It started with the restriction against racial slurs which may or may not be right.

But that is one sided. If I type the word n***** it will probably be filtered.

But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.

Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.

The examples go on and on.

It is time for it to stop.

Agree?

It started with the restriction against racial slurs which may or may not be right.

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But that is one sided. If I type the word n***** it will probably be filtered.

Because its equivilient to calling a black person a slave. The reason you wont see any white boy insults being filtered out is we dont exactly have the historical hang-ups that would make us so annoyd.


But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.

Umm.... Is there any insult by someone that a white person would take seriously? If someone calls me honkey i laugh at them and shake there hand. You take things to seriously.


Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

We also get together every wednsday and throw babys into ovens...... Oh wait--That was the right. Woops.


Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Insurgents is a very old term dude, and i appologize--but its not an invintion of the left. Insurgents are what happens when you overtake a place, but some organize a resistence to your rule and attempt to throw you out so that they can resume control. Been going on since the days of the first empires.


Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.

Homicide Bombers is a bit redundent. And Suicide lets us instantly know that the person killed themselves in the process. More information, less redundency.

mmmm grape kool aid.

n*****


That word gets special treatment, and I'm not sure why. It's the worst racial slur for black people, but it's treated as something you can't even say. It's "the n word", like it's the F word. It's become one of the worst words in our entire language.

Not that it's not an ugly sentiment, but I don't know why it gets such special treatment. I guess because we don't have a history of lynching spics, gooks, wops, slants, or wasps, but we do have a history of lynching ******s.


But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.


I doubt anyone but you is really going to cry baby about those. I got called a honkey once about a decade ago and it cracked me up. I couldn't have fought about it, even if I'd wanted, because I was laughing too hard. I mean, the guy actually said it with a straight face, like he though it was really going to burn or something.


Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.


Actually, you're just mad because people won't follow your lead when you try to rename stuff. Suicide bombing has always been suicide bombing. You tried to change it, and no one cares, so you're lashing out.

Same with insurgents. "Terrorist" has always meant people who target civilians in political violence. Insurgets who target our troops are guerrilla fighters, or freedom fighters, or resistance fighters, or insurgets, or anything that means a group of civilians who take up arms against a foreign occupational force.

When they target civilians, of course, that actually is terrorism, but since dittoheads have been slinging the word around to mean anyone who didn't vote for George Bush and who doesn't watch Fox "news", it really lost it's meaning.


It is time for it to stop.


:rolleyes:

It started with the restriction against racial slurs which may or may not be right.

But that is one sided. If I type the word n***** it will probably be filtered.

But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.

Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.

The examples go on and on.

It is time for it to stop.

Agree?

All y'all do get that you control the executive and legislative branch, yeah? But it's the left that is renaming all kinds of stuff? Because it was a leftist plot that now apparently "merry christmas" is out of bounds? Because the left is in control? And the left is pushing their values, standards and mores on the right? Because the right has no power?

On what planet do you live?

i think the biggest coup was:

western civilization = racism

It started with the restriction against racial slurs which may or may not be right.

But that is one sided. If I type the word n***** it will probably be filtered.

But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.

Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.

The examples go on and on.

It is time for it to stop.

Agree?
Language is the means through which we express and convey reality - it is through language that political actions occur.

I agree that it's time to stop using misleaing language in politics for the purpose of misleading the public. Both sides of the aisle are doing this except as of late, the right has been a little better at it. "Leftist politically correct language" has been around longer (since the 90's or so) and the right was given a chance to react to it. Now (2000+) the republicans have changed their use of language to counter the effectiveness of "politically correct" language and this strategy has been largely successful in promoting their agenda. We could call this new strategy "language bending." Depending on your personal political views, language bending can be used to more accurately describe issues or to obscure them.

"Language bending" could be characterized as bold and upfront. Examples are famously seen in such bills as "Clear Skies Initiative" (which allows for more relaxed pollution laws) and the re-naming of issues like changing the name of the "estate tax" to the "death tax" (its a tax that applies to only the wealthiest americans, but re-naming it makes it easier for average people to "understand). This new system of language bending also shapes political success through a media blitz of a specific catch phrase that simplifies, emotionalizes and skews an issue, when in fact the issue is quite complex. Such examples include "flip-flopper," "the blame game," and "axis of evil."

Often "weasel words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)" or "loaded words" are used to achieve goals. Take these examples that are used to characterize an issue: "he's a flip-flopper" (he's a flop); "I dont want to play the blame game (clever rhyme - i dont want to play asinine games); "it's a nation that's part of the axis of evil" (nazi imagery - it's an evil nation).

I'm not even going to get into the heavy use of the word war by conservative strategists (after stealing LBJ's use of the word to describe his "war on poverty") except for stating a few examples: "the war on drugs", "PC language war", and "war on terror."

Policital correctness is typically more passive in nature, and is a little more subtle in its exaggerations. It's seen in such famous examples as "collateral damage" instead of "dead civilians" or "mature content" instead of "****ing." Im sure many of you could give hundreds of other examples of PC agenda setting, but i've gotta start up on some homework here.

No matter how you slice it innacurate languages breeds more of the same, and a ill-informed or uneducated public is virtually powerless against it.

Because the right has no power?

No what planet do YOU live on. One with only about 4 years of HISTORY on it?????

The LEFT has been "in charge" since 1934!! The "right" has come CLOSE to being in charge (and its arguable that they have nearly the same kind of the control the left had for half a century) for a matter of a few years.

We have a LONG, LONG way to go before the right's ideas can have made a dent in the anti-American status quo the left has gotten us into.

How has the left been in charge?

This is my OPINION:

The left/liberals control not only the media, but also the universities.

Additionally, here in the US the left/liberals were in charge of both houses for nearly 70 years.

In the 60's and 70's the left, especially in the unis, said that there was a diversity of truth. That there existed more than one version of history. That culture mattered when looking at history.

They cried for diversity and then once they established that there was more than one viewpoint they quickly went to a single truth: theirs.

everyone should listen to the myron fagan audio files. everything he said 50 years ago is coming true, especially how a 'liberal' was in fact a RED :not:

The Left's infection of our culture was able to spread once the 14th Amendment was passed. All that money = oodles of ways to propagate Big Gubmint.

that mermaid is hot.

This is my OPINION:

The left/liberals control not only the media, but also the universities.

Additionally, here in the US the left/liberals were in charge of both houses for nearly 70 years.

In the 60's and 70's the left, especially in the unis, said that there was a diversity of truth. That there existed more than one version of history. That culture mattered when looking at history.

They cried for diversity and then once they established that there was more than one viewpoint they quickly went to a single truth: theirs.

Damn. The left must be on to something if theyv groomed america into the greatest super power in the world under there watch. Since, by your estimates: Theyv nearly always controled the government, schools, worker unions, and media.

Damn. Thats every part of society that matters. Your bassicaly arguing that this is a liberal country.

That or your post is hysterical. Take your pick.

this thread should be titled: "history of the US from my perspective"

doesnt seem like anyone wants to talk about the language behind the politics.

that mermaid is hot.


Thanks! She is rather bootylicious, even if I do say so moi-self.

Damn. The left must be on to something if theyv groomed america into the greatest super power in the world under there watch. Since, by your estimates: Theyv nearly always controled the government, schools, worker unions, and media.

Damn. Thats every part of society that matters. Your bassicaly arguing that this is a liberal country.

That or your post is hysterical. Take your pick.

This is a perfect illustration of the liberal mindset. Note what he thinks are the only things that matter. This is why liberalism doesn't win elections.

It started with the restriction against racial slurs which may or may not be right.

But that is one sided. If I type the word n***** it will probably be filtered.

But the word honkey won't. Neither will mick, paddy, papist.

Then the LEFT started renaming all kinds of stuff.

Now we have insurgents and not terrorists.

Suicide bombers not homicide bombers.

The examples go on and on.

It is time for it to stop.

Agree?

The idea that "the left" controls language is completely ridiculous.

This is why liberalism doesn't win elections.

Indeed--Liberals havent won an election in a long, long time. However, Democrats seemed to do pretty damn well, winning 2 out of the last 4, and on one of those getting the popular vote. Bush only just got the popular vote, and already theres nothing he can do to get his approval rating out of the gutter. I only wish the democrats were actually liberal, and not just a flip side to republicans.

The "homicide bomber" thing was actually a case of the various GOP-aligned groups renaming an older term for propaganda reasons. It's Political Correctness of the Right. Any bomb meant to kill is a homicide bomb.. which means the US is guilty of homicide bombing from jets. Suicide bombing, otoh, is distinct from regular bombing because the person commits suicide to kill.

The FReeper types create PC terms of their own then claim that it's PC to use the old, original term. Gotta love it.

Is the bomber's main goal to commit suicide or to kill as many other people as possible?

The distinction here is in method. The FReeper types wanted to change the phrasing because they mistakenly believed that the "suicide" part caused sympathy and replacing it with "homicide" would get rid of that, as if everyone didn't know that suicide bombers are killing people. The result is a clumsy, redundant phrase that really only flew with the FReeper/Fox News demographic. Political Correctness of the Right. A list should be made of it.

Can you make an argument without talking about FReepers?

Is it all Foxnews' fault?

mmm cherry koolaid.

I think it's more accurate to say "FReeper-types", out of respect for real conservatives who don't buy a lot of this GOP stupidity and childishness. I try to be more accurate than those who lump all liberals in with Democratic Party crapola.

The idea that "the left" controls language is completely ridiculous.
:nice: :nice:

mmm cherry koolaid.
technically it's grape coolaid :cool:

btw eddy, good analysis on the "homicide bomber vs. suicide bomber" debate.

The homicide bomber versus the suicide bomber "debate" is the primest example of the stupidity of the left.

The homicide bomber versus the suicide bomber "debate" is the primest example of the stupidity of the left.

It wasn't the left churning out countless insipid articles on why suicide bombers should be called homicide bombers and then whining about how everyone doesn't immediately start using their redundant newspeak.

It wasn't the left churning out countless insipid articles on why suicide bombers should be called homicide bombers and then whining about how everyone doesn't immediately start using their redundant newspeak.


Yea, what the hell is this? It was the propagandists at FAUX news that invented this new Orwellian term for a suicide bomber, sadly, the neo-cons ate it up just like they ate up Freedom Fries and Purple Band-Aids.

It's mildly amusing that the very people that have fallen for this garbage are attacking others because they aren't victims of this newsspeak, damn.

Not everyone on the right is a neo-con.

Although everyone on the left does appear to be mentally handicapped.

It wasn't the left churning out countless insipid articles on why suicide bombers should be called homicide bombers and then whining about how everyone doesn't immediately start using their redundant newspeak.


Yea, what the hell is this? It was the propagandists at FAUX news that invented this new Orwellian term for a suicide bomber, sadly, the neo-cons ate it up just like they ate up Freedom Fries and Purple Band-Aids.

It's mildly amusing that the very people that have fallen for this garbage are attacking others because they aren't victims of this newsspeak, damn.

Not everyone on the right is a neo-con.


Stop saying they are, most are these days, true conservatism is pretty much dead.


Although everyone on the left does appear to be mentally handicapped.


Well the left doesn't have problems identifying two radically opposing ideologies.

Suicide bombers

Freedom fries

I've known people that actually were mentally handicapped that wouldn't fall for sophmoric propaganda like that.

Although everyone on the left does appear to be mentally handicapped.

This statement is just too funny coming from you.

Suicide bombers

Freedom fries


They live for emotionally charged sound bites.

A few of their reaction words off the top of my head:

Homicide bombers.
Freedom fries
Did you forget about 9-11?
Freedom is on the march!
Axis of Evil.
War on terror.
Leftist indoctrination centers.
Activist judges legislating from the bench!
Bush basher
Blame America first crowd.
PC
Bush hater
WMDs
Liberal media
Leftist lies
Baby murder
Permission slips to defend our freedom
Christian nation

Although everyone on the left does appear to be mentally handicapped.

Projecting

Wow why are the known lefties so upthight about this?

Could it be that I am right? and they really are doing this?

Wow why are the known lefties so upthight about this?

Could it be that I am right? and they really are doing this?

who is uptight ?

every example of so-called lefist lexicon you can muster up can be countered with the rightwhinger version

bfd

java still waiting to see the exposition of this vaunted intelligence that you supposedly possess.