How many of you knew that?

When the USSR invaded Afganistan in the 70s the USA fought relentlessly agaisnt them, they were allied with many domestic armed groups fighting off the USSR, and yes the USA together with these groups defeted the USSR after years of war that left the country in ruins, And after the war the USA left, no financial help or anything, it just so happens that Osoma bin laden was in one of the domestic armed groups,
There for he at one point was allied with the USA, so wht happened?
The taliban took over after the US left, the taliban then endorsed and protected the Al queda,and afganistan was left to fall into the hands of terrorist, such as bin laden that now seek revenge on the USA for abondoning afganistan after the war.

SO think about it

Did we bring 9/11 onto our selfs or did al qauda atack on different motives?

Now remember...I DONNOT SUPPORT TERRORIST

Yawn......double yawn. Everyone is aware that we helped the Afghanis expell the commies. Not that we get any CREDIT for that.

Yes the USA helped the Islamic Mujahadeen fight the godless commies.

That makes us complicit in Bin Ladin's later atrocities.

I guess we are guilty for the Albanians firebombing the Churches too?

This is the same argument with Saddam. We supported him against the repressive Iranians so we must support everything he does.

Look up the Kirkpatrick doctrine to see why we did some of the things we did.

should we have supported such extremist for the sake of preventing communsim?

We didn't support "such extremism". That is merely your assertion. The war in Afghanistan didn't create Laden.

Would the muslim world hate the US to a lesser extent if we didnt leave them to fend for themselfs after the war?

should we have supported such extremist for the sake of preventing communsim?

First question, how old are you? This is important.

I made this post in order to gather info on a subject i wanna kno more about
im 15..
I wanna kno if we did the right thing in afganistan

should we have supported such extremist for the sake of preventing communsim?Not that I agree with the premise but as for supporting Afghani's to prevent communism , I have to ask you...how many people have died because of that failed political idea(communism)?

Well, REALY communism has never been atempted, Cuba for example is not a true communist nation,neither was Stalins russia, he warped it into a whole new thing..Stalinism..millions have died because of it, being the the Gulaugs or rading of cities
Unfourtunatly communism will NEVER work

Would the muslim world hate the US to a lesser extent if we didnt leave them to fend for themselfs after the war?

Well that is an entirely separate subject from what you stated originally.

My personal OPINION is that muslims would hate us no matter what.

Islam is an unreformed backward religion.

Not all terrorists are muslims but all the terrorists were muslim. See.

Muslims hate us not only for "foriegn policy" but the way in which we live our lives. Our freedoms. I know that left love to ridicule that, but I believe that is true. They hate that we tolerate homos. That our 'art' is often meaningless tripe. That our movies and tv promote promiscuity.

Things like that the left don't like to talk about when they say " we should look at how OUR policies have brought this hatred upon us."

Raging, my point is simply this: You didn't grow up with the bomb, the threat of the Soviet Union. I was scared shitless my entire youth waiting for Sagan's nuclear winter. Had you lived in those times, and actually loved someone killed by a communist you probably wouldn't be asking that question.

We had to partner ourselves with a lot of shady characters to thwart that menace, not just for ourselves but Europe etc, at the expense of billions upon countless billions of dollars. Sometimes we had to prop up a dictator in order to keep down communist insurrections in unstable nations. Doesn't matter if it was worth it or not because we didn't have any choice in the matter.

Well, REALY communism has never been atempted

http://www.world-of-smilies.com/html/images/smilies/weihnachten/woswmann1810.gif

ya...i read the Kirkpatrick doctrine, its not correct in the sence that totalitarian govs are more stable than authoritarian govs being that the solviet union colapsed in 91. the Domino effect was never prooven

im 15

Then go back to visiting Disney.com where you belong snot nose, and leave discussion of politics to the adults.

Well that is an entirely separate subject from what you stated originally.

My personal OPINION is that muslims would hate us no matter what.

Islam is an unreformed backward religion.

Not all terrorists are muslims but all the terrorists were muslim. See.

Muslims hate us not only for "foriegn policy" but the way in which we live our lives. Our freedoms. I know that left love to ridicule that, but I believe that is true. They hate that we tolerate homos. That our 'art' is often meaningless tripe. That our movies and tv promote promiscuity.

Things like that the left don't like to talk about when they say " we should look at how OUR policies have brought this hatred upon us."

There is no evidence to support this ridiculous and infantile propaganda slogan, which is a transparent appeal to knuckleheads to evade responsibility as well as reality.

On the other hand, there is a great deal of evidence regarding the motivations of al Qaeda and similar groups, including numerous statements from bin Laden himself, such as this:

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

ya...i read the Kirkpatrick doctrine, its not correct in the sence that totalitarian govs are more stable than authoritarian govs being that the solviet union colapsed in 91. the Domino effect was never prooven

You are wrong about what the Kirkpatrick doctrine talks about. The idea was that one was more influence-able than the other. Not that one was more stable than the other.

The domino theory is, AGAIN, an entirely separate subject.

Then go back to visiting Disney.com where you belong snot nose, and leave discussion of politics to the adults.

Hilarious. I feel like saying the same thing to Guido right now.

Then go back to visiting Disney.com where you belong snot nose, and leave discussion of politics to the adults.

Chill, at least he has interest in something besides video games. We should encourage youth to ask questions. When I was fifteen I only had 1 thing on my mind.

"Kirkpatrick claimed that totalitarian regimes were more stable than authoritarian regimes, and thus had a greater propensity to influence neighboring states (see "domino theory (domino theory: The political theory that if one nation comes under Communist control then neighboring nations will also come under Communist control) .")

Yes. the doctrine is based mostly on the domino effect, which by the way, didnt happen in vientnam, no thanks to us.

The doctrine claims that totalitarian regimes are MORE STABLE than authoritarian regimes, therfor can influence neiboring countries, But the thing is that they ARENT more stable than totalitarian regimes, theirfor do they still have more power of influence?

Chill, at least he has interest in something besides video games. We should encourage youth to ask questions. When I was fifteen I only had 1 thing on my mind.

Its prety frikin anoying to hear EVERYONE to talk about sports and shit when im intrested in the constitutional ammedments..lol...like..C-span is an AWSOME channel,, same with CNN.

The point behind that doctrine was that one was more influence-able more than the other. That is the essence.

Have you heard of Hendrick Hertzberg? He was the chief speech writer for that crypto-commie Jimmy Carter.

He says that the doctrine was about being able to assert influence more effectively over one than the other.

So it is not just the right saying that.

You are looking at a pre-condition of defintions and saying that the is the essence of the policy.

You are wrong.

Its prety frikin anoying to hear EVERYONE to talk about sports and shit when im intrested in the constitutional ammedments..lol...like..C-span is an AWSOME channel,, same with CNN.

Your interest in the constitution and the workings of government is to be commended.

Just ignore the snarky age remarks from some of the emotionally retarded posters here.

. the Domino effect was never prooven
Other then the fact it happened

If you say the domino theory was "never proven", then you have to consider the fact we were proactive in fighting Communism and the possibility exists that we prevented the feared effect.

But it's absurd to attack the theory in that there was an active effort by Moscow to spread Communism internationally and that there was no coincidence that every nation a Soviet tank had rolled through on the way to Berlin had become Communist. To believe there was an impending "spread of Communism" was not only rational, but accurate.

Other then the fact it happened


Shhhh don't tell Cambodia and Laos to name two.

The Cambodian domino stood itself back up in 1999, without a single American bomb dropped.

In fact, 60 countries have become democracies without our military intervention since 1974

The domino theory does not explain this phenomenon at all

yeah all that time, blood, diplomacy, and arms race had nothing to do with it.

Niether did the fact that the capitalist/rep republic is clearly the best.

Its prety frikin anoying to hear EVERYONE to talk about sports and shit when im intrested in the constitutional ammedments..lol...like..C-span is an AWSOME channel,, same with CNN.
Try http://www.infowars.com/ Listen to him a little and see all his films. If you look, you can find many on line for free. Just type in the name of the video to a search engine. He exposes most everything but the zionist. Try http://www.libertyforum.org/ for what the zionist are up to. Some of these people are a little extreme but on top of what is happening. Try http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/ for what is and has gone on with banking and money. It all come back to banking and money when you look deep. For real incite into things hidden try http://jahtruth.net/ If you study all this you will be teaching all your teachers.

Then go back to visiting Disney.com where you belong snot nose, and leave discussion of politics to the adults.


It gives me a glimmer of hope that there are 15 year olds that are more politically aware and logical than many "adults".

Old age certainly doesn't prevent ignorance, maybe you ought to head to Disney.com?

should we have supported such extremist for the sake of preventing communsim?

Communism was one of the last great evils left in the world. Obviously there was no reason to let the Soviets overrun the Afghan people.

Also its important to distinguish Arabs from Afghans. MOST of our help, the vast majority, went to Afghans.

It gives me a glimmer of hope that there are 15 year olds that are more politically aware and logical than many "adults".


You're about what, 45 CA? This guy has some hope left of growing out of his teenage angst. :p

The Cambodian domino stood itself back up in 1999, without a single American bomb dropped.

In fact, 60 countries have become democracies without our military intervention since 1974

The domino theory does not explain this phenomenon at all

Sure it does. It's reverse domino effect. Many communist governments (like Cuba relied )on the Soviet Union to retain power. The Soviet system collapsed under the economic pressure of staying in the arms race.

When the money, labor and weapons were cut off to the satellite countries, the gig was up.