirit- and they're closer to me than any White Heathen.Racists are godless heathens,they worship animistic idols from Europe's past and promote a philosophy of hate and Murder-they are AntiChrist-wake up and cast off your chains...