for appearing in gay porn!!


LINKED (http://www.nbc6.net/news/1472140/detail.html)

Man, I don't know...

So a teacher can't pose in playboy?

The children have no chance of seeing it...

Originally posted by Manu
Man, I don't know...

So a teacher can't pose in playboy?

The children have no chance of seeing it...



thats just it, by doing this its like they are saying that all the kids will see it

So he kept his gay lifestyle OUTSIDE of the classroom but he was still taken away from his job? So we have no right to a life outside of our work?

Has he ever harmed any of these kids? Was he ever "written up" for questionable behaviour in regards to his work? What kind of teacher was he? Or did the psycho parents not care, they just wanted him out?

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by buggy
So he kept his gay lifestyle OUTSIDE of the classroom but he was still taken away from his job? So we have no right to a life outside of our work?

Has he ever harmed any of these kids? Was he ever "written up" for questionable behaviour in regards to his work? What kind of teacher was he? Or did the psycho parents not care, they just wanted him out?

:rolleyes:

it's NOT ok to be gay, didn't you know that?
according to half the people on this board, just BEING gay means you're going to molest the kids - therefore it's BETTER he be fired and have his entire career ruined before he harms the childrens! because he WILL! because he's a FAGOT and that's what they DO! harm the childrens!

Originally posted by buggy
So he kept his gay lifestyle OUTSIDE of the classroom but he was still taken away from his job? So we have no right to a life outside of our work?

Has he ever harmed any of these kids? Was he ever "written up" for questionable behaviour in regards to his work? What kind of teacher was he? Or did the psycho parents not care, they just wanted him out?

:rolleyes: My son has found porn online in the classroom, even with all the filters... How is the internat outside the classroom?

Originally posted by mrWr0ng


it's NOT ok to be gay, didn't you know that?
according to half the people on this board, just BEING gay means you're going to molest the kids - therefore it's BETTER he be fired and have his entire career ruined before he harms the childrens! because he WILL! because he's a FAGOT and that's what they DO! harm the childrens! I personally don't understand/like the lifestyle, but I see no harm in them doing any job as long as they do it well. What I DO have a problem with is homosexuality being taught in schools as a "normal" outlet for sex.

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
My son has found porn online in the classroom, even with all the filters... How is the internat outside the classroom?

That has nothing to do with my post. The teacher never provided the students with porn or access, did he?

Your son finding porn is the fault of very stupid network administrators at the school. I understand students have access to the internet for educational purposes, I don't think porn is educational for grade schoolers.

Originally posted by buggy


That has nothing to do with my post. The teacher never provided the students with porn or access, did he?

Your son finding porn is the fault of very stupid network administrators at the school. I understand students have access to the internet for educational purposes, I don't think porn is educational for grade schoolers. :topic: LOL I dunno, I've seen SOME that was VEEEERRRRRYYY educational...LMAO

kids are GOING to get access to porn any way you slice it. the kids are smarter than the network admins, especially the only ones the school can afford to pay at 14.95 an hour - you're not gonna get stephen hawkings.
net nanny, internet watchdog, all that - they can be bypassed. and the kids will figure out how, if they want to. the thing parents have to do is make sure that kids know that while they should not be engaging in sex at such young ages, there is nothing to be ashamed of and that it is natural. a child's curiousity in pornography arises from its taboo nature, and by defeating that, you will kill a lot of the interest - until hormones kick in, at least.
past that, porn is harmless, and just make sure the teachers pay better attention to the students to make sure they don't see stuff.
but as for the teacher, he did nothing wrong. they may as well have fired him for having gay sex once in his lifetime, that would be about on the same level of wrong as they just committed here.

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
:topic: LOL I dunno, I've seen SOME that was VEEEERRRRRYYY educational...LMAO

LOL! I was actually going to address that by stating something in reference to 'not educational unless you're trying to brush up on your skills *cough*', but I just narrowed it down to grade schoolers :)

Bravo to the school board. All they need to do is finalize it and can this idiot.

Many professions have "morals" clauses and if they are broken the person can be terminated.
The teacher is representing that school and organization and is supposed to uphold and represent certain standards of behaiviour.


Why would you want a sick pervert ,who wants to publicise his gay sex acts on video, to even come near your kids?

Normal people dont publicise their sexual acts.

And lets be clear, who we should be looking out for are the kids, and not subjecting them to be around someone with questionable sexual tendencies.

But, after 8 years of trickle down immorality this is what we get.

powerboss- get laid. I can sense the pent up sexual aggressiveness thru the computer screen. I noticed those that really get pissed about sexual things dont get enough of their own.;)

Hah, I get plenty.
I just do it in private and dont have some sickness where I have to talk about it and show it to the world.
You know, like most NORMAL people, or maybe you dont know, I dont know.

So am I to assume that you would want a gay teacher who stars in porn movies teaching your kids?
You dont see a serious "mental" issue here?
Or
You just dont like the fact that Im right and you cant prove otherwise so you try to take a cheap shot?

I expect no less from you after 8 years of trickle down immorality.

Was he fired because it was gay porn, or just porn? If it's because he was in a porn video, then I wouldn't mind as much then just because he was gay. Like, if the school nurse is in a porn video, and she's caught, then she would have to be fired as well for the school to have credibility (spelling)


Incidentialy (spelling), this guy is in gay porn, but also was "tempting" females in Temptation Island? Come on, buddy--pick a side. (I'm leaning for him to choose gay, therefore I don't have to compete with him for women. It's all about supply and demand, baby).

Originally posted by Powerboss
Why would you want a sick pervert ,who wants to publicise his gay sex acts on video, to even come near your kids?

If only you knew how many people had perverted sexual fetishes, man.... I bet a lot of us work with people that are sick bastards, sexually. Should they be fired if anyone found out? Just because it's not socially accepted, even though its widely practiced? And no, I don't see how gay sex is any different than SM or golden showers or g/b anal sex. I think its hypocritical and very intolerant (and very american) to fire the guy. As long as he was a good teacher, and never touched a kid or made them feel uncomfortable in any way, there was no reason to fire him.

Christ, a perfectly good teacher gets caught on a gay pr0n vid and he's fired, but a Catholic priest abuses a lot of boys over the years and nothing's done about it. What world are you living in, man??


What I do wonder about is what a gay guy is doing on temptation island, trying to seduce women..... that just doesnt make sense.

Unfortunately Tam, you're right. Everyone in America has to live up to one moral code, this christian thing many speak of, and unless you're part of that secret society, you should get canned from a job you do perfectly well.

Sadly, alot of the judgements Powerboss has made is due to ignorance, if he had any type of knowledge of different sexual impulses that are classified as whatever this "normal" thing is he speaks of. Most healthy human beings have odd sexual fetishes they either think about or indulge in. There is a backwards mentality at work here of course, how many of these people would cheer the firing of this man while sneaking a porn video in at home with their significant others? America, land of hypocrites is an appopriate title.

I hope the guy sues the pants off the school board and wins. They have violeted him. While his act may of been displayed publicly, it is still part of his life outside of work. And if people don't want perverts teaching children, we'd have very few school teachers, we're ALL perverts in some way or another.

How the hell did they find the videos anyway? One of the school administrators was engaging in his own private viewing of gay porn and he came across it?

I personally have never seen gay porn and honestly, unless I go to a fetish shop, I'd never have the notion to get online and find it. How did THEY find it?

Originally posted by buggy
How the hell did they find the videos anyway? One of the school administrators was engaging in his own private viewing of gay porn and he came across it?

I personally have never seen gay porn and honestly, unless I go to a fetish shop, I'd never have the notion to get online and find it. How did THEY find it?

This is what I was JUST thinking.

Who found this video? Should the parent who found it not be allowed to have children because they are looking at gay porn?

Or if an administrator found it, should he be fired for looking at gay porn?

If there is more to this story, such as the teacher was boasting about it at school, hanging out teh URL, or something, then perhaps it is justified, but as the article stands...

As long as he was a good teacher, and never touched a kid or made them feel uncomfortable in any way, there was no reason to fire him

That is 100% what the judgement is. If what I do outside of the classroom is not illegal, then it is my business. As long as I do not bring it into the classroom, that should be fine.

Originally posted by Powerboss
Why would you want a sick pervert ,who wants to publicise his gay sex acts on video, to even come near your kids?

Normal people dont publicise their sexual acts.

By "normal people", you don't mean straight people do you?

Because, believe me, there's plenty of straight porn. Plenty. And a lot of it is sick, sick stuff.

So you oppose straight porn as well as strip clubs, right?

You people are truly pathetic.

I thought you christian haters had morals...remember? One can be moral without religion. We'rent you guys saying that?
And buggy, religion and morals arent exclusive to the Christian religion.

Hello????? He's a teacher, he shouldnt be making PORN VIDS.

If he wants to do his gay thing in private let him but he went into the public and made a spectacle of himself.

There is something wrong with that. Are you telling me its perfectly normal to star in porn vids?

Maybe some of you geniouses can tell us what great things rampant, uncontrolled, impulsive sex has brought the world.

More abortion Great.
STD's Great.
Babys in dumpsters and toilets Great.

Human beings used to be able to control our sexual impulses. Thats one thing that separates us from animals.
But "if it feels good, do it" right? Thats your generatiions motto...

You dont care if this guy teaches your kids, go hire him as a tutor.

And you folks wonder why conservatives dont want their kids subjected to the sick mind of liberals.....



Oh Tam btw, priests are being dealt with...appropriately so.
But I honestly cant see how you or anyone else here has a problem with man/boy sex.....or does that only apply to priests.
You may want to read up on it a little further before you say something else ignorant.
And if you'd read a little closer the issue wasnt his gayness, its the fact that he decided to be public and star in movies.
I know a great optomologist.

Originally posted by WyldOne


By "normal people", you don't mean straight people do you?

Because, believe me, there's plenty of straight porn. Plenty. And a lot of it is sick, sick stuff.

So you oppose straight porn as well as strip clubs, right?


THE ISSUE IS A TEACHER MAKING PORN MOVIES.

'I DONT CARE IF ITS GAY OR STRAIGHT.

PLEASE PEOPLE, READ A LITTLE CLOSER, OR SHOULD I JUST TYPE IN CAPS?????????????????

Originally posted by Powerboss
Oh Tam btw, priests are being dealt with...appropriately so.

yeah, now thats its so undenyably in the open. How many years has this been going on, with the church knowing about it, but ignoring it? It's going straight back to the 70s!

I don't see the point of debating this issue with you any further. Your deep hatred of homosexuals is scary, and I don't think we're gonna get anywhere anyway.

Originally posted by Powerboss
If he wants to do his gay thing in private let him but he went into the public and made a spectacle of himself.

Since when is pornography displayed for public consumption?

And, do you have a problem with straight teachers who make porn? Or should they just do their "straight thing" in private?

I guess where I'm confused, PB, is if you're more upset that the teacher is gay, or made gay pornos. It appears to be a double standard from where I sit....Where's the outrage at the straight teachers who are also strippers/porn stars?

Originally posted by tam


yeah, now thats its so undenyably in the open. How many years has this been going on, with the church knowing about it, but ignoring it? It's going straight back to the 70s!

I don't see the point of debating this issue with you any further. Your deep hatred of homosexuals is scary, and I don't think we're gonna get anywhere anyway.


And thats my fault it took so long for it to come out?
Why are you trying to shift the focus of the debate?


My deep hatred? Uh-OK. Becasue I dont approve of thier lifestyle and would prefer they had their sex in private like the rest of the normal world...
I tolerate them, but have no tolerance for a teacher making porn movies, gay or straight. Get it straight please.
Your deep hatred of christians is scary, and I dont think we're gonna get anywhere anyway.

Since when is pornography displayed for public consumption?

And, do you have a problem with straight teachers who make porn? Or should they just do their "straight thing" in private?

I guess where I'm confused, PB, is if you're more upset that the teacher is gay, or made gay pornos. It appears to be a double standard from where I sit....Where's the outrage at the straight teachers who are also strippers/porn stars?

Porn is movies that are broadcast via the internet or via video cassette to the PUBLIC.

Please, I've already responded to the question above.
TEACHERS SHOULDNT BE PERFORMING IN PORN MOVIES, GAY OR STRAIGHT.
TEACHERS WHO STRIP IN PUBLIC SHOULDNT BE TEACHERS.
Is that what you want to hear? IS THAT THE OUTRAGE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR?

Why does the focus of this discussion keep shifting?
The facts are that he's a gay man doing porn movies, who is a teacher, that teaches children.
Would you want him around your kids, knowing that someone who makes porn has some mental issues?
I dont. If you dont like that, tough.
Shouldnt the goal be to have teachers that are normal (normal in the sense of not having any sexual issues) and stable, so we try to reduce the risks as much as possible?
Shouldnt the kids be the priority, or are we just too selfish nowadays and our individual rights take precedence over whats best for the kids.

you said priests are being dealt with, i just said thats because right now that they can't ignore it anymore. If they could, I'm sure they would. They've been doing so for decades.

And I don't hate religion, I don't even 'tolerate' it, I just don't care about it at all. But when stuff like all those catholic priests comes out, I am happy that I'm not religious. I would be ashamed to call myself christian or whatever. And since those priests mainly targeted boys, they're gay pedophile priests. How wrong is that?

And I don't hate religion, I don't even 'tolerate' it, I just don't care about it at all. But when stuff like all those catholic priests comes out, I am happy that I'm not religious.

So its religion thats responsible rather than just bad people?

I am happy that I'm not religious. I would be ashamed to call myself christian or whatever.

Its the people that corrupt the religion rather than the religion corrupting the people. In this case gay pedophiles.

And since those priests mainly targeted boys, they're gay pedophile priests. How wrong is that?

About as wrong as you can get.

Why are we talking about gay priests in a thead about a gay porn actor teacher?

I do see a common denominator now that you brought it up.
Its not priests, its not teachers.

If the Christian teacher can leave out pamphlets attacking homosexuals through her classroom, then this guy should be able to engage in acts that indeed shouldn't be available to the children of the community.

Hypocrites.

Justin

Originally posted by Powerboss
IS THAT THE OUTRAGE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR?

Yeah, basically. Just looking for consistency. Found it. Thanks. :)

Originally posted by Unrepresented
If the Christian teacher can leave out pamphlets attacking homosexuals through her classroom, then this guy should be able to engage in acts that indeed shouldn't be available to the children of the community.

Hypocrites.

Justin

Please elaborate...

What is illegal or immoral about leaving pamphlets?

Originally posted by Powerboss


Please elaborate...

What is illegal or immoral about leaving pamphlets?

Using one's gov't position involved in the education of children to progress one's religious beliefs to young children is in my opinion a violation of the separation clause of the first amendment.

You effectively claim that a teacher's lifestyle and other forms of income are of equal of greater advocacy than the pamphleteering teacher's lifestyle dispite it being unavailble to the children of the community BY LAW.

Granted homosexuality is not a religion, but they're both effectively advocacy dilemmas. I'd rather have someone "advocating" something to the children that they're unable to consume than someone advocating (notice lack of quotation marks) something that's forbidden by our constitution.

Justin

Originally posted by Unrepresented
If the Christian teacher can leave out pamphlets attacking homosexuals through her classroom, then this guy should be able to engage in acts that indeed shouldn't be available to the children of the community.

Hypocrites.

Justin

Is there something about biologically aberrant sex, especially as it involves adults preying on children, that you don't understand? Why give *potential* molesters access to kids when they have been identified. You feel that a gay porn actor does not show some prediliction?

Feel free to teach your offspring whatever you wish, and if gay teachers are ok w/ you no problem for me. You can 'teach' them anything you want, although at some point our legal system WILL get involved, especially if gay sex w/ minors is occuring.

Originally posted by hammegk


Is there something about biologically aberrant sex, especially as it involves adults preying on children, that you don't understand? Why give *potential* molesters access to kids when they have been identified. You feel that a gay porn actor does not show some prediliction?

Feel free to teach your offspring whatever you wish, and if gay teachers are ok w/ you no problem for me. You can 'teach' them anything you want, although at some point our legal system WILL get involved, especially if gay sex w/ minors is occuring.

If the teachers are abusing their authority and indeed having intercourse with a (minor) student then they should be subject to our legal system. I have no argument with you there.

But pornography involvement does not a child molestor make. Nor does homosexuality equate to molestor status. If the teacher were involved with creating pornography that was pedophiliac in nature (which is illegal) I would indeed be greatly concerned for the well-being of my children. However I'm fairly sure that the partners he's having sex with in the videos are consenting adults.

Justin

Using one's gov't position involved in the education of children to progress one's religious beliefs to young children is in my opinion a violation of the separation clause of the first amendment.

First off....I believe the issue you are referring to is the issue of the college teacher.
We are talking a private college with college aged kids vs a publick school with children.

She was not doing anything out of the ordinary, she was not pushing her beliefs as the pamphlets were just laying out.

You effectively claim that a teacher's lifestyle and other forms of income are of equal of greater advocacy than the pamphleteering teacher's lifestyle dispite it being unavailble to the children of the community BY LAW

Again, she wastn pushing the pamphlets, they were simply laying out.
Regarding the teacher, the issue is, should anyone, gay or straight, with sexual issues, be in the proximity of children.
That is the issue. He has mental issues and is on shaky emotional ground, or he has no moral compass. Either way, that person should not be around children.

Granted homosexuality is not a religion,

You would think it was the way it is championed by some.

I'd rather have someone "advocating" something to the children that they're unable to consume than someone advocating (notice lack of quotation marks) something that's forbidden by our constitution.

Well, that determination hasnt been made. The school saw no foul, until a gay made a stink and misrepresented the issue.
The courts havent decided on the issue and from what I've read the teacher is in the right, thus she is not violating the consititution.
I dont want any teacher advocating any type of sex, gay or straight. Thats not thier job in my opinion. When the time is right, that is the parents job and I would resent having to explain to my child what "gay" is when I dont feel they are ready to digest the information.

Originally posted by Unrepresented


However I'm fairly sure that the partners he's having sex with in the videos are consenting adults.

Justin

My reading of the world is nicely said by jwreck "It's only kinky the first time".

I have no idea what the teacher was doing, nor want to find out. What I don't need is another potential area of concern for my kids' safety and wellbeing.

Teachers, priests, coaches, scout masters etc are not 'just anyone' but will be looked up to as role models.

Once someone in a position of trust breaks one (in this case community morality) rule, is it not easier to break the next, and certainly easier to re-break the first?

Oh please. As soon as you people saw gay porn, you never questioned whether the man was a decent teacher or if he had positive recognition in his position. All you wanted was him to fry. THAT is truly pathetic. He should be free to do as he wishes OUTSIDE of his position. Has he molested children? Which is I am sure what you sick people think that has happened or will happen. Some of us who don't quarantine ourselves to our own "kind" understand that being gay or participating in activities such as stripping or porn do not tag people as child molesters and abusers.

And why hasn't anyone addressed how the porn was found? What if a parent was browsing for porn and found it. We should take the kids away from that parent right away!!! He may fondle them!!! Yes, all of us that have natural curiosities about sexual activity shouldn't have children, after all we put children at risk right. :rolleyes: If it was a school official that found it, why haven't they been fired?

HYPOCRITES! That is all I have to say. How many times have you been to a strip bar or viewed porn Powerboss? Maybe the government should come snatch your kids up because you could be a risk, after all, you had perverted thoughts. :rolleyes:

The fact that no one has even questioned what kind of teacher this man was is also a good view of the pathetic lynchmob mentality being viewed here.

Originally posted by Powerboss
You people are truly pathetic.


:bs:

Thats a good way to start off a post..

Originally posted by Powerboss
First off....I believe the issue you are referring to is the issue of the college teacher.
We are talking a private college with college aged kids vs a publick school with children.

Perhaps my memory is fuzzy on the details. If these facts are indeed true then I consent that I have less of a standpoint to claim the separation clause with. Powerboss 1, Justin 0.

Originally posted by Powerboss

Regarding the teacher, the issue is, should anyone, gay or straight, with sexual issues, be in the proximity of children.
That is the issue. He has mental issues and is on shaky emotional ground, or he has no moral compass. Either way, that person should not be around children.

This is where we're going to have to disagree. Homosexuality has not been considered a mental illness by the medical field since the early 70's. "Shaky emotional ground" and "no moral compass" are pretty subjective terms, and the medical groups do not necessarily back that up. What can you cite that defends homosexuality in terms of legal precedence or medical data that would suggest that homosexuals are going to automatically be subject to any of the above issues you've claimed?



Originally posted by Powerboss
I dont want any teacher advocating any type of sex, gay or straight. Thats not thier job in my opinion. When the time is right, that is the parents job and I would resent having to explain to my child what "gay" is when I dont feel they are ready to digest the information.

You did not understand my use of "advocating." I am not suggesting at all that the teacher sould be including his love of his pronographic occupation into his teaching cirriculum. In fact, any mention of this would be grounds for termination. But you're claiming that his existence as a homosexual and his occupation in pornography equate to advocacy of either field within his position as an educator. I disagree with this as well. We should have the right to privacy EVEN as educators. Lives outside the classroom so long as they are not made available to the students should have no bearing on the ability of the teacher to educate within the classroom. So long as they're an upstanding citizen within the classroom, they can and should be able to express themselves outside the classroom. The involvment of the teacher in pornography is not within the classroom, furthermore it is not available to the children outside the classroom. Being a homosexual does not equate to advocacy of it at all times, and discussions of sexual matters should be left to specially organized and parentally condoned moments. We agree on this. But you're effectively saying that adult actions, outside of the school and unavailable to children are grounds for dismissal. What's to say that I don't fear any teacher having sex and my kid sneaking up to their window at night?

Ban educators from having sex entirely? A population of chastized eunuch educators?

Justin

Oh please. As soon as you people saw gay porn, you never questioned whether the man was a decent teacher or if he had positive recognition in his position. All you wanted was him to fry.

Im afraid you're dead wrong. I dont care if he teaches as long as A) his sex lifestyle isnt brought into the classroom
B) He has questionable mental issues.

That goes for straight, gay....whatever kink.

He should be free to do as he wishes OUTSIDE of his position.

No, there are morals clauses and standards of behaiviour.
You have to admit that anyone, gay or straight, that wants to star in porn movies is of questinable character and mental faculties.
And, why would you want someone of questionable character or mental faculties around your kids?

Has he molested children? Which is I am sure what you sick people think that has happened or will happen.

This sick person doesnt know if he has or hasnt.
Thats not the point.
The point is that the opportunity should be eliminated for someone of questionable character or mental faculties.
If you eliminate the opportunity for it to happen, it wont happen.

Some of us who don't quarantine ourselves to our own "kind" understand that being gay or participating in activities such as stripping or porn do not tag people as child molesters and abusers.

Most people of questionable sexual backgrounds/activities have been sexually abused in some way.
Again, this is just eliminating any opportunity of something bad happening.

And why hasn't anyone addressed how the porn was found? What if a parent was browsing for porn and found it. We should take the kids away from that parent right away!!! He may fondle them!!! Yes, all of us that have natural curiosities about sexual activity shouldn't have children, after all we put children at risk right. If it was a school official that found it, why haven't they been fired?

I dont think how it was found is the issue here.
What someone does in the privacy of thier own home, away from thier children, is their business.

HYPOCRITES! That is all I have to say. How many times have you been to a strip bar or viewed porn Powerboss? Maybe the government should come snatch your kids up because you could be a risk, after all, you had perverted thoughts.

I dont know why you have to get all reactionary and start with the trash....
What I do in my time, IN PRIVATE, AWAY FROM KIDS, AND NOT PUBLICSED OR FILMED TO BE SPREAD IN PUBLIC is my business and nobody elses. Furthermore, I am nobodys employee and dont have a morals clause.
If you had said what if I make porn films and distribute them, then you may have a legitimate case in calling me a hypocrit, but I dont, so you have no case.

Can you not differentiate all this?


The fact that no one has even questioned what kind of teacher this man was is also a good view of the pathetic lynchmob mentality being viewed here.

No, its about standards of behaiviour for people that deal with children.....like teachers, doctors, priests and any other profession that deals with kids.
You are not putting the childrens best interests first. If/when you have kids your tune will change.

Perhaps my memory is fuzzy on the details. If these facts are indeed true then I consent that I have less of a standpoint to claim the separation clause with. Powerboss 1, Justin 0.

well, I wouldnt go that far, my memory is a little fuzzy too....Ill try to search for that article.

This is where we're going to have to disagree. Homosexuality has not been considered a mental illness by the medical field since the early 70's. "Shaky emotional ground" and "no moral compass" are pretty subjective terms, and the medical groups do not necessarily back that up. ?

You are right about the medical fields changing of their tune, but most of it was due to political pressure. There are many physicians outside of the AMA and other "official" medical organizations that do not agree with their stance.

What can you cite that defends homosexuality in terms of legal precedence or medical data that would suggest that homosexuals are going to automatically be subject to any of the above issues you've claimed?

Im not applying necessarly to homosexuals but I am applying it to any person (gay or straight) that has the need to make porno movies and publicise them. None of them shoudl be in surrounding with children.

You did not understand my use of "advocating." I am not suggesting at all that the teacher sould be including his love of his pronographic occupation into his teaching cirriculum. In fact, any mention of this would be grounds for termination. But you're claiming that his existence as a homosexual and his occupation in pornography equate to advocacy of either field within his position as an educator. I disagree with this as well.

I think we mostly agree here and may have misunderstood each other. My only disagreement with any of the above is that his occupation in porn (gay or straight) is of questionalbe character/mental faculties.
He obviously has a need to publicise his sexual acts....I cant think of one normal person that has to do this....
Some have to because they have to put food on the table, and cant find any other employment....that is about the only extenuating circumstance I can think of.
He doesnt fit into that category as he is a teacher and is paid suffieicent wages to survive.

We should have the right to privacy EVEN as educators. Lives outside the classroom so long as they are not made available to the students should have no bearing on the ability of the teacher to educate within the classroom. So long as they're an upstanding citizen within the classroom, they can and should be able to express themselves outside the classroom. The involvment of the teacher in pornography is not within the classroom, furthermore it is not available to the children outside the classroom.

He's not being private in publicising his sexual acts. He has publicised it and that is his responsibility.
I would agree with you that what he does in private is his business, but he's not doing it in private and by very nature of what he's doing, it became public knowledge and that is harmful to the school, the profession of teaching, and the kids.

Being a homosexual does not equate to advocacy of it at all times, and discussions of sexual matters should be left to specially organized and parentally condoned moments. We agree on this. But you're effectively saying that adult actions, outside of the school and unavailable to children are grounds for dismissal.

Thats not what Im saying. Im saying that private sexual actions, outside of the school are fine, whatever as long as it is not causing harm.
Sexual actions, made public purposely in the form of movies, raise certain moral, ethical, and behaivioural questions about said individual, gay or straight.

What's to say that I don't fear any teacher having sex and my kid sneaking up to their window at night?

Huh? Whta people do in private is their business. I dont want my kid snooping in someones bedroom and clearly there is a big difference between the two issues.

Ban educators from having sex entirely? A population of chastized eunuch educators?

LOL.....I just prefer the whole aspect of sexuality be left to the family. This guy is now having to force parents explain to thier kids, who may not be emotionally developed or prepared to understand, what is going on.
As a parent, I resent that.

Originally posted by Powerboss


Im afraid you're dead wrong. I dont care if he teaches as long as A) his sex lifestyle isnt brought into the classroom
B) He has questionable mental issues.

That goes for straight, gay....whatever kink.

I'm sorry, but you seem to have this gay attacking agenda, so I find that difficult to believe. His lifestyle was never brought in to the classroom and if until this incident it doesn't seem that he was under suspision for any mental issues.



No, there are morals clauses and standards of behaiviour.
You have to admit that anyone, gay or straight, that wants to star in porn movies is of questinable character and mental faculties.
And, why would you want someone of questionable character or mental faculties around your kids?

It's not my position to question someone's 'morals', especially when there has been no evidence of any wrong doing. None. Nada. Zilch. I do not have a god complex. What exactly IS questionable character? So much can be construed as questionable, especially for these holy crusaders, that they should just stick their children in small boxes and tuck them away from the world.



This sick person doesnt know if he has or hasnt.
Thats not the point.
The point is that the opportunity should be eliminated for someone of questionable character or mental faculties.
If you eliminate the opportunity for it to happen, it wont happen.


That is EXACTLY the point. He is being basically labeled as guilty and has committed no crime. By your way of thinking, we should just round up anyone that may one day commit a crime. Backwards justice. What he does outside of work is NO ONES concern. How hard is that to swallow?

Most people of questionable sexual backgrounds/activities have been sexually abused in some way.
Again, this is just eliminating any opportunity of something bad happening.

Eh? What's your point here?


I dont think how it was found is the issue here.
What someone does in the privacy of thier own home, away from thier children, is their business.

So, it's okay for a parent or school official to indulge in gay porn? Especially since they did it in the privacy of their own home? Double standards at work.



I dont know why you have to get all reactionary and start with the trash....
What I do in my time, IN PRIVATE, AWAY FROM KIDS, AND NOT PUBLICSED OR FILMED TO BE SPREAD IN PUBLIC is my business and nobody elses. Furthermore, I am nobodys employee and dont have a morals clause.
If you had said what if I make porn films and distribute them, then you may have a legitimate case in calling me a hypocrit, but I dont, so you have no case.

Reactionary? Yeah and calling people pathetic is very sensible. :rolleyes: You missed the point entirely of course, and most probably on purpose. So are you saying unless you have a morals clause you can't be held accountable? Look, if you're going to intrude in people's lives for the 'safety of the children' do it across the board at least! If a parent was viewing this gay porn, he should also be held accountable! For the most part, this man did this AWAY from the classroom.

No, its about standards of behaiviour for people that deal with children.....like teachers, doctors, priests and any other profession that deals with kids.
You are not putting the childrens best interests first. If/when you have kids your tune will change.

Since I know a buncha weird folks have have indulged in odd sexual activities that have children and have never harmed them, no, my tune will probably not change. I actually had a gay teacher in high school. Thank goodness my parents were level headed enough to understand that his sexual preferences had nothing to do with his capibility to do his job.

FWIW, I have a little boy and little girl in grade school that I care very much for and have helped raise... my tune will not change as I will never be intrusive in regards to what someone does outside of the classroom.


LOL.....I just prefer the whole aspect of sexuality be left to the family. This guy is now having to force parents explain to thier kids, who may not be emotionally developed or prepared to understand, what is going on.
As a parent, I resent that.

This guy? What bullcrap. Someone ELSE intruded into his life and what he does outside of work. Blame them.

I'm sorry, but you seem to have this gay attacking agenda, so I find that difficult to believe. His lifestyle was never brought in to the classroom and if until this incident it doesn't seem that he was under suspision for any mental issues.

Really? Why would you think that I have that agenda?
Could it then be said that you have this religion attacking agenda?

His lifestyle WAS brought out in the open after he CHOSE to go public by filming and distributing his porn movies that he was in.
This is HIS responsibility. Had he acted with some morals, or decency, or rational thought, this never would've happened.


It's not my position to question someone's 'morals', especially when there has been no evidence of any wrong doing. None. Nada. Zilch. I do not have a god complex. What exactly IS questionable character? So much can be construed as questionable, especially for these holy crusaders, that they should just stick their children in small boxes and tuck them away from the world.

You have been indoctrinated into moral relativism.
You can use that as YOUR belief system but dont try to impose it on me.
That is not my belief system. I still believe in the system of morals, ethics, virtues, based on the bible, that built this country.
Questionable behaiviour in this case is defined as making porn movies and distributing them.

That is EXACTLY the point. He is being basically labeled as guilty and has committed no crime. By your way of thinking, we should just round up anyone that may one day commit a crime. Backwards justice. What he does outside of work is NO ONES concern. How hard is that to swallow?

Who said he was guilty of anything? He violated standards of behaiviour, which in many professions in or out of the workplace, is grounds for dismissal.

Eh? What's your point here?

If you eliminate the opportunity for it to happen, it wont happen.
Its called minimizing the risks.
You wouldnt leave the store to an employee that may have a tendency to steal would you?

So, it's okay for a parent or school official to indulge in gay porn? Especially since they did it in the privacy of their own home? Double standards at work.

No, not if they begin distributing it to the PUBLIC.

Reactionary? Yeah and calling people pathetic is very sensible. You missed the point entirely of course, and most probably on purpose. So are you saying unless you have a morals clause you can't be held accountable? Look, if you're going to intrude in people's lives for the 'safety of the children' do it across the board at least! If a parent was viewing this gay porn, he should also be held accountable! For the most part, this man did this AWAY from the classroom.

No, thats not what Im saying.
And there was no intrusion. By making his video's PUBLIC, its his fault.
If a parent is viewing porn, away from the kids, in the privacy of thier own home, there is no foul.
If a parent is starring in porn, and are distributing it, FOUL.

Since I know a buncha weird folks have have indulged in odd sexual activities that have children and have never harmed them, no, my tune will probably not change. I actually had a gay teacher in high school. Thank goodness my parents were level headed enough to understand that his sexual preferences had nothing to do with his capibility to do his job.

How did you know he was gay?

FWIW, I have a little boy and little girl in grade school that I care very much for and have helped raise... my tune will not change as I will never be intrusive in regards to what someone does outside of the classroom.

If you say so...but the fact that HE made the videos PUBLIC is not an intrusion. An intrusion would be someone breaking into his house and stealing a home video of him, or standing outside his window and filming him.

This guy? What bullcrap. Someone ELSE intruded into his life and what he does outside of work. Blame them.

I honestly dont know how you can sit there and say other people intruded on his privacy. It is a total contradiction of the facts.
He made movies, and made them available TO THE PUBLIC. Therefore, he has no privacy issue as his videos wernt in private, they were distributed to the PUBLIC.
How do you willingly distribute a video to the public and then somehow claim privacy? That is what you are saying, it makes no sense.

:topic: Yeah, everyone knows me, I am always disespecting religion others choose to follow. :rolleyes: :topic:

I guess that is your way of saying the discussion is over?



Remember this one?

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7263

Originally posted by Powerboss
I guess that is your way of saying the discussion is over?



Remember this one?

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7263

Did you bother to read the post? I doubt it. You would of seen the word zealot. You would also see that it was aimed at a stupid website in particular. It spawned my "whine". Of course instead of reading and trying to understand my point, you take it out of context, very typical of you. What's next? Are you going to childishly quote me in your signature too?

I have made my points on the gay teacher thread, you choose to take your side and I choose mine. You can label it cute phrases as moral relativism, but the fact of the matter is, he never brought it into the school, someone else did. I'm still amazed no one has even begun to inquire as to what this man's teaching background was. I suppose no one ever bothered to investigate such things during the Salem Witch trials either, just a bunch of paranoid wackos running around drowing innocent people.

I dont know why you are getting so angry and defensive.
You are usually pretty level, we just happen to totally disagree on this one.
Look, its not just that thread I cited, but its repeated comments by you, including some in this thread.
And you were the one who started with the "anti-whatever" agenda bs. I dont think Ive taken your feelings on religion out of any context. They're all your words for all to see....In fact, I didnt say you said anything.
And for that matter can you point to some examples of me taking other peoples words out of context?
Would you like me to quote you in my sig?

Geezus buggy...I dont know why you are so bent and being mean to me, I was not being mean to you.

Originally posted by Powerboss
I dont know why you are getting so angry and defensive.
You are usually pretty level, we just happen to totally disagree on this one.
Look, its not just that thread I cited, but its repeated comments by you, including some in this thread.
And you were the one who started with the "anti-whatever" agenda bs. I dont think Ive taken your feelings on religion out of any context. They're all your words for all to see....In fact, I didnt say you said anything.
And for that matter can you point to some examples of me taking other peoples words out of context?
Would you like me to quote you in my sig?

Geezus buggy...I dont know why you are so bent and being mean to me, I was not being mean to you.

I'm not being mean! I am being observant. You tend to attack people that don't share your views. You took my whine post out of context, that is a good example. Also, exactly WHAT repeated comments are those?

I'm also not angry, I am irked that very little is known about this man and he is being persecuted, what good is America if we're elliminated because we *may* screw up. I am bent because he may be a great school teacher, but he is being booted. If no one gets bent over it, some parent could one day have hids kids snatched from him because he likes gay porn himself.

As well I am TRYING to be logical. This man's rights are being trampled on and no one has even bothered to see what he did as a teacher. Sad indeed.

Oh yeah, and I knew my teacher was gay because I ran into him at #'s (know that one, jwreck?) - with his date, another man. I disclosed this information to my mother and she said she already suspected by his character that he could of been.

Where did I attack you buggy?

I didnt take your whine post out of context...I simply posted the link for anyone to look at. You have made several comments about religion et all. I dont want to get into it but if you are calling me a liar...

I'm also not angry, I am irked that very little is known about this man and he is being persecuted, what good is America if we're elliminated because we *may* screw up. I am bent because he may be a great school teacher, but he is being booted. If no one gets bent over it, some parent could one day have hids kids snatched from him because he likes gay porn himself.

As well I am TRYING to be logical. This man's rights are being trampled on and no one has even bothered to see what he did as a teacher. Sad indeed.

Regarding all this. I just think you're wrong and I think the cute little title of "moral relativism" fits the bill.
Im not saying that to be mean or consecending, Im just being frank with you.
I think we should just agree that we disagree and leave it at that.
Our points have been made.
I like you, and I dont want to lose what I thought was something of a friendship.

Good day.

Isn't this place for disagreements? I never take my disagreements with anyone, at least I try not to, outside of 'said' post. Also, you never attacked me specifically, but you called folks who opposed your view pathetic.

I feel that zealots are evil. Who doesn't? Geez, b1tch once about crusaders angered because PBS has evolution shows and you're all of the sudden a rude, evil christian basher.

And it's actually good night. :p

Originally posted by Powerboss
Most people of questionable sexual backgrounds/activities have been sexually abused in some way.
Again, this is just eliminating any opportunity of something bad happening

Do you have a proposal to stop this PB? And could you explain to me what it is you mean by "questionable sexual background" before I get confused over something you didnt mean? :) But I will answer what I guess you meant anyway....wooo fun fun.

Im going to *guess* (and I know you will correct me if Im wrong ;)) that you mean gay people and homosexual sex (as well as porn making and all that). Im a fairly kinky kind of girl, I will try almost anything once...Im into S&M and bondage etc, Im also bi-sexual.....does this make me questionable? I also keep it in the bedroom however...does this mean Im ok, since Im not showing to the public in whatever fashion?

I used to work in a child care centre but stopped when it started to drive me mad and I hated the Centre....I love little kids and would NEVER EVER even THINK about abusing them in ANY way let alone sexually.....am I still a *risk* to them or is it only those who make porn and what not?

I was also raped a while ago...does this make me more of threat? Am i becoming dangerous to be around children? I dont think so.....

I think this teacher should have been left alone, he wasnt harming the children, he obviously didnt let them know about his life outside of school and his teaching skills were not said to be at fault. I wouldnt have any problems with him teaching any children that I had (though my partner would :rolleyes: ), for the simple fact he wasnt proven to be a danger to the children.....if his porn involved a minor then hell yeah sack him....but it was consenting adults making adult "entertainment".

1. Pornography in the U.S. is NOT protected by the Constitution. Therefore the teacher can't use free speeach as a defense.

2. Teachers are supposed to be ROLE MODELS... the kind of people that you and your kids want to be like when they grow up. Would YOU want your kids to be a porn star (gay or straight)? Would you want them to risk the associated problems that go with the lifestyle, such as a higher than normal chance of getting AIDS, drugs, etc.?

3. If in the hiring qualifications, there was anything about "good moral character", as they do with police officers, that alone is the grounds to have the teacher fired.

But when stuff like all those catholic priests comes out, I am happy that I'm not religious. I would be ashamed to call myself christian or whatever. And since those priests mainly targeted boys, they're gay pedophile priests. How wrong is that?

What is the difference between a gay pediophile priest and just being a gay pediophile?

Would you be ashmed of the school system if it hired gay pediophile teachers?

Why do you blame the whole institution for the actions of a few bad people?

Do you defend NAMBLA? If so why not defend the priests as well?

Finally, why is it when Bill Clinton gets busted, it's just about sex, but when a priest does it, it's worthy of capital punishment?

Do you have a proposal to stop this PB? And could you explain to me what it is you mean by "questionable sexual background" before I get confused over something you didnt mean? But I will answer what I guess you meant anyway....wooo fun fun.

You might want to look at this website.

http://allpsych.com/disorders/paraphilias/index.html

OK, here is the headline...

Broward Seeks To Fire 'Temptation' Teacher For Web Porn

Superintendent Says His Public Display Of Sex Crosses The Line

WEB PORN... how do we know that the kids didn't discover what the teacher was up to at school while surfing the net?

Public Display Of Sex... that says it all right there, doesn't it?

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Let me reverse the question on some of you... many of you feel that what a person does in his private life is their business, right? What if it turned out that the teacher in question turned out to be a member of the Klan or maybe a militia group, and was caught at a meeting? Should they be fired then? What if the school did in fact decide to fire them? Would you be as ardent to defend his actions then? Why or why not?

Originally posted by Turbostang
Let me reverse the question on some of you... many of you feel that what a person does in his private life is their business, right? What if it turned out that the teacher in question turned out to be a member of the Klan or maybe a militia group, and was caught at a meeting? Should they be fired then? What if the school did in fact decide to fire them? Would you be as ardent to defend his actions then? Why or why not?

Honestly, and I say this, obviously as someone who will very probably never be faced with this senario or the porn etc etc, if they were a member of militia or Klan member I dont think that person should be fired. I hate what the Klan does as much as anyone but its not as if the teacher would be spouting KKK propaganda at the school or burning crosses in front of the children, if they were, firing them would be justified I guess....spreading hate and all of that. Just because someone is a Klan member doesnt mean they are not a good teacher, or mechanic or whatever. If they stick to their job description for what they do and bring nothing personal into it, then I dont see what the problem should be. How good a teacher he is/was should be the main focus here...not what he does in his spare time.

Why arent these kids being watched more closely in regards to porn on the web anyway? I know Id be right there with my small kids if they wanted to use the net.....teachers should be watching them like hawks too. They do here....I have NO idea what classes in the USA are like though.....teachers:students might be smaller than we have here and it may not be possible.