The publication of cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammed has had the effect of the September 11 attacks on the Islamic world, argued Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Secretary-General of the Organization of Islamic Conference.

Muslims are offended by the cartoons, Mr. Ihsanoglu told High Representative of the Common Foreign and Security Policy of the European Union (EU) Javier Solana; currently on tour in the Middle East.http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060214&hn=29765

More proof that Muslims are insane.

You just don't get it do you? What one person says does not equal what ALL muslims think.

At least get that part for goodness sake.

Mark

^ no, you don't get it.

What don't I get thumper? Enlighten me.

Mark

libruls are a lost cause :|

For the second time I have to agree with something Thumper said!

Cellular, you DON'T get it.

You are still stuck with that nihilistic claim that "why not all of them feel like the extremists." But you are WRONG in that assumption. MOST Muslims entirely agree with the goals of the extremists. They tacitly support them, too. Worse, nearly EVERY Muslim nation VOCALLY supports extremism and funds it.

There are so few "moderate" Muslims that their numbers are almost meaningless and they are certainly powerless. Islam is having an "internal struggle", but it isn't between the so-called moderates and the extremists. It is between the hardcore and the radicals!

There is almost NO moderate voice in Islam anywhere in the world. Even the Muslims actually invested in the western processes turn their backs on Western mores all the way down the line.

Now, this does not mean that Islam must be anti-modern. It just means that it is NOW anti-modern. And it will not be "fixed" until after a great destruction takes place. And that destruction will be either that the west is destroyed or Islam is.

I used to think, like you, that this wasn't a "war" between Islam and the world. But, now I am convinced that it is, indeed, a war. One started by THEM. We are foolish to pretend that it ISN'T a war.

Thumper does get it. Hitler didn't speak for all the Germans. Mao for all the Chinese. Lenin/stalin for all the Ruskies.

But they still killed a combined 250 million people.

Wake up. Unreformed Islam is the enemy.

do you think this cleric meant that comment as a backhanded slap? the whole 9/11 comment. now that i think about it, it seems like such a sick joke. kinda like a rapist who gets a parking ticket because the woman he raped took his reserved parking spot, and then having him turn around telling his rape victim that he now feels raped by her. what a bunch of sickos. :o

coming to a western country near you :eek3:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/world/0602/gallery.pakistan.protests/01.pak.afp.gi.jpg

First, he didn't say that the cartoons are "like 9/11." He said that the effect of the cartoons is like the effect of 9/11. Therefore, the title of the thread is an obtuse misreading of the subject.

Second, to the extent that the reactions to these two events are absurdly exaggerated, he is correct.

Finally, to infer from what one person said that a billion other people are "insane" is just stupid; the stupidity is explained by the fact that the inference is not based on logic, but on dullwitted bigotry.

First, he didn't say that the cartoons are "like 9/11." He said that the effect of the cartoons is like the effect of 9/11. Therefore, the title of the thread is an obtuse misreading of the subject.now you're just being silly :nonono:

Second, to the extent that the reactions to these two events are absurdly exaggerated, he is correct.from what I gather, he's still putting the onus on the Europeans. Hence the move to push for more 'anti-hate' legislation against self-created 'Islamophobia', or what should appear to most by now as more concessions toward Islam.Finally, to infer from what one person said that a billion other people are "insane" is just stupid; the stupidity is explained by the fact that the inference is not based on logic, but on dullwitted bigotry.this willful ignorance is getting old. By clinging to this 'all or nothing' rule, you're able to close your eyes to everything going on in the world?

If this guy came from the Hamas party (who maintain that they enjoy drinking Jewish blood BTW) , I wouldn't even bother. Unfortunately, he is the leader of a broad cross section of muslims. Hell, he's the SECRETARY GENERAL of the Organization of Islamic Conference. Everyday we see these outrageous statements that don't come from a 'radical minority', but rather political figures (Iranian leadership calling for Israeli destruction anyone?), and in this case, a Muslim prominent to speak to the EU high commission.

the muslim scum compare the cartoons to this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6829152403332975963&q=wtc+tribute

Everyday we see these outrageous statements that don't come from a 'radical minority', but rather political figures (Iranian leadership calling for Israeli destruction anyone?), and in this case, a Muslim prominent to speak to the EU high commission.

What he said was this:

"It is unfortunate that the Islamic world took the satirical drawings as a different version of the September 11 attacks against them," said Mr. Ihsanoglu. "I hope," he added, "the EU will adopt a new ruling to fight against Islamophobia.""

There's nothing "outrageous" about that statement.

Consequently, by creating yet another boring, misleading thread expressing your bigotry based on this, you only demonstrate the severity of your intellectual limitations.

What he said was this:

"It is unfortunate that the Islamic world took the satirical drawings as a different version of the September 11 attacks against them," said Mr. Ihsanoglu. "I hope," he added, "the EU will adopt a new ruling to fight against Islamophobia.""

There's nothing "outrageous" about that statement.

Consequently, by creating yet another boring, misleading thread expressing your bigotry based on this, you only demonstrate the severity of your intellectual limitations.how is my thread title misleading again? you're just reiterating his claim that muslims consider the cartoon to be their 9/11

how is my thread title misleading again? you're just reiterating his claim that muslims consider the cartoon to be their 9/11

The thread is misleading because he said the exact opposite of what you attribute to him. You implied that he said the cartoons are like 9/11, whereas in fact he said that it's "unfortunate" that some muslims react to the cartoons as if they were comparable to 9/11.

Your skills as a debater are inadequate, and your basically dishonest; both of these factors explain why you're a racist.

The thread is misleading because he said the exact opposite of what you attribute to him. You implied that he said the cartoons are like 9/11, whereas in fact he said that it's "unfortunate" that some muslims react to the cartoons as if they were comparable to 9/11.

Your skills as a debater are inadequate.i actually read it wrong at first :o

still, it's only worse because it's not just a dude saying this, but many muslims, which only proves their evilness :| :eek3:

another touching tribute...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5507045609679997314&q=wtc+tribute

What he said was this:

"It is unfortunate that the Islamic world took the satirical drawings as a different version of the September 11 attacks against them," said Mr. Ihsanoglu. "I hope," he added, "the EU will adopt a new ruling to fight against Islamophobia.""

There's nothing "outrageous" about that statement.

Consequently, by creating yet another boring, misleading thread expressing your bigotry based on this, you only demonstrate the severity of your intellectual limitations.


The statement is utterly outrageous. To compare the response of the Muslim world over fake drawings of Muhammed, to the cold blooded murder of thousands of innocent civillians in any way is ludicrous.

The rioters are obviously easily incited to mass violence. If it only takes a cartoon to bring about this behavior, what will they do when something happens that actually matters?

Face it, most of the world couldn't care less if the protesters killed each other off completely tomorrow. If they weren't torching embassies and consulates, which by treaty are soveriegn territories, which are supposed to be protected by their host nations, this wouldn't be such a big issue.

Certian groups of Muslims are always protesting against something, and they play directly to the cameras. That's why the signs we see on TV are almost always in English.

The 911 comparison is completely false, and the statement was quite possibly intentionally made to arouse even more emotions, or even sympathy for the large mobs of murderous property destroyers, who are engaging in violence around the world.

"The 911 comparison is completely false, and the statement was quite possibly intentionally made to arouse even more emotions, or even sympathy for the large mobs of murderous property destroyers, who are engaging in violence around the world."

Once again, for the reading-impaired, he compared the reaction to the cartoons to the reaction to 9/11, and not the two events. Then he said that this is "unfortunate."

Saying that the reaction to the cartoons is "unfortunate" is exactly the opposite of attempting to arouse even more emotions.

T totally insane. Worse than animals, get it?

The publication of cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammed has had the effect of the September 11 attacks on the Islamic world

Thats like comparing the farting of a sparrow to a hurricane force wind.

Thats like comparing the farting of a sparrow to a hurricane force wind.are you finally coming around http://www.smiliesftw.com/!/hsugh.gif

Things are looking better -

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/20060204.gif

Second, to the extent that the reactions to these two events are absurdly exaggerated, he is correct.


Oh, I think one is a lot more unreasonable and exaggerated than the other.

"The 911 comparison is completely false, and the statement was quite possibly intentionally made to arouse even more emotions, or even sympathy for the large mobs of murderous property destroyers, who are engaging in violence around the world."

Once again, for the reading-impaired, he compared the reaction to the cartoons to the reaction to 9/11, and not the two events. Then he said that this is "unfortunate."

Saying that the reaction to the cartoons is "unfortunate" is exactly the opposite of attempting to arouse even more emotions.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that the reactions are "unfortunate', and I for one, do not suffer from reading impairment. Okay, he acknowledges the unfortunate nature of the reaction, but the fact that the protesters ahve the audacity to make such a comparison is still ridiculous, and downright insulting to the victims of 911 above all others, and anyone who considers themselves to be an American.

The reaction of the US, and most of the world to 911 was one of shock, outrage, and anger over an act of extremely violent, premeditated, and deliberate mass murder of innocents on a grand scale.

The reactions of the fanatics over cartoons has no basis in any serious, or even minor damage being done to anyone, other than those who died as a direct result of the riots and protests, after the fact. Some had their egos offended, but that's not much to riot about for a civilized person.

This "unfortunate" reaction is nothing more than people siezing upon an excuse to riot and destroy lives and property. Nothing horrible happened in relation to this cartoon incident to warrant the type of outrage that occured as a result of 911. No one died from the cartoons. No orphans, widows or widowers were created from the cartoons. No one lost their lives trying to rescue people from the cartoons. The cartoons didn't destroy a single building, nor did they cause anyone's throats to be slashed. Not a single soul was burned to death, and no one had to leap to their deaths from any skyscrapers over the cartoons. No little children, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers or sisters and others have to endure never seeing the people they love again because of the cartoons.

These are the things people had to react to because of 911. Those who lost loved ones reacted by grieving, and living with the memories of their loved ones being needlessly slaughterd in the name of "God". People are reacting by learning to walk on artificial limbs, or how to get through life after being blinded, mutilated and maimed. They react by having to go through extreme depression, sorrow and heartache that will last a lifetime. The reaction of the cartoon fanatics are in no way comparable. What's most "unfortunate" about the whole thing is that there was any violent reaction to begin with, and to compare the reaction to the 911 reaction is not only unfortunate, but it's also absolutely idiotic, and the comparison is nothing more than someone making excuses for the rioting mobsters.

As for the cartoons, yes, people were offended, but so what? No one got hurt. No lives were ruined forever or snuffed out completely. People get offended every day, and Muslim fanatics insult other religions as a matter of course every day, and call for the death of the practitioners of some of those religions, simply because they don't agree with their teachings and beliefs. This goes on every day all over the world, and is taught every Friday at many mosques.

I don't see Christians, Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists rioting because of it anywhere. They're not burning any embassies, nor are they trampling one another to death because they're offended. No one has to break out fire hoses and spray them with highly pressurized water to stop their insane violence. No tear gas canisters have to be tossed at anyone, no rubber bullets need to be fired, and no emergency rooms run out of beds for those who are injured. No one needs to run for their lives as the torch wielding, flag burning mobs approach their nieghborhoods.

And what I find to the most hypocritical part of this whole idiotic menagerie is the fact that some of the people who are so upset, and so outraged over CARTOONS (not real things, drawings on pieces of paper, from a pencil), are some of the same people who CHEERED and had huge celebrations when 911 occured.

The comparison doesn't hold up to the logic level of the average 4 year old, and the individual who made it is an idiotic, excuse maker for anti social, violent thugs and criminals, who are certianly not practicing anything remotely close to a "religion of peace".

I find it interesting that liberals and conservatives agree whole-heartedly that drawing pictures of Mo is an exercise of free speech although it defames Mo's believers (in their eyes) and leads to riot and ethnic hatred. Meanwhile, libs and cons do not support the poor folks who are arrested simply for stating an opinion that the number of a small percentage of the dead during world war 2 is not the same number that was approved by the government.

Cartoonists are more empathetic than neo-nazis, I guess.

I find it interesting that liberals and conservatives agree whole-heartedly that drawing pictures of Mo is an exercise of free speech although it defames Mo's believers (in their eyes) and leads to riot and ethnic hatred. Meanwhile, libs and cons do not support the poor folks who are arrested simply for stating an opinion that the number of a small percentage of the dead during world war 2 is not the same number that was approved by the government.- I, and several other liberals, support those people's right to free speech as well - but as has been pointed out in other threads, the cartoonists weren't likely to've been very bloodthirsty.

Thats like comparing the farting of a sparrow to a hurricane force wind.- Good point, a handfull of people killed and a couple of buildings torched by angry muslims because of cartoons is being compared to >100 000 people killed and several cities bombed by angry americans due to one of the biggest terrorist actions ever :\

It doesn't take a genius to realize that the reactions are "unfortunate', and I for one, do not suffer from reading impairment. Okay, he acknowledges the unfortunate nature of the reaction, but the fact that the protesters ahve the audacity to make such a comparison is still ridiculous, and downright insulting to the victims of 911 above all others, and anyone who considers themselves to be an American.

The reaction of the US, and most of the world to 911 was one of shock, outrage, and anger over an act of extremely violent, premeditated, and deliberate mass murder of innocents on a grand scale.

The reactions of the fanatics over cartoons has no basis in any serious, or even minor damage being done to anyone, other than those who died as a direct result of the riots and protests, after the fact. Some had their egos offended, but that's not much to riot about for a civilized person.

This "unfortunate" reaction is nothing more than people siezing upon an excuse to riot and destroy lives and property. Nothing horrible happened in relation to this cartoon incident to warrant the type of outrage that occured as a result of 911. No one died from the cartoons. No orphans, widows or widowers were created from the cartoons. No one lost their lives trying to rescue people from the cartoons. The cartoons didn't destroy a single building, nor did they cause anyone's throats to be slashed. Not a single soul was burned to death, and no one had to leap to their deaths from any skyscrapers over the cartoons. No little children, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers or sisters and others have to endure never seeing the people they love again because of the cartoons.

These are the things people had to react to because of 911. Those who lost loved ones reacted by grieving, and living with the memories of their loved ones being needlessly slaughterd in the name of "God". People are reacting by learning to walk on artificial limbs, or how to get through life after being blinded, mutilated and maimed. They react by having to go through extreme depression, sorrow and heartache that will last a lifetime. The reaction of the cartoon fanatics are in no way comparable. What's most "unfortunate" about the whole thing is that there was any violent reaction to begin with, and to compare the reaction to the 911 reaction is not only unfortunate, but it's also absolutely idiotic, and the comparison is nothing more than someone making excuses for the rioting mobsters.

As for the cartoons, yes, people were offended, but so what? No one got hurt. No lives were ruined forever or snuffed out completely. People get offended every day, and Muslim fanatics insult other religions as a matter of course every day, and call for the death of the practitioners of some of those religions, simply because they don't agree with their teachings and beliefs. This goes on every day all over the world, and is taught every Friday at many mosques.

I don't see Christians, Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists rioting because of it anywhere. They're not burning any embassies, nor are they trampling one another to death because they're offended. No one has to break out fire hoses and spray them with highly pressurized water to stop their insane violence. No tear gas canisters have to be tossed at anyone, no rubber bullets need to be fired, and no emergency rooms run out of beds for those who are injured. No one needs to run for their lives as the torch wielding, flag burning mobs approach their nieghborhoods.

And what I find to the most hypocritical part of this whole idiotic menagerie is the fact that some of the people who are so upset, and so outraged over CARTOONS (not real things, drawings on pieces of paper, from a pencil), are some of the same people who CHEERED and had huge celebrations when 911 occured.

The comparison doesn't hold up to the logic level of the average 4 year old, and the individual who made it is an idiotic, excuse maker for anti social, violent thugs and criminals, who are certianly not practicing anything remotely close to a "religion of peace".thank you for articulating what I was trying to say, and why it makes perfect sense to call these people insane.

thank you for articulating what I was trying to say, and why it makes perfect sense to call these people insane.

Any time.

I usually don't take these debates seriously at all, but this one actually pi*sed me off.

The nerve of that guy.

are you finally coming around http://www.smiliesftw.com/%21/hsugh.gif

No, you have never understood me in the first place, and you still don't. I am strongly secular and strongly humanist and I am strongly against anything that opposes those two things.

T totally insane. Worse than animals, get it? :nice:
animals kill to survive.
Radical Muslims kill to impose their laws and views.