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Criminal
05-20-2002, 01:45 AM
I was at a local museum this weekend and there was an exhibit on 1930's american poster art and I found the entire thing fascinating. In the 1930's the United States were in the depths of the Great Depression. After the election of Franklin Roosevelt, the New Deal was instituted. The New Deal was perhaps the greatest social experiment ever instituted in the US. It was at this time that american leftism became a powerful force in public life. The Communist Party of the US, while very much underground was very active at this time, operating in cryptic organizations. Labor unions struggled for recognition and a great many social causes were addressed. While Roosevelt and his supporters tried to distance themselves from overt communism or socialism, they undoubtedly had some interest in pursuing some socialist goals.

Internationally the Roosevelt administration continued the US's existing policy of neutrality. They did recognize the Soviet Union for the first time and authorized the first trade treaties with that nation, sending industrialist Armand Hammer as the first US ambassidor to the USSR.

During that period the WPA (Works Progress Administration) began, putting thousands of unemployed men to work. Another orginization, the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) was institutied along millitary lines employing young men. CCC was put to work in national parks and forests. They wore millitary style uniforms and were housed in barracks. It was during this period that such projects as the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) and the Boulder Dam (now the Hoover Dam) were completed.

During this period artists and writers were put to work. The poster art did much to honor and glorify the government programs that existed in this era. Odly enough much of this art was extremely beutiful showed romanticised working people in ways similar to the art of soviet realism. In some posters farm workers, both men and women were shown standing at attention in a grain field gazing into the sky. Such scenes were of course ridiculous but they were used to sell an idea: that the new deal was established for the betterment of all working people.

At this time many writers were put on the goverment payroll. Some rather interesting experiments were the National Folklore Project which saw writers interview rural americans and record stories. One very interesting project was the various state travel guides written by the Federal Writers Project. Many of these travel guides can still be found in public libraries in cities and towns throughout the US. They represent the greatest effort to show to ordinary americans the various resources in all states of the union.

During the 30s american idealists were first organized to fight fascism abroad. The Spanish Civil War became a popular cause for many idealists. A communist sponsered group called the Abraham Lincoln Battalian was organized to fight against Franco. This group, though organized by the communist consisted of leftists and liberals of all stripes.

In closing I have found that the era of the 30's produced america's first encounter with social realism. While it was popular to condemn this government imposed enthusism during the post war McCarthy era, I am inclined to believe that there was a certain innocence to the leftism of this era. The leftists of the 30's believed that they were serving in a sort of great crusade. They saw the collapse of the Stock Markett as proofe of the failure of capitalism. Few of these idealists knew the unknown story of Soviet Russia, the icey Gulags, the great purges and the corruption of Stalin's inner circle. For many, it was not until the 1956 Revolt in Hungary that the horrors of Soviet Communism were truely realized.

Lowtide
05-21-2002, 10:51 AM
I don't think anyone today can imagine just how chaotic an event like the great depression was.

My Great-Grandmother grew up on a farm in oklahoma and was part of the Okie migration to the west. What little food they could grow was destroyed by the government (Hoover administration) in an effort to bring prices up to "help" farmers. They had to stand and watch these government agents destroy their only means of sustaining themselves in an effort to "help" them.

My grandmother was the 2nd oldest of 13 children- and a girl- so she was married and had her first child at the age of 13. She was encouraged to leave and get married for the sake of the family.

Imagine 25% unemployment, if you have a job-- you probably took a tremendous paycut. Imagine massive mortgage forclosures, and the rich greedily trying to hang on to what they have while the poor fight eachother just for food.

We can't, but we should always remember.

Criminal
05-23-2002, 07:11 PM
I hear ya Low Tide. Both my parents grew up in that era. My dad grew up on a farm in Montana and lost his father at an early age. He remembered nothing from his early years but hard work. My mom remembers how all the hobos would come to her house looking for work. Her mother did put them to work doing household chores. She would then feed them and give them money. My grandmother was known by most people as being a real saint. She thought it was her christian duty to help those in need. I think as hard as the times were, people did a lot to help eachother. As rough as the times were, it was really a time that brought out the best in people.

Powerboss
05-24-2002, 05:09 PM
I think the evidence is pretty clear that FDR and his socialist policys did not do anything except make the situation even worse.

WW2 is what got us out of the depression.

Regarding the social programs....some are necessary and a good thing, however I would like to see more of it spread out and done by the private sector.

Good article though, some very good things were accoplished.

Lowtide
05-25-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Criminal
I hear ya Low Tide. Both my parents grew up in that era. My dad grew up on a farm in Montana and lost his father at an early age. He remembered nothing from his early years but hard work. My mom remembers how all the hobos would come to her house looking for work. Her mother did put them to work doing household chores. She would then feed them and give them money. My grandmother was known by most people as being a real saint. She thought it was her christian duty to help those in need. I think as hard as the times were, people did a lot to help eachother. As rough as the times were, it was really a time that brought out the best in people.

How interesting... my grandfather came from Montana also. A place called "Whitefish".

Criminal
05-26-2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Lowtide


How interesting... my grandfather came from Montana also. A place called "Whitefish".
My dad is from Lewistown (later made famous by the Freemen Militia) and moved to Helena where his father worked as a Photographer. His parents had a homestead near Lewistown. He also lived in Wilbur, a tiny place in the mountains near Lincoln. I did visit all these places. I think I like Helena the best.

Manu
05-31-2002, 10:56 AM
Look at how jumpy/worried we ae with a 5.5% unemployment rate and minimal drop off in the market, Lowtide, you're right, we have no idea what that would be like.

Criminal
06-01-2002, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Manu
Look at how jumpy/worried we ae with a 5.5% unemployment rate and minimal drop off in the market, Lowtide, you're right, we have no idea what that would be like.
Remember thought that people will always find ways of surviving even the hardest of times. In the 30's many folks were out of work but back then people went to their extended families for support. In many developing nations, the extended family is essential for survival. It is common in Africa, asia or latin america for entire generations to live in one house. Family connections are often a source of wealth.

Lowtide
06-02-2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Criminal

Remember thought that people will always find ways of surviving even the hardest of times. In the 30's many folks were out of work but back then people went to their extended families for support. In many developing nations, the extended family is essential for survival. It is common in Africa, asia or latin america for entire generations to live in one house. Family connections are often a source of wealth.

We live in different times now, people are much more materialistic now. The transition would probably be a lot more difficult for us than it was for people in the 30's and 40's who were used to living in multi-generational homes.

I still remember the early 90's and what a spike in GTA's and violent crimes that we had when the economy was in recession back then- remember? Car jackings and the like.:eek:

I wonder if racial tension would play more of a role in a 21st century "Great Depression".

Manu
06-03-2002, 10:45 AM
Criminal-

You must be an idealist at heart. :-)

The textended family is WEAK in this country. It woudl be nice if it was stronger, but come on, where else are old people tossed into old folks homes until they die? Unless the elderly needs persistent care that cannot be given, or wishes to remain 'independent' I found that just deplorable...

Criminal
06-05-2002, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by Manu
Criminal-

You must be an idealist at heart. :-)

The textended family is WEAK in this country. It woudl be nice if it was stronger, but come on, where else are old people tossed into old folks homes until they die? Unless the elderly needs persistent care that cannot be given, or wishes to remain 'independent' I found that just deplorable...
I suppose I can be. I do know that necessity does breed invention. I know many people from eastern europe, Russia, China, India, the middle east and so on and I find that they have a real problem understanding the hedonistic, throw away culture that exists in the US. In much of the world old people are not "discarded". I have a female friend who worked as a caregiver for old people. She is from eastern europe. She quit that job because it broke her heart to see how families treat their parents. Her last assignment was for this old guy. He was very generous with her and liked her a lot. Well they could not afford to keep her there any more but she still came anyway because she still concidered her a friend. The family became angry because she continued to see him. They accused her of steeling and threatened to report her to the police. It was a big shock to her. The family did not care about the old man, they just left him in his house and sent an alcoholic lady who lived next door to watch him. This lady did not clean his house or anything. When my friend last saw the guy he was dirty and in bad condition. It made her so angry. It made me mad too. I think this would probibly be better posted in the Whine Celler but I couldnt help but to think about it.

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