for anyone to be a staunch member of the Democrat and Republican parties.


Had to get that off my chest.

What he said.

Word.

To be partisan in this day and age is irresponsible.

Yes, there is too much going on in the world... too much NOT to pick a side and try to do your best to make things RIGHT!

That means, whether you agree with everything the GOP does or not, the GOP is on the RIGHT side of the most important issues of today and you should JOIN it.

Only a fool steps aside and won't join the battle because he doesn't agree 100% with every little thing! If you are waiting for that nirvanna Party to come along you will never do anything to make things better, but you will just sit there and whine about everything.

QUIT whinning and DO something.

Democracy REQUIRES that you join the fray.

Your sitting there and carping, whining, acting like a spoiled brat, does NOTHING to make ANYTHING better.

Just because you support the war in Iraq, that doesn't require that you support the sale of our ports to Arabs.

Yes, there is too much going on in the world... too much NOT to pick a side and try to do your best to make things RIGHT!

That means, whether you agree with everything the GOP does or not, the GOP is on the RIGHT side of the most important issues of today and you should JOIN it.

Only a fool steps aside and won't join the battle because he doesn't agree 100% with every little thing! If you are waiting for that nirvanna Party to come along you will never do anything to make things better, but you will just sit there and whine about everything.

QUIT whinning and DO something.

Democracy REQUIRES that you join the fray.

Your sitting there and carping, whining, acting like a spoiled brat, does NOTHING to make ANYTHING better.

LOL, a true believer.

Yes, there is too much going on in the world... too much NOT to pick a side and try to do your best to make things RIGHT!

That means, whether you agree with everything the GOP does or not, the GOP is on the RIGHT side of the most important issues of today and you should JOIN it.

Only a fool steps aside and won't join the battle because he doesn't agree 100% with every little thing! If you are waiting for that nirvanna Party to come along you will never do anything to make things better, but you will just sit there and whine about everything.

QUIT whinning and DO something.

Democracy REQUIRES that you join the fray.

Your sitting there and carping, whining, acting like a spoiled brat, does NOTHING to make ANYTHING better.

Actually, the Bush admin is proving remarkably adept and determined to do long-term damage to the GOP even with minimal and ineffective resistance from the opposing party.

Just because you support the war in Iraq, that doesn't require that you support the sale of our ports to Arabs.

Quite true. But the POINT is that just because you support the war in Iraq but DON'T support the "sale of our ports to Arabs" does NOT automatically mean you have to then drop ALL support to the GOP!

There is a LOT I disagree on with the GOP. But, they are closer than ANY Party to being actual Americans interested in what is GOOD for America.

Libertarians are mostly nuts masquerading as polisci students writ large. Democrats stopped being American decades ago. Greenies are single issue nit wits. And there AREN'T any other Parties to look at.

If you want what is best for the USA you are STUCK with the GOP. This means, to add your voice and get the ideas you want to get through to law or policy you HAVE to get involved in the GOP.

Otherwise, your whining and carping as you sit there in the comfort of your nice home while you really do NOTHING to serve to prove the courage of your convictions is not only pointless but pretty much illegitimate.

Quite true. But the POINT is that just because you support the war in Iraq but DON'T support the "sale of our ports to Arabs" does NOT automatically mean you have to then drop ALL support to the GOP!


Yeah, that's true. For instance, if you are a millionaire and have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars for them you have a very good reason to still support them, because they're devoting every ounce of their energy to making you even richer.

..yeah. Riiiight. The "rich" card pulled by someone who hates everything about the USA. Boooooooring.

Quite true. But the POINT is that just because you support the war in Iraq but DON'T support the "sale of our ports to Arabs" does NOT automatically mean you have to then drop ALL support to the GOP!

There is a LOT I disagree on with the GOP. But, they are closer than ANY Party to being actual Americans interested in what is GOOD for America.

Libertarians are mostly nuts masquerading as polisci students writ large. Democrats stopped being American decades ago. Greenies are single issue nit wits. And there AREN'T any other Parties to look at.

If you want what is best for the USA you are STUCK with the GOP. This means, to add your voice and get the ideas you want to get through to law or policy you HAVE to get involved in the GOP.

Otherwise, your whining and carping as you sit there in the comfort of your nice home while you really do NOTHING to serve to prove the courage of your convictions is not only pointless but pretty much illegitimate.

I THINK all the GOP KOOLAID you drank has affected your TYPING skills.

In the FUTURE, please refrain from CAPPING every other WORD like your some AM TALK radio blowhard who is TRYING to make a POINT

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/05/abramoff6106_narrowweb__300x413,0.jpg

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/data/upfiles/news/Tom%20DeLay%20mugshot%2010-20-05.jpg

here's the red pill...

http://www.youtube.com/?v=0I6DXdM4rPM

shouldn't this be in the whine cellar?

sounds like it to me.

Libertarians are mostly nuts masquerading as polisci students writ large.

I think your perception of the Libertarian party is very misguided. Try reading Reason if you really want to know what the Libertarians are thinking.

http://www.reason.com

Java Man

OR you could BLOW me.

This is my style. And GUESS WHAT? I don't GIVE a crap if you don't LIKE it!!!

Just how is it that if you agree with the GOP on one thing, and disagree with them on everything else, that helping them is what you should do to support your country? Not only is the logical premise flawed, the very idea is idiotic.
If a group is doing something you don't agree with, the very least you can do is not support them. The most you can do is actively oppose that group.
Neither political party in our system of government does anything other than act in its own self interests. To think that supporting this system will somehow make it better is, I think, ridiculous.

Feenix,

Sorry, but my DESCRIPTION (it isn't an "imression" it is just plain FACT) of libbers is 100% on target. They are loners who can't play well with others. They are more often than not single issue mavens who cannot see the big picture. They are also often doused in Jefersonian pablum disconnected from the 200 years of history that has gone on between Jefferson's era and our own.

As to Jefferson, he is usually such a hero to them that they don't see the stark contradictions between his rhetoric and his actions when it was his chance to govern as president.

Libbers often have no clue about human nature and are filled with so many contradictions in what government is for that no two of them can agree on anything.

Libbers are theorists unable to work in the real world.

Sometimes it is instructive to listen to them as their theories are often interesting and important to add to the debate, but generally they are too disconnected from practice that they are unpractical.

In short, they are sometimes interesting, but generally easily dismissed.

It must be so frustrating to BE one!

Just how is it that if you agree with the GOP on one thing, and disagree with them on everything else, that helping them is what you should do to support your country? Not only is the logical premise flawed, the very idea is idiotic.
If a group is doing something you don't agree with, the very least you can do is not support them. The most you can do is actively oppose that group.
Neither political party in our system of government does anything other than act in its own self interests. To think that supporting this system will somehow make it better is, I think, ridiculous.
:w00t:

As to Jefferson, he is usually such a hero to them that they don't see the stark contradictions between his rhetoric and his actions when it was his chance to govern as president.

"Never heard a republican politican say one thing and do another. Dhat's a librul trait, uhh-hillk"

I support the right for politicians to change their mind based on new information.


Libbers often have no clue about human nature and are filled with so many contradictions in what government is for that no two of them can agree on anything.

government IS full of contradictions, so describing it accurately sometimes seems to contradict in and of itself.


Libbers are theorists unable to work in the real world.

This country was founded by liberal (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal) theorists who worked very well in the real world. Linky there to remind you of the accepted definition.


Sometimes it is instructive to listen to them as their theories are often interesting and important to add to the debate, but generally they are too disconnected from practice that they are unpractical.

America began with a dream. Equal rights began with a dream.

Groff,


Just how is it that if you agree with the GOP on one thing, and disagree with them on everything else, that helping them is what you should do to support your country? Not only is the logical premise flawed, the very idea is idiotic.

When you set up such a ridiculous and false concept of COURSE it is "flawed" and "idiotic".

But, your mistake is to say "agree with one thing" and to contrast that quite ridiculously with "disagree with them on everything else".

I disagree with MANY things they do, but not EVERYTHING ELSE.

Next time, try being logical in your considerations, huh?

If a group is doing something you don't agree with, the very least you can do is not support them. The most you can do is actively oppose that group.

Flat out silly, that is. Politics is NOT a zero sum game. It is just damn STUPID to drop your support of a Party over ANY one issue if you agree with the BULK of their points, positions and candidates. It's stiff necked, counter productive, and self-defeating to be this pig-headed.

No, the PROPER means of assessing your support is the complain LOUD and OFTEN to your Part when they stray. Do all in your power to change the direction of the Party you support.

But, if you lose in YOUR goals, to just up and leave the party is a fools choice. If they STILL get done MOST of what you support, your leaving them will WEAKEN what you support NOT strengthen it. For, if you leave, then there won't be anyone left to advocate for your support. And, after all, we are talking DEMOCRACY here. NOT YOUR LITTLE DICTATORSHIP.

You are, in essence, taking your ball and going home. The other kids will just find another ball and YOU will be stuck at home having no fun! This makes YOU into a spoiled brat who gets all mad every time he doesn't get his way. Spoiled brats end up with no friends, it should be remembered.

Further, I'd say that if that one issue of yours is that important then you won't fit in ANY Party because you are a simple minded person who cannot understand complexity.

Also, if that one issue is important enough for you to leave a Party then you were never REALLY a member of that Party in the first place!

Neither political party in our system of government does anything other than act in its own self interests. To think that supporting this system will somehow make it better is, I think, ridiculous.

A nihilistic, simple-minded supposition, one that is vacant of any knowledge of human nature, politics or our political system.

Further more, it is the same kind of empty headed, boring, prosaic, meely mouthed, garbage you hear bandied about in University campuses across the USA said by children who merely want to carp WITHOUT ever adding any SOLUTIONS that make sense.

Try again.

it is the same kind of empty headed, boring, prosaic, meely mouthed, garbage you hear bandied about in University campuses across the USA said by children who merely want to carp WITHOUT ever adding any SOLUTIONS that make sense.


I've got a solution, and it starts with a capital R

Just how is it that if you agree with the GOP on one thing, and disagree with them on everything else, that helping them is what you should do to support your country? Not only is the logical premise flawed, the very idea is idiotic.
If a group is doing something you don't agree with, the very least you can do is not support them. The most you can do is actively oppose that group.
Neither political party in our system of government does anything other than act in its own self interests. To think that supporting this system will somehow make it better is, I think, ridiculous.


Correct ! We are an idolizing nation . A closed mined citizenry . Multi-divided and thats why an independant doesn't have a chance in hell of ever being elected . There were something like 50 independats on my registration .

We are a sqabbling nation without a culture , religian or race that basically agrees .

Absolute diversity has killed every nation and empire that ever practiced it .

I THINK all the GOP KOOLAID you drank has affected your TYPING skills.

In the FUTURE, please refrain from CAPPING every other WORD like your some AM TALK radio blowhard who is TRYING to make a POINT

Cowpunk once fawningly went on an on about your intelligence.

I was wondering...when do you ever exhibit this vaunted intelligence?

jimmyjude,

...sadly that was all he had. He blew his WHOLE wad all at once!
:)

Cowpunk once fawningly went on an on about your intelligence.

I was wondering...when do you ever exhibit this vaunted intelligence?

Cowpunk is a smart man

If you post something that is not sophmoric partisan drivel I might suprise you.

But I do agree with you on one point, this does belong in the whine cellar

jimmyjude,

...sadly that was all he had. He blew his WHOLE wad all at once!

:)

sadly you MISUNDERESTIMATE my WADDING ablity ;)

Mobile, I don't know how old you are or anything about you really.
But, I'm well past college age. And if what I'm saying is what is being repeated on University campuses then there may be hope for our country yet.
Politics may not be a zero sum game, but life is. And these politicians you revere so much are playing with our lives.
If you want respect, then stand up for what you believe in rather than what some cult tells you to believe.

Correct ! We are an idolizing nation .

indeed (http://abbeynews.com/wp/InGodWeTrust_s.jpg):D