The Democrats need a message and a new way of communicating that message to a mass audience. They have neither.

The nation plainly elected Mr Bush - he won more than 50% of the vote - something Bill Clinton never managed. So why is it that Democrats can't move on? The answer is that they don't know where to go.

On the Iraq war, for instance. Are they for it or against it? When it goes badly they are against it, but in the few months last year when elections were first held in Iraq they were rather for it.

Democrats do not have a message on the key issues of our time.

And do not be fooled by those who say this malaise is structural, at this stage of the electoral cycle there isn't a presidential candidate etc.

No, it is more than that. The American left has faded away.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4747254.stm

Hmmm....a pretty interesting essay from a British Broadcasting reporter covering the US.

I was just thinking along this line because I've been in the Green Party, which is farther left than the Democrats, and I'm not exaggerating these people are just wandering in the dark. They have no clue. I don't know where the intellectual leadership in the Left is anymore, but it sure isn't what it used to be.

The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American. they have, since McGovern ran for president, been inexorably driven into the arms of the socialist, anti-American left in Europe.

The US left has abandoned the realm of being American and entered the foolish and self-defeating world of being a "citizen of the world". The last good Democrats left office sometime in the early 1980s and have been replaced with people who either outright hate the USA, its history, laws and traditions or people who are just too stupid to understand that their policy ideas bear no relation to what is American.

The US left are now inherently anti-American in all things from policy to culture to general outlook.

And the reason they have been in decline politically is that common Americans instinctively feel this truth. They have a basic unease with the left because they just know in their bones that the left does NOT have America's interests at heart. Average Americans understand that the left wishes the total destruction of America to be remade in an image that is NOT American in any way, shape, or form.

This decline will continue until a new crop of Democrats that are actually American at heart re-take the Party from the extreme, leftist, hatemongers who run it now.

The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American. they have, since McGovern ran for president, been inexorably driven into the arms of the socialist, anti-American left in Europe.

The US left has abandoned the realm of being American and entered the foolish and self-defeating world of being a "citizen of the world". The last good Democrats left office sometime in the early 1980s and have been replaced with people who either outright hate the USA, its history, laws and traditions or people who are just too stupid to understand that their policy ideas bear no relation to what is American.

The US left are now inherently anti-American in all things from policy to culture to general outlook.

And the reason they have been in decline politically is that common Americans instinctively feel this truth. They have a basic unease with the left because they just know in their bones that the left does NOT have America's interests at heart. Average Americans understand that the left wishes the total destruction of America to be remade in an image that is NOT American in any way, shape, or form.

This decline will continue until a new crop of Democrats that are actually American at heart re-take the Party from the extreme, leftist, hatemongers who run it now.



To begin with, there is abundant evidence that extreme political opinions lead to the personal demonization of fellow citizens.

[ . . . ]

It may or may not be that extreme politics is by itself what makes a person angry and uncompassionate; but it certainly cannot be improving the situation. After all, the partisan political machine today is geared toward the destruction of opponents--to convince us that the other side is not just misguided, but evil. Mounting evidence that adherence to extreme political attitudes correlates with a fundamental lack of compassion is not encouraging for the future of our civic culture, as long as rage is used as a political device.

link (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007992&mod=RSS_Opinion_Journal&ojrss=frontpage)


some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

* Fear and aggression
* Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
* Uncertainty avoidance
* Need for cognitive closure
* Terror management

[ . . . ]

Hitler, Mussolini, and former President Ronald Reagan were individuals, but all were right-wing conservatives because they preached a return to an idealized past and condoned inequality in some form. Talk host Rush Limbaugh can be described the same way, the authors commented in a published reply to the article.

[ . . . ]

The researchers said that conservative ideologies, like virtually all belief systems, develop in part because they satisfy some psychological needs

[ . . . ]

This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes, the researchers advised.


link (http://www.berkeley.edu/news%3Cb%3E*%20BooRadleydia/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml)

The Democrap Party is just worthless and irrelevant. But they aren't the left. As the Democraps die a slow death, the left benefits.

Here's a good assessment of the Democraps:

The past few weeks have amply demonstrated why the Democratic Party is headed for history's scrap heap.

At a time when the vast majority of Americans have concluded that the president is a lying incompetent and, most likely, something of a nutcase and a Johnny One-Note, and that his vice president is a secrecy-obsessed booze-swiller lacking in basic decency and human feelings (and a bad shot into the bargain), at a time when most Americans think that the administration's single enduring legacy--a three year war in Iraq--was a stupid idea, at a time when the White House has been caught violating the law and spying massively on ordinary Americans, at a time when virtually every major domestic policy initiative of this administration, from education to homeland security to Medicare, has proven to be an unmitigated disaster, the nation's leading Democrats have been galvanized around ... the sale of port operations on the East Coast to a firm based in Dubai.

Of all the venal, stupid and evil things this administration has done over the past five years, this is probably the least significant you could come up with.

.........
If all that the Democratic leadership, and Democratic presidential hopefuls can get worked up about is something like the sale of port operations to an Arab-based company (or in the pathetic Sen. Hillary Clinton's case, the threat of someone burning an American flag!), the Democratic Party is properly going the way of the Whigs.

And none too fast.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff02242006.html

The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American.

Ahh, good. A man named Mobile Vulgus has determined what it is to be 'American' (nationalistic) and has deemd the 'left' (based on a political party that is now quite moderate) 'Not American'. Sweet. How absolutly insane.

A few things that have happened in the last 50 years:

* Communism was tried in several countries and is a spectacular failure.
* The social programs leftists fight for have been implemented in the US and it was a Democrat, Bill Clinton, that ended most of them because of the abuses (among other reasons).
* The social programs, socialized medicine etc. that leftists fight for in Europe are going broke. The future of the programs are in doubt. Several presidents like Gerhard Schroeder and Chirac and Berlusconi have tried to cut back the spending due to current and projected budget problems.

Communism and certain national welfare policies are leftist policies and both are poorly conceived and have had to be terminated due to the enormous number of problems that start popping up all over the place.

It's not necessarily the leftist values that are the problem but the implementation of that into public policy has just been one huge disaster after another over the last 50-100 years. Even a small program like Social Security, which was pushed into law by leftists, is running into budget problems.

If anyone can name a national welfare program that does NOT eventually run into a budget brick wall, please do so.

When you have a record of pushing policies and when they are in place are spectacular failures like communism, I believe that has to hurt the left very very badly.

By contrast on the right wing side:

* The right wing has argued for free trade for decades.
* The right wing has argued for more open immigration policies for decades.
* The right wing has argued for free capital movement for decades.

All of those are part of globalization and if you ask the average Indian or Chinese who's out of poverty because of exports to America, these policies are spectacular successes.

Bottom line is that there appears to be far more successes over the last 50 or so years when moderate right wing policies were tried than when leftist policies were.

When you have a record of pushing policies and when they are in place are spectacular failures like communism, I believe that has to hurt the left very very badly.

Yes, total left policys dont work. But completly rightist (or fascist) policys dont work either.

The left lacks focus.

When the vast majority of the "there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats" sit on the left, there's a dispersal of clout and political capital. In their obsession with individuality and rebelliousness as paramount virtues, they've rejected the maxim of "united we stand, divided we fall." Well, the left isn't standing.

The left lacks focus.

When the vast majority of the "there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats" sit on the left, there's a dispersal of clout and political capital. In their obsession with individuality and rebelliousness as paramount virtues, they've rejected the maxim of "united we stand, divided we fall." Well, the left isn't standing.

The fallacy with your logic is you think that

A. You do put your faith in republicans and democrats when they'v proven themselves corrupt parties as a whole time and time again, prone to eventually ruin america, simply because they are the obvious and simple answer. But your annoyd that the left lacks the 'focus' to follow them blindly?

If anything, at least the left remains focused on whats good for american, and not whats good for americas political parties.

B. The left believes that 'united we stand' does not mean that you have to support policys you disagree with. You live in a society, and you enjoy the perks while tolerating the will of the masses, so long as the will obviously does not inflict itself on yours greatly. And you should be allowed to disagree with actions of the whole without being called a traitor, a freedom hater, unamerican, etc and so on.

A man named Mobile Vulgus

Ha, ha. You probably don't even KNOW what the words MEAN much less the significance of them!!!

The Democrats need a message and a new way of communicating that message to a mass audience. They have neither.

The nation plainly elected Mr Bush - he won more than 50% of the vote - something Bill Clinton never managed. So why is it that Democrats can't move on? The answer is that they don't know where to go.

On the Iraq war, for instance. Are they for it or against it? When it goes badly they are against it, but in the few months last year when elections were first held in Iraq they were rather for it.

Democrats do not have a message on the key issues of our time.

And do not be fooled by those who say this malaise is structural, at this stage of the electoral cycle there isn't a presidential candidate etc.

No, it is more than that. The American left has faded away.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4747254.stm

Hmmm....a pretty interesting essay from a British Broadcasting reporter covering the US.

I was just thinking along this line because I've been in the Green Party, which is farther left than the Democrats, and I'm not exaggerating these people are just wandering in the dark. They have no clue. I don't know where the intellectual leadership in the Left is anymore, but it sure isn't what it used to be.
This is all baloney.

Bush did not get the majority in 2000 and in 2004 committed widespread fraud to keep power. His current popularity rating is 30 percent. Even his own party is turning on him since he sold the security in america's ports like some pimp selling a cheap *****.

I do think the democrats, at least most of them have failed to really listen to people though. They keep sucking up to the Republicans and try to be like them. Its time the Democratic party starts growing a pair and stands up to Bush and the rest of his religo-fascist KKKorporate scum.

Hopefully once the RepubliKKKans are booted out in 2006 we can finally impeach that bastard and the US will finally recover from the last 6 years of Bush-o-nomics.

The American Left's major problem is that they haven't realized that Anger & Hate are not a very good platform.

Bush did not get the majority in 2000 and in 2004 committed widespread fraud to keep power.

There was only one true part IN this bit of doggerel! Bush didn't get a "majority". But, then, neither did Clinton!

Unfortunately for leftist, hate monger who pretend to be American, though, the whole "Bush vote fraud" thing has not a shred of evidence to substantiate. In FACT, when vote fraud is looked into in this country, it is ROUTINELY found that it is DEMOCRATS that are involved instead of Republicans!

"Advice" from one's opponents is always somewhat suspect, and never more so than when those opponents have demonstrated strong eliminationist tendencies and a distinct lack of principles.
The American Left's major problem is that they haven't realized that Anger & Hate are not a very good platform.
No, it's not, but it has worked pretty well for the Republicans. It worked for them in 1994, and again since 2000.
The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American.
Are we then to take lessons in "how to be American" from someone who doesn't even appreciate why the Declaration of Independence was written as an appeal to reason, or that it implicitly accepts the notion of a social contract? From someone who doesn't know what "to secure these rights" within that document means, or can't distinguish the right to life that it does mention from the right to property that it doesn't? From someone who thinks the general-welfare clause was left in the Constitution by accident? From someone who doesn't know the difference between liberty, property, and individuality? These are all basic failures in understanding what it means to be an American, and have been observed just in the last couple of days not from the left but from those who hate the left.

Should the psychiatrist ask for instruction from the patient? You're crazy if you think so. It's not the left that has forgotten what this nation stands for.

There was only one true part IN this bit of doggerel! Bush didn't get a "majority". But, then, neither did Clinton!

Yea, clinton did.


Unfortunately for leftist, hate monger who pretend to be American, though, the whole "Bush vote fraud" thing has not a shred of evidence to substantiate.

To name just a couple of items worth considering, without going anywhere into overvotes and oddities....


Vote suppression/voter intimidation and deception. Shortages of voting locations and ballot forms. Foreign monitors barred from polls. Unmatched exit polls/actual results - actual results always skewed to Republicans. Masses of e-Voting "glitches". Computers lost votes. Presidential votes miscast on e-Voting machines throughout the US. More recorded votes than voters. Republicans gained 128.45% in Florida counties using optical scan voting machines while Democrats lost 21% - some districts showed gains of over 400% while one, Liberty County, gained over 700% for Republicans.Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns. Bush had 'incredible' vote tallies. 7% turnout reported in Cleveland precinct. In Cuyahoga County different towns had the exact same number of "extra" votes. And on, and on...

About the 'democrat fraud' thing--You dont know history. :|

The American Left's major problem is that they haven't realized that Anger & Hate are not a very good platform.

It worked for the GOP.

Are you conflating the left with the dems? I do that occaisionally, but that is more to get a rise out of both lefties and dems, you know to piss them off. I didn't think that you would do that.

The left "in trouble" implies that they were ever a serious force in the United States.

The left have never been elected nationwide and none of their ideas have ever been implemented while on the right both have happened.

I was thinking today that FDR probably helped to save America from an extremist rightist government. That was a strange experience for me, thinking of FDR positively.

I was thinking today that FDR probably helped to save America from an extremist rightist government.

I'd LOVE to see you prove THAT nonsense!!!

The fallacy with your logic is you think that

A. You do put your faith in republicans and democrats when they'v proven themselves corrupt parties as a whole time and time again, prone to eventually ruin america, simply because they are the obvious and simple answer. But your annoyd that the left lacks the 'focus' to follow them blindly?


I'm not annoyed. And that's not a counterargument against what I said....if one accepts your position on the Democrats and Republicans, then it is merely an explanation for the radical left's abandonment of the political mainstream and the failure of the moderate left, who have been left on the vine.

If anything, at least the left remains focused on whats good for american, and not whats good for americas political parties.

That's great, but domestic and foreign policy are made through political means.


B. The left believes that 'united we stand' does not mean that you have to support policys you disagree with.

Does the left have any suggested policies? Does the left even agree on anything themselves, aside from not being on the right?


You live in a society, and you enjoy the perks while tolerating the will of the masses, so long as the will obviously does not inflict itself on yours greatly. And you should be allowed to disagree with actions of the whole without being called a traitor, a freedom hater, unamerican, etc and so on.

The left is a lot of things. It can be when it is as disjointed as it currently is.

The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American. they have, since McGovern ran for president, been inexorably driven into the arms of the socialist, anti-American left in Europe.

The US left has abandoned the realm of being American and entered the foolish and self-defeating world of being a "citizen of the world". The last good Democrats left office sometime in the early 1980s and have been replaced with people who either outright hate the USA, its history, laws and traditions or people who are just too stupid to understand that their policy ideas bear no relation to what is American.

The US left are now inherently anti-American in all things from policy to culture to general outlook.

And the reason they have been in decline politically is that common Americans instinctively feel this truth. They have a basic unease with the left because they just know in their bones that the left does NOT have America's interests at heart. Average Americans understand that the left wishes the total destruction of America to be remade in an image that is NOT American in any way, shape, or form.

This decline will continue until a new crop of Democrats that are actually American at heart re-take the Party from the extreme, leftist, hatemongers who run it now.

Good post.

You're right about the good democrats fading away in the 80's. Sam Nunn is a great example of that. He was one of the last of a dying breed.

Other than a handful of moderate Democrats like Liebermann in the senate, and the blue dog types in the house (which there are now only 30 left), the majority of modern Democrats are liberals, which doesn't bode well for the party.

The fact that howard Dean is the head of the national party speaks volumes. He damages the party every time he opens his mouth, but no one will force him to step down. He's the biggest loose cannon since Surgeon General Elders, who publicly claimed that teaching kindergarten students how to masturbate was a really great idea. That was the one that cost her the job.

The power structure of the party has created this. In order for anyone to rise to any prominence, or gain a good committee seat, they have no choice but to tow the party line of the left.


They should wake up and learn from people like Hillary. Although I don't support her in any way, and shudder at the thought of her ever being elected president, she appears to be a centerist. I don't believefor one minute that she truly is one, but she's politically astute enough to know that running to the left is the easiest way to lose an election, so she has taken on the persona of being moderate, and even conservative on some issues.


Many politicians are afraid to be conseravative, but candidtaes who are pro life, support a strong defense, low taxes and other traditionally conseravtive positions win elections consistently. This notion that candidates need to be more liberal to win is completely false when it comes to national, and some statewide elections.

The average American isn't liberal, and the Dems should realize this, or at least admit it to themselves. the electorate is, and almost always has been moderate to right, and liberal ideas don't resonate well with the majority of them. Election results from the early 80's until today prove this to be undeniably true.

Even Bill Clinton pretended to be a "new" democrat, and even pretended that he would cut income taxes. It never happened, but he won twice.

I don't think he ever would have won a two way race, but his ability to act like a conservative, and claim Republican ideas as his own turned many voters to him, who otherwise would have voted for Bush or Dole.

The problem with the American left is that they are no longer American. they have, since McGovern ran for president, been inexorably driven into the arms of the socialist, anti-American left in Europe.

The US left has abandoned the realm of being American and entered the foolish and self-defeating world of being a "citizen of the world". The last good Democrats left office sometime in the early 1980s and have been replaced with people who either outright hate the USA, its history, laws and traditions or people who are just too stupid to understand that their policy ideas bear no relation to what is American.

The US left are now inherently anti-American in all things from policy to culture to general outlook.

And the reason they have been in decline politically is that common Americans instinctively feel this truth. They have a basic unease with the left because they just know in their bones that the left does NOT have America's interests at heart. Average Americans understand that the left wishes the total destruction of America to be remade in an image that is NOT American in any way, shape, or form.

This decline will continue until a new crop of Democrats that are actually American at heart re-take the Party from the extreme, leftist, hatemongers who run it now.

Now you would think with the above level of thought coming from the right that it would be a walk for the left wouldnt you. the problem with the left is they never met an interest group they didnt like. There is no focus, no singularity of purpose as the right has. Which is simply a very fixed position that anyone who violates it is "they are no longer American"

Same with the Greens, the Canadian NDP and I am sure the Social Democrats in Europe. Really the only time this collection of perspectives ever gets into power is when the right is such an abhorrent alternative as to cause the majority to vote left.

I for one am an advocte of the center. I firml believe that both the right and the left are far to fixed in their thinking to provide decent leadership. In the US guys like McCain appeal to me. I am sure there are a number of centerist dems that I would find interesting but cant think of one right now.

US guys like McCain appeal to me

Then you don't know much about either the "center" OR McCain!!! (we already KNOW you don't know anything about American Democrats)

He is nearly as conservative as the most conservative out there-- check his voting record. His only appeal to the "middle" is his ability to make it seem like he is a "maverick" and most people imagine that because he is supposed to be a "maverick" then he must somehow be a "centrist".

McCain's supposed centrism is a sham. And he has fooled the CRAP outta YOU! He is a media ***** is all. and he is NO "centrist".

And his uncontrollable temper and his obscene desire to be "loved" by the media makes him too unstable to be president. He cannot be trusted as a level headed leader.

One thing WILL be fin, though. When he turns against the press and starts ripping them from stem to stern, it will be funny to see how they react to him.

The last American liberal worth a shit was Zell Miller.

The last American liberal worth a shit was Zell Miller.


Yea, he's real liberal...:rolleyes:

If only you guys could step back and see how crazy your anti-liberal ravings look like.

:nonono:

He's a better liberal than you'll ever be. If only you could step back and see what a lunatic you look like. For me it's simply common damn sense. When 60% of the federal budget is spent to serve a small minority of the population, there's a problem. Why can't you see that?

... because he knows that that small minority will continue to vote his pals in and THAT is all he cares about!

There isn't any principle IN it. Just a quest for power. And it is soooo much easier to get people's votes when you are PAYING them to cast them!

Yea, clinton did.


Define "majority". Bill Clinton received less than 50% of the popular vote in both of his elections, whereas Bush broke 50% in his second.

Define "majority". Bill Clinton received less than 50% of the popular vote in both of his elections, whereas Bush broke 50% in his second.

I think Swift meant plurality, meaning he got the most votes, more votes than the other guy did. Most people use 'majority' loosely.

The "American Left" (which I guess will suffice as an umbrella term for various non-united and previously countercultural groups) has already had so many victories that the "American Right" (which I guess will suffice an umbrella term for various non-united groups which favor traditional social orders) has accepted many things they used to fight against. Could a right-wing party successfully run a campaign based on keeping women at home and blacks in their place?

Jeesh! The Democrats lose two consecutive Presidential elections, and everyone thinks the party is dead??

Talk about overreaction... :nonono:

But then again this is a great opportunity for the Libertarian Party to jump in and win a few seats here and there. If people think the GOP is evil and the Democratic party is dying, maybe they'll finally wake up and vote third party.

Could a right-wing party successfully run a campaign based on keeping women at home and blacks in their place?

A pointles question since no such Party exists or COULD exist in the USA.

A pointles question since no such Party exists or COULD exist in the USA.

I suppose you have no knowledge either of the past or the present.

We are talking NOW not 30 years ago and more, fool.

Such parties do exist now, very fringe parties. As for calling me a fool because you're talking about NOW and 30 years ago, that just proves my point. The "American Left" has been so successful on those issues that the current "Right" has accepted the previously "Left" POV. Racial discrimination is thought of as crass and immoral by mainstream conservatives and especially the GOP, and the GOP is so supportive of working mothers that they encourage them to go earn a wage instead of raising their kid at home on welfare. :)

Such parties do exist now, very fringe parties

Name one. Then prove that it is a viable, supported Party. One nut in a lawn chair, holding a sign does NOT make a Party!

And, um, ther FIRST Party in the USA that was against racism was the REPUBLICAN PARTY. So, your "left started anti-racism" is not supported by any real history at all.

The "American left" is in trouble in the sense that it doesn't really exist in any organized or influential way. It's basically a collection of individuals who are more interested in telling the truth than in getting promoted, writing best sellers, being appointed to cushy government or quasi-government positions. There is no viable political party that even remotely represents leftist ideas or positions on issues, and no leftist is ever invited to share his/her perspective on the Sunday talk shows.

The Bush administration has sort of functioned as living confirmation of everything the American left has been saying for years, and as the Democrap party continues to lapse into irrelevance (from their inability to even pretend to be the opposition party), more and more people will start listening to the left.

It's basically a collection of individuals who are more interested in telling the truth


Hahahahahahah...

OR it is usually a collective of mind-numbed, idiots who cannot think for themselves and will walk off any cliff presented to them by other leftist hate-mongers.

Name one. Then prove that it is a viable, supported Party. One nut in a lawn chair, holding a sign does NOT make a Party!

And, um, ther FIRST Party in the USA that was against racism was the REPUBLICAN PARTY. So, your "left started anti-racism" is not supported by any real history at all.

For the racism, the American Nazi Party and the American Independent Party exists. For the theocratic stuff, the American Heritage Party, Constitution Party, Constitutional Action Party, etc. I do not have to prove that they are popular parties because my point was that such views have been pushed to the fringe.

Republican is not synonymous with any coherent right or left wing, and Republicans were not anti-racists. Organized anti-racist movements were generally countercultural and now their views are mainstream.

He's a better liberal than you'll ever be. If only you could step back and see what a lunatic you look like. For me it's simply common damn sense. When 60% of the federal budget is spent to serve a small minority of the population, there's a problem. Why can't you see that?


See, you don't even know what a liberal is you moron.

I'm not here constantly making crazy rants based on what I hear from Rush Limbaugh about liberals/conservatives like you are. I bet when you shit yourself you blame it on liberals too eh? :rolleyes:

You wanna talk about waste of our money, let's talk about that BS war in Iraq which is projected to cost us 2 trillion dollars that you support because the Republicans told you Saddam had scary WMD's. 2 trillion dollars that is being flushed down the toilet, besides all the lives being snuffed out that people like you could care less about.

What is bankrupting and destroying this country is the rampant corporatism that has infected the nation. Everything politicians do is for the good of big business, including giving them massive amounts of our tax dollars, and our resources. It's not the poor that are robbing from us all, it's the filthy rich, but these concepts are above your level of understanding so all you can do is lash out at the evil liberals, you guys never change.

Hahahahahahah...

OR it is usually a collective of mind-numbed, idiots who cannot think for themselves and will walk off any cliff presented to them by other leftist hate-mongers.


Oh the irony!

You neo-cons are the biggest group of loons suffering from group-think that has ever smelled up this nation.

Just look at you guys with Iraq, you still can't bring yourselves to question anything the propagandists fooled you with.

... it was sarcasm, bumb ass.

I replied EXACTLY in the partisan way that idiot did!

..but, logic doesn' make a dent in YOUR lkind of concrete head!

Let's go.

Show us some of this "logic", please, because I don't see the logic in trusting everything and anything one wing of the government says.

What Fabio said.

For the racism, the American Nazi Party and the American Independent Party exists. For the theocratic stuff, the American Heritage Party, Constitution Party, Constitutional Action Party, etc. I do not have to prove that they are popular parties because my point was that such views have been pushed to the fringe.

Like I thought, ya got NOTHING. These "parties" you mention are so small as to be insignificant. Even compared to Europe our fringe Parties are non-existent!

Hell, even the fool Greenies are so small as to be almost negligible and not worth discussing!

Sorry, but you failed in find a REAL Party that is filled with racists in the USA.

American Nazi Party... are you KIDDING!!!

See, you don't even know what a liberal is you moron.I know now that you aren't one you moron.


I'm not here constantly making crazy rants based on what I hear from Rush Limbaugh about liberals/conservatives like you are. I bet when you shit yourself you blame it on liberals too eh? :rolleyes:
Sorry pal, I never listen to Rush. And get real. I've read your rants. This one is a cookie cutter version of all the others you post. Why don't you just make one post somewhere and refer to it in every thread?

You wanna talk about waste of our money, let's talk about that BS war in Iraq which is projected to cost us 2 trillion dollars that you support because the Republicans told you Saddam had scary WMD's. 2 trillion dollars that is being flushed down the toilet, besides all the lives being snuffed out that people like you could care less about.
Seems to me that a significant number of democrats supported the war only a couple of years ago. And now most of them simply don't have the balls required to follow through. Despite the history of wars started by democrats, suddenly this one is wrong. And 2 trillion is bad, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the massive 10's of trillions flushed by social spending over the last 60 years. Not to mention that SS borrowing now represents a significant portion of the national debt. If democrats can't buy votes how will they ever win an election.
What is bankrupting and destroying this country is the rampant corporatism that has infected the nation. Everything politicians do is for the good of big business, including giving them massive amounts of our tax dollars, and our resources. It's not the poor that are robbing from us all, it's the filthy rich, but these concepts are above your level of understanding so all you can do is lash out at the evil liberals, you guys never change.Yeah, and you've changed so much. :rolleyes: Also, you should know that I'm not in favor of corporate bailouts of any kind. Lumping me with republicans is apparently like calling you a liberal, it just ain't true.

And you need to decide which is it that's killing us, the filthy rich who start corporations that employ millions of people or is it the evil corporations that already employ millions of people? Allowing people to keep the money they've earned has always been a problem for democrats. They claim to be the party of the working man as they reach into his pocket for more. This envy of people who have money is the root of your evil. What you can't seem to understand is that without those evil corps, there would be no taxpayers for you to steal from. What the country needs is long term strategy, not the short term BS social programs the democrats refuse to deviate from. When 60% of the federal budget is used for social spending, there is a problem and democrats lack the common sense and judgement required to admit this.

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This is the dumbest thread we've had in a long time.

I guess we should expect this level of dumbness given the thread title.

What Fabio said. Well said, Fabio.

Jeesh! The Democrats lose two consecutive Presidential elections, and everyone thinks the party is dead??

Talk about overreaction... :nonono:

But then again this is a great opportunity for the Libertarian Party to jump in and win a few seats here and there. If people think the GOP is evil and the Democratic party is dying, maybe they'll finally wake up and vote third party.Nice thought.:nice:

Like I thought, ya got NOTHING. These "parties" you mention are so small as to be insignificant. Even compared to Europe our fringe Parties are non-existent!

Hell, even the fool Greenies are so small as to be almost negligible and not worth discussing!

Sorry, but you failed in find a REAL Party that is filled with racists in the USA.

American Nazi Party... are you KIDDING!!!

Sorry, you have long reached the point of being too dumb to argue with.

.. Hey it ain't MY fault that you want to equate three bald, racists in Indiana wearing a swastika on their shirts to a REAL American political party!!

By YOUR idiotic criteria ANY group of disaffected nutjobs can suddenly be an official and influential political party.

Face it. You FAILED to support your premise that there are influential or consequential political parties in the USA filled with racists.

And YOU are too much of a nihilist to take seriously...

NOT what Fabio said.

or.....

What Fabio didn't say.

I know now that you aren't one you moron.

Sorry pal, I never listen to Rush. And get real. I've read your rants. This one is a cookie cutter version of all the others you post. Why don't you just make one post somewhere and refer to it in every thread?
Seems to me that a significant number of democrats supported the war only a couple of years ago. And now most of them simply don't have the balls required to follow through. Despite the history of wars started by democrats, suddenly this one is wrong. And 2 trillion is bad, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the massive 10's of trillions flushed by social spending over the last 60 years. Not to mention that SS borrowing now represents a significant portion of the national debt. If democrats can't buy votes how will they ever win an election.
Yeah, and you've changed so much. :rolleyes: Also, you should know that I'm not in favor of corporate bailouts of any kind. Lumping me with republicans is apparently like calling you a liberal, it just ain't true.

And you need to decide which is it that's killing us, the filthy rich who start corporations that employ millions of people or is it the evil corporations that already employ millions of people? Allowing people to keep the money they've earned has always been a problem for democrats. They claim to be the party of the working man as they reach into his pocket for more. This envy of people who have money is the root of your evil. What you can't seem to understand is that without those evil corps, there would be no taxpayers for you to steal from. What the country needs is long term strategy, not the short term BS social programs the democrats refuse to deviate from. When 60% of the federal budget is used for social spending, there is a problem and democrats lack the common sense and judgement required to admit this.


Definitely what F&L said.

Extremely well said F&L.