It came up in one of my reading for my History of Sexuality books of Matriarchy. The chapter spoke about that in this primative/Iceage people that they venerated women. The reason why was because archeologists found what they call "Venus Figurines."

For some, they interpret these carvings nothing short of worship of men towards women. The assertions sound baseless and borderline sexist; they tend to be pushed by liberal women who push the feminist agenda. The other side says that the figurines figures were exaggerated to venerate the female physical body and reproductive organs such as breast and booty. This leads a whole other camp believe that men made these as a form of soft porn or just a social tool that put added emphasis on the female body parts most desireable for a mating.

There are other cultures that reveer women in their worship. Most notibly probably would be the Greeks but in the Near-East and in India there seems to be a Goddess of "fertility." Though they have different names, their existence puts an emphasis on procreation, sustenance of life, and nurturing for the people of those times. Men realized the pivotal and important role women had in giving birth to his seed. So then in some cultures their goddess doubles both as a god and a mother.

Though men of past respect goddesses and loved their mothers, women rights and social status was almost nill. Their bodies were property of their husbands. In many cultures they are little more than second class citizens. Still some couldn't even go out in public, which interesting still exists today. So though men love women, they don't really treat them with an all-encompassing, all-surpassing awe. And yet, some do, figuratively speaking, worship the ground they walk on.

I am stumped on many fronts when it comes to how men view and treat women. The simple thing to say is that they are for sex and nothing more. Then again some really give them overdue respect as if they are really angels. But my dilemma in understanding this connundrum is sort of convoluded, and I would like your guys assistance. I have conflicting ideas that both seem compatable but also oppose each other. Here are my ideas:

women are beautiful
beautiful is just another way saying one is sexually desireable
some are enraptured by beauty beyond function
others recognize beauty as nothing more as opportunity for sex
some fall in love easy
others though they love women, feel their position is not above them


My ideas are somewhat like the Indian poet Bhartrihari. He sums up my feelings in one of his poems to the goddess Satakatraya. She is beautiful in form. He also gives you the idea that when you watch, you are incapable of functioning and subject to impulse and her seduction (in fact, a man's thinking faculties actually shut down when a hot chick passes and his emotional brain takes over. explains why some stumble over their words or get nervous around or near a super hot chick). I bring this up because it is a reoccuring theme in the books that I am assigned to read: men fall in love with women easily w/o control and highly esteem them, though they will not let them usurp or take their power of position from them.

Personally, I see them as walking angels. I have to constantly remind myself that they are still people and nothing more. When I see some pretty girl being treated, I think to myself "doesn't she know how great she is?" I believe that some women don't know the power beauty can afford them, and then there are those who know good and well, and take full advantage. The latter not withstanding, I find myself wrestling with the conflicting ideas that they are naturally above me, but socially not. What are your ideas?

I see them as walking credit card debt.

:|

Well that could be true. Could it be that you fell in love with one girl's physical beauty and then subsequently worshiped her to the point of eroding your own financial means?:D

Yeah some guys are suckers for girls and some are indifferent. I wanna know how do you think one person goes to being a total sucker or goes the opposite way and sees them nothing more than objects. Or how could try to play both sides?

Well that could be true. Could it be that you fell in love with one girl's physical beauty and then subsequently worshiped her to the point of eroding your own financial means?

Me? Hell no.

It's more of a generalization. Women on the whole receive more without having to pay for it than men do.

It's more of a generalization. Women on the whole receive more without having to pay for it than men do.

Women are treated well these days it seems. Still we all know that hot chick that is being mistreated by tha A-hole/shmuck. How does that work?

I know that women are the gatekeepers to sex, and so the whole "sex for food" theory seems to be at work. Yet it seems that both camps use this method. But for those who get themselves in debt, would you say they are the ones that really felt these women were worth the loss?

No matter what it seems that there will be a division of two camps. But then again there is the group that loves women, but won't allow them to usurp their power in the relationship. How does the latter exist and function?

It would seem that it couldn't.

Men and women are equal to the core of their beings no matter what our desires say. You can get in deep shit if you don't realize this continually.

See The Red Queen by Matt Ridley and Sperm Wars by Robin Baker for the point of view I take on this issue.

Men and women are equal to the core of their beings no matter what our desires say. You can get in deep shit if you don't realize this continually.
:bowrofl: I disagree entirely

Women are raised differently than men in western culture. No matter how you perceive these differences in rearing patterns, they do exist. A different raising process breeds different humans.

Women and men have different hormone balances in their blood. Different chemicals in the brain lead to different behaviors. The use of steroids in the sexes is a good working example of how different hormone mixes affect the body.

Men and wome are not equal in the sense that they are fundamentally different!

Women who deserve to be treated like goddesses should get a smidgen of it, but it's addictive for them so ya gotta use it sparingly. There's nothing that turns me off more than a chick who thinks she's heaven sent. No time for that high maintenence materialism either.

Stone has some good thought here.I love spoiling females but man I hate how it makes them act...

:bowrofl: I disagree entirely

Women are raised differently than men in western culture. No matter how you perceive these differences in rearing patterns, they do exist. A different raising process breeds different humans.

Women and men have different hormone balances in their blood. Different chemicals in the brain lead to different behaviors. The use of steroids in the sexes is a good working example of how different hormone mixes affect the body.

Men and wome are not equal in the sense that they are fundamentally different!

Women who deserve to be treated like goddesses should get a smidgen of it, but it's addictive for them so ya gotta use it sparingly. There's nothing that turns me off more than a chick who thinks she's heaven sent. No time for that high maintenence materialism either.

equal doesn't mean not different

Women who deserve to be treated like goddesses should get a smidgen of it, but it's addictive for them so ya gotta use it sparingly. There's nothing that turns me off more than a chick who thinks she's heaven sent. No time for that high maintenence materialism either.

As a women who thrives, (literally thrives, glows, grows) under the attention, affection, and love from her man, i would disagree about the SMIDGEN part. I dated a guy who wouldnt dole out compliments, who wouldnt use his words to explain how he felt about me, wouldnt give me feedback that enjoyed my way, and it used to wreak havoc with me. It's like playing a big game to be withholding of such attention. I guess it made it more special when i finally got it, but it took SO much work to get it. (i mean SO much work, a fight and everything kind of work!--it was sour by the time i got it-- in the end that was so not worth it, and i'd never go out with a guy like that again!)

By the same token, i'm human, i AM heaven sent, but gosh! so is my man, (we ALL are) but that doesnt mean that i'm materialistic or too high maintenance either. Maintenance yes, high maintenance... ask my bf.

Is it really so difficult for us to treat each other as Homo sapiens? Why does anybody need the ridiculous title of god or goddess?

If I had a gf I could spoil without it going to her head I'd love it...When you love someone it's a lot of fun to lavish attention on them.

Well said, turtle o!!! :cool: :nice:

As a women who thrives, (literally thrives, glows, grows) under the attention, affection, and love from her man, i would disagree about the SMIDGEN part. I dated a guy who wouldnt dole out compliments, who wouldnt use his words to explain how he felt about me, wouldnt give me feedback that enjoyed my way, and it used to wreak havoc with me. It's like playing a big game to be withholding of such attention. I guess it made it more special when i finally got it, but it took SO much work to get it. (i mean SO much work, a fight and everything kind of work!--it was sour by the time i got it-- in the end that was so not worth it, and i'd never go out with a guy like that again!)

My intent about the comment is that "worship" if you will, should be done in moderation. It should never be freely given; like many things it should be earned. By worship, i mean going waaayy above and beyond normal expectations to the point of basically royal treatment. Sounds like your ex took it to the opposite extreme, which is pretty bone headed.

In my experience, I've found that attention hogs will do anything for it. I find that no better than any other common addiction, and it controls their behavior regardless of morality. Of course, this may not apply to you turtle, im just making a generalized statement. I'm sure you deserve all the attention you get ;)

Me? Hell no.

It's more of a generalization. Women on the whole receive more without having to pay for it than men do.

i hate that generalization.

I insist on paying for stuff :shrug:

the kind of jerk that lets a female slide because of her "accoutrements" -
1)isn't going to like a woman with self respect that can do anything real
2) probably won't last long in the business world anyway

I insist on paying for stuff :shrug:

until it's a solid relationship that I feel might go somewhere I pay for half.

which has really hurt some guys. :hmm:

why do you guys take it as an insult if we don't want to let you pay? I don't get it.

until it's a solid relationship that I feel might go somewhere I pay for half.

which has really hurt some guys. :hmm:

why do you guys take it as an insult if we don't want to let you pay? I don't get it.

We want to show you you're special to us.

yeah, but ... okay I can't speak for all girls but that drives me away personally. At least at first.

You're a selfless altruistic non naughty person. (ok,youre still somehow naughty :rolleyes:)

i hate that generalization.

But do you deny that, as a generalization, it's true?

Personally, I hate being treated like a "goddess." Not that it happens all the time, but I've known a few guys who would immediately put a girl on a pedestal and despite all kinds of proof of humanity, keep her there. It's annoying as hell. I'd never date a guy like that again. Ugh.

Now, I'm not saying I don't enjoy attention. But I like to feel like, I dunno, like I've done something to earn it? Eh, yo no se. Anyway, I enjoy doing the lavishing myself. :p

We want to show you you're special to us.

And they don't want to necessarily be special to us. Besides, doing things to show how special they are often puts them on a pedestal and for many young women that is not a good place to be and they cannot handle it. Then there are the ones who simply take it for granted. Either way they want a partner, not a devotee in most cases.

And they don't want to necessarily be special to us. Besides, doing things to show how special they are often puts them on a pedestal and for many young women that is not a good place to be and they cannot handle it. Then there are the ones who simply take it for granted. Either way they want a partner, not a devotee in most cases.

I'm not interested in a woman who doesn't want love-I don't care if there are millions of them...

But do you deny that, as a generalization, it's true?

lol, no I don't deny it. I was going to put, that sterotype is so not true :mad: but then I thought about it, and you're right. I do hate it though. It drives me nuts when people assume that since I'm a chic I'll suck any guy I date dry on purpose.

Personally, I hate being treated like a "goddess." Not that it happens all the time, but I've known a few guys who would immediately put a girl on a pedestal and despite all kinds of proof of humanity, keep her there. It's annoying as hell. I'd never date a guy like that again. Ugh.

Now, I'm not saying I don't enjoy attention. But I like to feel like, I dunno, like I've done something to earn it? Eh, yo no se. Anyway, I enjoy doing the lavishing myself. :p

Yeah, I agree. We need our space, that's part of it.

I see them as walking credit card debt.

:|

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Damn it Monster: I WILL BE MORE JADED THAN YOU!!!

I'm not interested in a woman who doesn't want love-I don't care if there are millions of them...

This level of rejection explains much...........perhaps even your psychotic avatars......

This level of rejection explains much...........perhaps even your psychotic avatars......

Always criticizing my avatars!!! The present one as you can see is a classic tudor house with a white picket fence-how you gonna make something crazy out of that?

Always criticizing my avatars!!! The present one as you can see is a classic tudor house with a white picket fence-how you gonna make something crazy out of that?

Hang in there Mike, I'm sending nurse Kellet over to give you your injection.

Hang in there Mike, I'm sending nurse Kellet over to give you your injection.

Okay,Sam-I feel it's time we broke it to you-I'm the doctor-YOU're the patient...

Okay,Sam-I feel it's time we broke it to you-I'm the doctor-YOU're the patient...

Yep, that's what they all begin to say...............

could someone please get the tranquilizer gun!
The poor man's gonna hurt himself with Paintbrush!

Mike, just let's slip this nice comfy new jacket on..........

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.net/images/PsyRollerBucklewithLoopsBack.JPG

I refuse to be in a relationship with a guy who has "she's an angel/goddess" syndrome. Thankfully, it rarely has come up because I filter such people out by throwing certain vibes.

Yep, that's what they all begin to say...............

could someone please get the tranquilizer gun!
The poor man's gonna hurt himself with Paintbrush!

Mike, just let's slip this nice comfy new jacket on..........

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.net/images/PsyRollerBucklewithLoopsBack.JPG

You really need to learn to leave your toys in the basement,Sam...

I don't treat them that way, I just see them that way.

I couldn't invest that much time into a girl. There are so many at one time it would be impossible.

Anyways, where's Justin at Zach?