I don't go into Aliens or the Joos territory, so let's keep it serious.

Essentially, I believe we live in an illuminati matrix where all of our major institutions have been hijacked, subverted, and contrived, where they use the Hegelian Dialectic to control us.

'They' would be our ruling elite, and their ultimate goal is One World Government.

My specialty is current events, government policies, and cultural trends.

I look forward to your questions :cooldance

:hi:

My specialty is current events, government policies, and cultural trends.

And therein lies your problem. The word CURRENT is the giveaway that an utter lack of historical perspective makes you unaware that NOW isn't really any different than any OTHER era in human history re politics and world events.

There is NO "secret cabal" running the world.

In FACT, human nature PREVENTS such a thing.

And therein lies your problem. The word CURRENT is the giveaway that an utter lack of historical perspective makes you unaware that NOW isn't really any different than any OTHER era in human history re politics and world events.

There is NO "secret cabal" running the world.

In FACT, human nature PREVENTS such a thing.hold on there, pardner :)

There are several things that woke up me up to a 'higher agenda', but first we must start with a few premises.

1) government exists for the good of itself, and not for the people.

2) very rarely to never is a political action not contrived or accidental.


Let's start with the big one called the so-called 'War on Terrorism'. I'm sure people before me have belaboured the point of 9-11 and how it plays into the hands of the neo-cons. It can be argued that it was planned, and maybe it cannot. But the 'conspiracy' doesn't rest on this alone.

The modus operandi of our ruling elite is that they control conflict, through the aforementioned Hegelian Dialectic. The Hegelian Dialectic is a process whereby 'history' can be explained through the dialogue of antagonistic forces, known as the 'thesis' and the 'anti-thesis'. Kind of like two opposing sports teams playing against eachother. The result of their 'dialogue' or more commonly, conflict, is what we call the 'synthesis' or the result.

For example, during WWII we had our 'thesis' in the form of the aggressive Nazis who attracted those opposed to Communism, and then we had our 'anti-thesis' in the form of the Soviet Union who attracted those against 'capitalism' and private property. The 'dialogue' was a World War, and 'synthesis' was the United Nations.

Now, imagine for a moment, if you had a hidden hand that could contrive both, or at least one of the sides, and in essense, control the synthesis? This is not as sophisticated or complicated as it sounds.

A business owner might be interested in building an office tower and so he'll accept bids from contractors to have the job done as cheaply as possible. But what if he sets up a 'silent' or 'invisible' bidder that he himself controls to go against the contractors? This happens all the time, and by playing the 'anti-thesis' (his invisible bidder) against the 'thesis' (actual contractors), he has controlled the synthesis and achieves a lower price as the result. George Orwell recognized this, and told us to recognize that "the reaction is the action."

Something similar happens when you see a Don King fight where he controls both fighters in a match. Or a protection racket where our 'protector' is both good guy and bad guy.

I will go more into depth, but I think people should get through this primer first http://smiliesftw.com/!/happysad.gif

1) government exists for the good of itself, and not for the people

The only thing powerful and effecient enough to defeat a government which exists for itself is another government.

very rarely to never is a political action not contrived or accidental

aren't those opposites

For example, during WWII we had our 'thesis' in the form of the aggressive Nazis who attracted those opposed to Communism, and then we had our 'anti-thesis' in the form of the Soviet Union who attracted those against 'capitalism' and private property

But the Soviets and Nazis cooperated until late 1940, then capitalist countries became supporters of the communists to save them from the fascists.
And the Nazi's who for the systematic elimination of minorities in the short term worked with the Japanese who were fine with it

It's not remotely near that simple

Our Ruling Elite have a goal, and work backwards to achieve it.

Now that we know how that works, let's address the question at hand.

Today, the United Kingdom claims to be a partner in the 'War Against Terrorism' and yet their capitol city is colloquially known as 'Londonistan', not simply because of its large immigrant Islamic population, but according to Wikipedia, has been willfully and systematically been giving asylum to known terrorists, and subsidizing their livelihood. How did such a strange thing come to pass? Is this more government 'ineptitude'? Or is it 'liberal' misguided humanitarianism?

They speak out of both sides of their mouths, at once claiming that civil liberties must be capitulated, and more government intrusion must be accepted, and yet protests against mass and dangerous immigration, especially in light of 9/11, or the London Bombings, or even the Paris riots, is shouted down as 'racist' and 'xenophobic' from the very same powers that be.

So what exactly is there agenda? A 'rainbow society', or a safe one? As they control both sides of the debate, the answer is neither. Both their policies contradict eachother, but we have to remember that even though they sponsored both the Bolshevik Revolution, and the Nazis, ultimately neither side was allowed to succeed. They set up implaccable enemies, and the inevitable result was a precursor to World Government (United Nations) to put an end to all (contrived) conflicts but also freedom.

Today, London is a city of over 4 million cameras, and now they talk about introducing a National ID card. I think it's glaringly obvious, that all along while they pretended to not know the dangers of Islamic radicalism (which I believe they themselves sponsor), while singing the praises of 'diversity', they were intending to build a security grid across, and ultimately, a Police State. The very same trend can be noted in the United States where for decades illegal immigration was not only ignored, but actively encouraged, and protests to this were heretically 'racist'. And now, lo and behold, Chertoff suddenly says he wants to deport illegals. Of course, to accomplish this feat, we would all need a National ID card to sort between friend and foe. :o

The 'synthesis' is their goal, and from there they set up the 'thesis' and 'anti-thesis'. In the course of history, the synthesis usually becomes the next thesis and like dominoes the process continues all over again, until the point where there is nothing that opposes it and it marks the 'end of history', but more formally called the Absolute Idea.

In the context of thread, the Absolute Idea is ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The only thing powerful and effecient enough to defeat a government which exists for itself is another government.trading one tyranny for another? that's becoming old hat.
aren't those oppositesno :o
But the Soviets and Nazis cooperated until late 1940, then capitalist countries became supporters of the communists to save them from the fascists.
And the Nazi's who for the systematic elimination of minorities in the short term worked with the Japanese who were fine with it

It's not remotely near that simpleas I explained, the synthesis will become the new thesis.

In this case, a short term co-operation that was mutually beneficial, but did not last. :o

even though they sponsored both the Bolshevik Revolution, and the Nazis

I think your talking about the conspiracy rather British government policy.

Also, the British were opposed to the Bolshiviks and made a brief attempt at an intervention against them when it was underway. They only supported them against the Nazis stopping as soon as possible.

until the point where there is nothing that opposes it and it marks the 'end of history',

Don't you support such an ideal, where conflicts of opposites are no longer necessary?

In this case, a short term co-operation that was mutually beneficial, but did not last

Isn't that what you would expect if they were acting independently and not part of a grand plan?

Something from thumpmeister that I agree with. Good job.

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A lot of flaws in your premises, "pardner"...

There are several things that woke up me up to a 'higher agenda', but first we must start with a few premises.

First flaw. Small groups can have "higher agendas" for a time, but they are neither of lasting quality, nor solidly agreed upon even while they are in action.

1) government exists for the good of itself, and not for the people.

Second flaw. This has ALWAYS been true. It is the people who must FORCE gov't to have a virtuous aspect.

2) very rarely to never is a political action not contrived or accidental.

Third flaw, governmental action is almost always (especially in a democracy) reactionary to current events. Meaning, there is rarely long term thought or deep "behind the scenes" machinations.


Let's start with the big one called the so-called 'War on Terrorism'. I'm sure people before me have belaboured the point of 9-11 and how it plays into the hands of the neo-cons. It can be argued that it was planned, and maybe it cannot. But the 'conspiracy' doesn't rest on this alone.

Flaw four. The supposed "neo-cos" don't really exist. And their ideas came into focus BECAUSE of 9/11. It wasn't the other way around.

The modus operandi of our ruling elite is that they control conflict, through the aforementioned Hegelian Dialectic. The Hegelian Dialectic is a process whereby 'history' can be explained through the dialogue of antagonistic forces, known as the 'thesis' and the 'anti-thesis'. Kind of like two opposing sports teams playing against eachother. The result of their 'dialogue' or more commonly, conflict, is what we call the 'synthesis' or the result.

Pseudo intellectual clap trap.

Pseudo intellectual clap trap.Now, imagine for a moment, if you had a hidden hand that could contrive both, or at least one of the sides, and in essense, control the synthesis? This is not as sophisticated or complicated as it sounds.

Yeah, and the lack helicopters are on their way for you!

Our Ruling Elite have a goal, and work backwards to achieve it.

Now that we know how that works, let's address the question at hand.

Ha, ha. We "know" nothing other than what you assert as truth!

Your whole exposition on "Londonistan" is a perfect example of the LACK of a unified plan. So you use this "ineptitude" or disorganization of thought and action and magically discern from it that it MUST, therefore, be controlled with perfect precision by an unseen hand.

History is FILLED to the brim with flawed human interactions that produce less than desired and wholly unexpected results. The Great Man theory is the right one. That a single great man can come along and ride the crest of public opinion to change the world is 100% true. The great conspiracy theory idea is absurd and impossible to believe when contrasted with human nature.

Can't you see that you are foolish and easily led by wild eyed conspiracy theorists who employ 20/20 hindsight and connect dots that do not exist to prove their points?

How many books have they sold you?

Did I mention that aliens built the Brooklyn Bridge and I happen to own a percentage of it? Wanna buy it from me? Really, really cheap?

I guess we will find out soon enough . I could see it several ways . We know for sure that no russian or chinese is going to blow themselves up, they ain't that stupid or religious. And so far no blacks have been terrorist either even the ones recruited from prison . They aren't that stupid either . Only suicide kamicazis were muslems and Japanese . And I bet japanese were shot down over the targets by others . I wonder why osama isn't interested in 72 virgins ? He was a ho-hopper before he got religian .

I think Thump needs to sit down with a history book and contemplate Occam's razor

I think your talking about the conspiracy rather British government policy.

Also, the British were opposed to the Bolshiviks and made a brief attempt at an intervention against them when it was underway. They only supported them against the Nazis stopping as soon as possible.Hitler was an admitted Anglo-Phile and even made the statement that he wished he was born British, and that they shared a destiny as 'Aryan brothers'. In our history books they tell us that hundreds of thousands of British troops were rescued at the "Miracle of Dunkirk" when the Nazi War Machine suddenly and inexplicably halted their progress on the retreating army for THREE DAYS, while they all gathered at the port city and merchant ships rescued them.

Is this a believeable version of history, or was it in fact an amazing peace overture by Hitler to the English as claimed by some historians? This is not excuse his ideology of course, but only to point out that he didn't want World War. So what compells the British to act otherwise?

Similiarly, why were Allied Bombers not allowed to bomb IG Farben chemical plants, or Ford Munitions factories in Munich?

When one realizes that there is a higher agenda than even winning during a war, then one realizes that the world is not polarized by sovereign nations and that there is a hidden hand that moves things.

Similarily, why are American soldiers in Iraq being court martialed for 'stealing' military equipment that they find on the ground on frontline and use against the enemy? Why are their hands being tied in many other ways as well, like not having the proper equipment?

How were images of Abhu Graib accidently uploaded onto the internet for the world to see? What about telling us the Koran is being flushed down the toilet? Why are their torture exploits being so widely reported?

Just where do the insurgents endless supply of weapons from? Is the US working against itself, and inviting more war against itself like Britain once did? Or is the US being controlled by another force?

As I said earlier, our history is shaped by the Hegelian Dialectic. War is the most traumatic thing that can be wrought on humanity, and the most effective tool for change, which the Ruling Elite use to full effect. The only way they can make us give up our sovereignty, our identities, our faith, our pillars against the tyranny of One Worldism (or NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, as written on the American dollar bill) is to convince us that we need their rule, instead of God's. http://smiliesftw.com/!/happysad.gifDon't you support such an ideal, where conflicts of opposites are no longer necessary?That's simply the pretext they give to justify their tyranny. And to keep us in a state of submission, we will always have conflict. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. :o

I think Thump needs to sit down with a history book and contemplate Occam's razor

I think he has done exactly that.

A lot of flaws in your premises, "pardner"...



First flaw. Small groups can have "higher agendas" for a time, but they are neither of lasting quality, nor solidly agreed upon even while they are in action.you make it sound like a conspiracy it outside the realm of possibility. That's kinda silly :p
Second flaw. This has ALWAYS been true. It is the people who must FORCE gov't to have a virtuous aspect.How is it a flaw if we both agree it to be true :o
Third flaw, governmental action is almost always (especially in a democracy) reactionary to current events. Meaning, there is rarely long term thought or deep "behind the scenes" machinations.Again, we're both in agreement..
Flaw four. The supposed "neo-cos" don't really exist. And their ideas came into focus BECAUSE of 9/11. It wasn't the other way around.yeah, it just all fell into their lap..
Pseudo intellectual clap trap.the same 'clap trap' that makes you spin your wheels in the controlled conflict known as Left-Right politics.Yeah, and the lack helicopters are on their way for you!http://smiliesftw.com/!/hsdance.gif

don't let them get me
Ha, ha. We "know" nothing other than what you assert as truth!

Your whole exposition on "Londonistan" is a perfect example of the LACK of a unified plan. So you use this "ineptitude" or disorganization of thought and action and magically discern from it that it MUST, therefore, be controlled with perfect precision by an unseen hand.

History is FILLED to the brim with flawed human interactions that produce less than desired and wholly unexpected results. The Great Man theory is the right one. That a single great man can come along and ride the crest of public opinion to change the world is 100% true. The great conspiracy theory idea is absurd and impossible to believe when contrasted with human nature.

Can't you see that you are foolish and easily led by wild eyed conspiracy theorists who employ 20/20 hindsight and connect dots that do not exist to prove their points?

How many books have they sold you?

Did I mention that aliens built the Brooklyn Bridge and I happen to own a percentage of it? Wanna buy it from me? Really, really cheap?you CIA spooks really need to get a life :)

I think he has done exactly that.do you have a question, jack :)

Similiarly, why were Allied Bombers not allowed to bomb IG Farben chemical plants, or Ford Munitions factories in Munich?

Hitler refrained from the use of Chemical weapons so it was irrelevant

Perpetual war for perpetual peace.

Care to explain that?

like How to respond to the idea that liberal government might be preferable to continuous warfare for the average person?

Hitler refrained from the use of Chemical weapons so it was irrelevantZyklon B?Care to explain that?

like How to respond to the idea that liberal government might be preferable to continuous warfare for the average person?I'm not a liberal. You have to shake this whole Left-Right thing. It's WWF. It's theatrical. The true paradigm is freedom versus globalism.

I meant the perpetual war for perpetual peace part

Hitler was a filthy pig and anyone who defends him is the same ,imo .

Even if the demon only murdered and tortured thousands [ which no one can deny ] or millions like I believe, he is still pure evil . And if people don't like jews selling smut don't buy it . I don't like filth peddlers either, but then it's not the peddlers who who keep biz going, it's the hypocrits and their kids who buy it . Just another form of 'victims' .

I meant the perpetual war for perpetual peace partthe illuminati wrote the book on 'divide and conquer' or what modern Marxists call class warfare. They do this at all levels of society. The only thing that justifies their Tyranny are the contrived wars and the idea that we would kill eachother without them. They promise us 'peace', but only war can sustain their existence.

Similiarly, why were Allied Bombers not allowed to bomb IG Farben chemical plants, or Ford Munitions factories in Munich?



Since Ford was a notorious anti-Semite, it is unlikely your invisible hand is a cartel of "Jew bankers"

In 1940 Graeme K. Howard, Vice President of General Motors, published America and a New World Order, in which he advised that America give full cooperation to the Nazi regime. In his book he blames FDR for causing the war in Europe and goes on to say that the fascists should be supported as the better alternative to the spread of Communism

Its worth noting that both GM and Ford sought damage from the US govt for damage done to their plants by US bombs and GM actually received a settlement of $32 million !

It sounds like the real evil is fascist leaning international corporations

Since Ford was a notorious anti-Semite, it is unlikely your invisible hand is a cartel of "Jew bankers"

In 1940 Graeme K. Howard, Vice President of General Motors, published America and a New World Order, in which he advised that America give full cooperation to the Nazi regime. In his book he blames FDR for causing the war in Europe and goes on to say that the fascists should be supported as the better alternative to the spread of Communism

Its worth noting that both GM and Ford sought damage from the US govt for damage done to their plants by US bombs and GM actually received a settlement of $32 million !

It sounds like the real evil is fascist leaning international corporationsI never blamed the Jews for running the chit.

But this just goes toward my point that the various sides were contrived to fight eachother.

Oh I forgot , your an illuminati-grand-unified-conspiracy-theorist kinda guy

So is it the rosicrution-sufist-freemasons or the tantric-gnost-knight templars that are calling the shots these days ???

Oh I forgot , your an illuminati-grand-unified-conspiracy-theorist kinda guy

So is it the rosicrution-sufist-freemasons or the tantric-gnost-knight templars that are calling the shots these days ???Who they are is not important as knowing what their methods are, and so I don't invest much time in studying so-called 'bloodlines' or the like, but suffice to say their power base is in Western Europe, and more specifically the City of London.

It's generally accepted that they are the Central Bankers and Industrial Tycoons whose fortunes are never published by Forbes, which would include most prominently the Rothschild's and the Rockefeller's.

The Bible tells us that Satan is the Prince of this World. I imagine that these people are empowered by him. Through this 'New World Order', they are creating their Kingdom on Earth, just as Nimrod and other evil tryants tried to do in the past. This is their world, and their heaven. However, we don't have to fear because Jesus has overcome the world, and we can find new life through Him.

I see ... very intresting

So how does your average Illuminati-Central-Banking-Rothschild-Londonian-Industrialist profit through multi-culteralism ?

I see ... very intresting

So how does your average Illuminati-Central-Banking-Rothschild-Londonian-Industrialist profit through multi-culteralism ?multi-cult fits into the concept of class warfare and One Worldism.

As can be seen, they have almost completely transformed France into Yugoslavia, and all they really need is a financial crash (which they will contrive at the right time) for the fecal matter to REALLY hit the fan, when your 'disenfranchised youth' are not only jobless, but more importantly, no longer subsidized by the state.

Secondly, identity towards family, nation, race, religion, etc. are our pillars against Tyranny. Remember in Braveheart when Scottish brides were taken by English lords on their wedding night to destroy their ethnic heritage to bring them into the greater 'British' fold? Same dealio. The ruling elite have sought to subvert and destroy these institutions in the name of 'progress'.

Right now they seem to really have a bone to pick with the strength of Western Civilization, and so the many-pronged attack on family (feminism), race (third world mass migration), and religion (humanism), fits in perfectly. All other peoples have been thoroughly dominated, but the West is their prize.

Fascinating

So the Satanist-Londonian-Rothschilds-Industrialist-Bankers will become gazillionaires when the west is conquered by the triple-evils of soccer moms, darkies living amongst whites and humanism ?

What will we do thump ? Is another braveheart needed to go slay the Illuminati ?

Fascinating

So the Satanist-Londonian-Rothschilds-Industrialist-Bankers will become gazillionaires when the west is conquered by the triple-evils of soccer moms, darkies living amongst whites and humanism ?

What will we do thump ? Is another braveheart needed to go slay the Illuminati ?I'm waiting for jebus to come back

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No doubt he'll be here any day

So is Jesus going to slay the evil-rothschilds-londonian-illuminati with the horse-like locusts ? or the 6-winged beasts ?

No doubt he'll be here any day

So is Jesus going to slay the evil-rothschilds-londonian-illuminati with the horse-like locusts ? or the 6-winged beasts ?

Maybe read your Bible and find out ? You sure can't argue that something 'BIG ' is about to happen to this warring planet with the waves roaring and the people all full of hate,fear,loneliness and social ,emotional and physical desease .

I would hope to see the Messiah come and change things for the sake of all the suffering humans on this planet . Why do the children have to keep suffering from mans greed ,selfishness and lust ? Man has proven he can't manage things.

Is Michael Moore involved in this illuminati thing?

Maybe read your Bible and find out ? You sure can't argue that something 'BIG ' is about to happen to this warring planet with the waves roaring and the people all full of hate,fear,loneliness and social ,emotional and physical desease .


The same could be said 500 years ago...people seem to need a perpetual feeling of doom.

The same could be said 500 years ago...people seem to need a perpetual feeling of doom.

This is true . But if thats what they need they sure have tat need filled today . I have been lucky enough to been shown there is a spiritual realm , most haven't . It's not fair . If not for this I would probly be agnostic . I just hope that peace comes to this earth soon .

QUIT it, JavaMan.

Yer ,makin him look like a fool!

On second thought, keep it up. I can't bring myself to waste the time!!
Ha, ha, ha.

The same could be said 500 years ago...people seem to need a perpetual feeling of doom.Not since 1948 have the Jewish people had a homeland for 2700, there has never been a mechanism for a global government such as we have today (world court, Earth Charter, 'Ark of hope', United Nations, etc), nor such a move towards global currencies (Euro, 'Amero', and the forthcoming Asian unit) and monetary system (RFID and electronic money, "Mark of the Beast").

These, among other things, fulfill conditions for the End of Days like no other time in our history http://smiliesftw.com/!/ohnoes.gif

Ask a "conspiracy theorist" anything

Are they behind me?

Are they behind me?:hi: .

Not since 1948 have the Jewish people had a homeland for 2700, there has never been a mechanism for a global government such as we have today (world court, Earth Charter, 'Ark of hope', United Nations, etc), nor such a move towards global currencies (Euro, 'Amero', and the forthcoming Asian unit) and monetary system (RFID and electronic money, "Mark of the Beast").

These, among other things, fulfill conditions for the End of Days like no other time in our history http://smiliesftw.com/!/ohnoes.gif

Scary stuff thump

where is it prophesied that global organizations and electronic money are signs of the 'end times' ??

If the world is ending soon, why shouldnt we all just max-out the old visa cards then ?

Scary stuff thump

where is it prophesied that global organizations and electronic money are signs of the 'end times' ??


Prophecies on global organizations are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Electronic money, while not specifically called such, can be inferred from Revelation, where all of mankind is forbidden to buy or sell without the appropriate loyalty mark. The current and near future state of RFID chips make it very possible that cash could soon be a thing of the past and all financial transactions would be electronic. It would be then be a simple thing for a dictator to enforce loyalty by denying access to markets for those without the appropriately coded chip.


If the world is ending soon, why shouldnt we all just max-out the old visa cards then ?

Because you don't know how soon "soon" is. Compared to the thousands of years that have passed since the prophecies were written, 50 years is "soon", whereas to us it may be long enough for us to die bankrupt.

People have been waiting for the end since time began...you have it wrong...don't live for the end...live for today...

If these prophets could see the distant future, why the cryptic writing, symbolism and the alleged codes in revelations ?

Is Michael Moore involved in this illuminati thing?His purpose is to condition the American people to acquiesce to world government.

The globalists fund both sides of the war, pitting equally powerful forces against each other until they destroy each other. America is on the warpath with half a dozen countries, and it's no accident that Clinton sold China ICBM's and other weapons technologies. This is no different in the way that Harriman Brown, or Ford was building munitions for the Nazis.

9-11 was a pathetically carried out scam that has been EASILY exposed. So to the war in Iraq has been exposed for the complete SHAM it was.

The fat man Moore made a cut and paste collection of news reports and made 180 million dollars from Farhenight 9-11.

Abu Ghareb was a controlled release. What else could it be, when ‘imbedded’ reporters must have they work vetted by the military first?

Bush is MEANT to be caught lying!

He is a patsy!

A lot of people are beginning to accept the fact that the Neo-Cons are acting out the plans of PNAC, and think that if there must be a world government, better to be the hammer than the nail, right???

But history is repeating itself. America is now Nazi Germany, and it in the final act, its meant to be a menace and an evil empire, and will be destroyed by the benevolent UN.

He WORKS for the bosses in the U.K and Europe.

The Neo-Con movement (actually, Stalinist/Leninist/Trotskyites, even Chomsky laughs at "conservative" being in their lexicon) have done their business.

Powel, Armitage, Wolfowitz...they've done their bit and have now taken up plumb positions in the Internationalist arm of the NWO movement.

Bush has been left to take the heat of the people.

Only a STRONG U.N supported by the PEOPLE will allow the final act of ENDING the recent experiment in Liberal Democracy to come to fruition.

The people MUST support the U.N or they will fail. That’s the point of WARS.

If these prophets could see the distant future, why the cryptic writing, symbolism and the alleged codes in revelations ?They worked with the vernacular they had :o

thumps

thumps

What NWO is powell, woofleritz and armateze in ? I thought bill would ride hillery to the Un ? At least thats what billy gramm suggested .

What NWO is powell, woofleritz and armateze in ? I thought bill would ride hillery to the Un ? At least thats what billy gramm suggested .The neo-cons and the puppet Bush are designed to make christianity look stupid, and American sovereignty seem reckless and dangerous. They are the 'fascist' arm of the NWO, while the UN and probably the EU as well will act as the new 'allies' used to defeat the evil beast. :o

Thats shocking thump

Did the londonian-rothschild-illuminati-bankers design Bush and the Neocons to look stupid ?

I thought the original neocons were jews, thats pretty remarkable how a few rich dudes can design jewish intellectuals to look like stupid christians, they probably know makeup artists from hollywood ... huh.

Thats shocking thump

Did the londonian-rothschild-illuminati-bankers design Bush and the Neocons to look stupid ?

I thought the original neocons were jews, thats pretty remarkable how a few rich dudes can design jewish intellectuals to look like stupid christians, they probably know makeup artists from hollywood ... huh.you don't believe mehttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/sadsmiley.gif

Dude, NOBODY believes you. You are a nutter screaming in the night.

Now, I wonder how we can get your nurse to stop letting you onto the computer in the day room...

bizzump

They worked with the vernacular they had :o

The vernacular of apocolyptic writing was specifically and intentionally designed to to keep the wrong people from figuring the hidden meaning of the texts. Everyday conversation was nothing like that at all.

To try an predict or interpret today's events on these ancient texts is basically a huge waste of time and energy. The history of those who have predicted the end is one of disppointment.

True Betrade,
for some reason people want to believe those who lived long ago had some ancient intelligent information we don't...the people then were in fact no wiser than us, but made incorrect conclusions, just a as we do today.
I do not understand the fascination with 'end of the world' theories ...I guess I've lived through too many predicted 'last days'.

True Betrade,
for some reason people want to believe those who lived long ago had some ancient intelligent information we don't...the people then were in fact no wiser than us, but made incorrect conclusions, just a as we do today.
I do not understand the fascination with 'end of the world' theories ...I guess I've lived through too many predicted 'last days'.Jehova's Witness?

No Thumper. Just media-promoted garbage that never came to light.

Failed prophecies:

About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.

About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.

About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.

375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.

500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.

992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.

1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.

1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.

1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.

1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.

1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.

1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.

1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.

1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.

1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.

1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.

1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.

1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.

1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.

1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.

1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.

1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.

1843: Joseph Smith (1805-1844), the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice while praying. He wrote:
"I was once praying very ernestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
'Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou are eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.'
I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time."
Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.

1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come on this date.

1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went without incident.

1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." 10

1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12

1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)

1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.

1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower Society (WTS) or its members predicted. Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the "battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.

The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year." 6

The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed.

The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely 6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.
More details on the WTS predictions.

1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.

1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.

1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen in 1940 or 1941. 7

1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.

1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.

1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in 1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'

1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and transferred to heaven by APR-22.

1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.

1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.

1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would happen in 1973.

1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3

1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st century.

1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.

1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.

1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.

1981: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.

Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.

1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world would end in the fall of 1982.

1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align, as seen from earth, but nothing unusual happened.

1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.

1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.
Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana," predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.

1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come within a few years of 1990.


So far ... A perfect record :nice:

( you cant say they did not try)

So far ... A perfect record :nice:

( you cant say they did not try)

A few minor points.

1. You got Hal Lindsey completely wrong. "The Late, Great Planet Earth" did not contain any prediction about Christ's return in 1988. That was another writer (his name escapes me), but Lindsey has made no such precise predictions of Christ's return. He is well aware of my second point.
2. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who says they know when Christ will return is at best fooling themselves and at worst lying. Scripture very clearly shows that no man knows the day or the hour when He will return, and we are to be ready for it at any time. We are given signs that will indicate when it is close, but we can't know exactly when.

1) government exists for the good of itself, and not for the people.- Since when did abstract concepts have intentionality? :|

2) very rarely to never is a political action not contrived or accidental.- I disagree. Back it up, please.

The modus operandi of our ruling elite is that they control conflict, through the aforementioned Hegelian Dialectic. The Hegelian Dialectic is a process whereby 'history' can be explained through the dialogue of antagonistic forces, known as the 'thesis' and the 'anti-thesis'. Kind of like two opposing sports teams playing against eachother. The result of their 'dialogue' or more commonly, conflict, is what we call the 'synthesis' or the result.- Big-assed "this will explain everything!" theories like that is one of the reasons history is seperated from philosophy these days :p

That said, I don't know how Hegel is thought of among historians nowadays.
For example, during WWII we had our 'thesis' in the form of the aggressive Nazis who attracted those opposed to Communism, and then we had our 'anti-thesis' in the form of the Soviet Union who attracted those against 'capitalism' and private property. The 'dialogue' was a World War, and 'synthesis' was the United Nations.- And where and what was liberalism? You can hardly say it didn't play a major role!

Now, imagine for a moment, if you had a hidden hand that could contrive both, or at least one of the sides, and in essense, control the synthesis? This is not as sophisticated or complicated as it sounds.- I suppose it's concievable, yeah - but it'd still be quite amazing. Keeping it a secret would be hard work.

The same could be said 500 years ago...people seem to need a perpetual feeling of doom.


500 years ago we didn't have the means to educate, feed and moralize the earth ! :nonono:

In past couple centruries we have had . But if you teach education , morals that bring most a better life than who will be left to enslave ?

Almost all the worlds suffering comes from the breaking of Gods laws . Adultry and fornication is the main reason so many of worlds poor are born out of wedlock . Just this law alone would stop the insane breeding that adds to the suffering .
Ccorporate greed is under the laws against , lying, stealing and coveting thy neighbors assets .

But if you teach education

Education led to reduced influence of religion and fewer people following these laws as a consequence

morals that bring most a better life

Which? How?

Just this law alone would stop the insane breeding that adds to the suffering .


What about all the people who refuse to obey god's order to be fruitful and multiply?

People have been waiting for the end since time began...you have it wrong...don't live for the end...live for today...

Thats the way all these greedy corporateers think . You know the ones you libs keep cussing !:confused: While you buy their products and live in dept.

God says the borrower [deptor ] is slave to the lender .

Damn pre-pageturner posts :(

edit: also, thumper: it's entirely possible to oppose a one-world government for the real and honest reason (history shows us that too much centralization of power is downright dangerous!), in stead of a contrieved, flowery, propaganda one (i.e. "national identity").

Thats shocking thump

Did the londonian-rothschild-illuminati-bankers design Bush and the Neocons to look stupid ?

I thought the original neocons were jews, thats pretty remarkable how a few rich dudes can design jewish intellectuals to look like stupid christians, they probably know makeup artists from hollywood ... huh.



Hollyhood, pro sports and entertainment are the little elves that keep the machine going and who could forget Santa and his pagan influance ! :eek3:

P&M, you ranting against saint nicholas or coca cola?

True Betrade,
for some reason people want to believe those who lived long ago had some ancient intelligent information we don't...the people then were in fact no wiser than us, but made incorrect conclusions, just a as we do today.
I do not understand the fascination with 'end of the world' theories ...I guess I've lived through too many predicted 'last days'.


It would have been impossible for man to destroy mankind all the other times . So these prophets were predicting the impossible ! Since the atom bomb it is no longer impossible . Also other things hadn't happened to fullfill prophecy yet that had to come first . In this past generation almost all these things came to pass .

Waves roaring like never before , earthquakes ,fires and floods , men turnig themselves over to vile lifestyles , increases in desease epedemics and famines , Wars and rumors of wars ,Increase in false prophets . Families against each other . Men lovers of self instead of lovers of God .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1457385699819054624

http://smiliesftw.com/!/hsdance.gif

Education led to reduced influence of religion and fewer people following these laws as a consequence



Which? How?



What about all the people who refuse to obey god's order to be fruitful and multiply?


Education was not meant to take away parents and Gods rules . This has only beenso in past century . Education was about the fundementals math, reading , sceince history and writting . people learned their values from family and church . great nations were founded under Gods basic laws . Society never had to obey God , but they lived under the laws of [ the Ten Commandments and other society laws ] His Bible . Most of the laws of finance, hygine , and civic rules and duties came from the Bible .

Hollyhood, pro sports and entertainment are the little elves that keep the machine going and who could forget Santa and his pagan influance !

P&M, you ranting against saint nicholas or coca cola?

http://www.ediscountwholesalers.com/tin_signs/bev_coca_cola/CC_1046_LG.jpg

OMG !! its Satan Clause :eek!:







;)

P&M, you ranting against saint nicholas or coca cola?


LOL, BOTH !:nice:

Education was not meant to take away parents and Gods rules . This has only beenso in past century . Education was about the fundementals math, reading , sceince history and writting . people learned their values from family and church . great nations were founded under Gods basic laws . Society never had to obey God , but they lived under the laws of [ the Ten Commandments and other society laws ] His Bible . Most of the laws of finance, hygine , and civic rules and duties came from the Bible .education was also locally controlled, and not a government institution.

http://www.ediscountwholesalers.com/tin_signs/bev_coca_cola/CC_1046_LG.jpg

OMG !! its Satan Clause :eek!:







;)





LO, , SO YOU TOO ARE ON TO THE FAT PAGAN ? :cool:

education was also locally controlled, and not a government institution.


yes and it was this very thing the founders warned of about seperation of church and state . Freedom OF religian , not freedom FROM it .

500 years ago we didn't have the means to educate, feed and moralize the earth ! :nonono:

In past couple centruries we have had . But if you teach education , morals that bring most a better life than who will be left to enslave ?

Almost all the worlds suffering comes from the breaking of Gods laws . Adultry and fornication is the main reason so many of worlds poor are born out of wedlock . Just this law alone would stop the insane breeding that adds to the suffering .
Ccorporate greed is under the laws against , lying, stealing and coveting thy neighbors assets .
Thats the way all these greedy corporateers think . You know the ones you libs keep cussing !:confused: While you buy their products and live in dept.
God says the borrower [deptor ] is slave to the lender .

What the hell does this have to do with End-of-Mankind predictions?
It would have been impossible for man to destroy mankind all the other times . So these prophets were predicting the impossible ! Since the atom bomb it is no longer impossible . Also other things hadn't happened to fullfill prophecy yet that had to come first . In this past generation almost all these things came to pass .
Waves roaring like never before , earthquakes ,fires and floods , men turnig themselves over to vile lifestyles , increases in desease epedemics and famines , Wars and rumors of wars ,Increase in false prophets . Families against each other . Men lovers of self instead of lovers of God .

You typed out a lot of sentences, but don't make a point with any of it.

What the hell does this have to do with End-of-Mankind predictions?


You typed out a lot of sentences, but don't make a point with any of it.

I made the point, you just feel off the tip of it .

Originally posted by Pappy&Me
Freedom OF religian , not freedom FROM it .

One must be free their mind of the taint of religion before they can truly embrace rather than just meekly obey it.

Okay....Paps...ahtewrev oyu sya

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1457385699819054624

http://smiliesftw.com/%21/hsdance.gif- OMG! Bush flashes the sign of the Texas Longhorns and the pope has a Peter's cross etched in to his throne! Who knew these things have been going on behind our back for all this time!!! :eek:

LOL, BOTH !- Well, I won't stop you :D

New topic. Here's a good question:

If a world government with a federal structure like the UN (no less representative of the public than early american federal govs) is evil, are you guys opposed to the existence of the United States rather than separate independant ones?

And if not, large in territory or population would a federation of states have to be to become the evil incarnate you warn against?

Okay....Paps...ahtewrev oyu sya


Can't argue with message , attack the messenger ! :nonono:

- OMG! Bush flashes the sign of the Texas Longhorns and the pope has a Peter's cross etched in to his throne! Who knew these things have been going on behind our back for all this time!!! :eek:someone seems a bit defensive

someone seems a bit defensive- :eek7: How so? You haven't even replied to my first post, and to my second one, all you can muster is this. Why would I be defensive? And more importantly, why are you writing about how I seem, in stead of staying on topic?

I was listeing to late night talk radio and it was scairy . I wonder which conspiricy will get me first ! Guess I'm hooked on panic .

- :eek7: How so? You haven't even replied to my first post, and to my second one, all you can muster is this. Why would I be defensive? And more importantly, why are you writing about how I seem, in stead of staying on topic?http://smiliesftw.com/!/hsughno.gif

I was listeing to late night talk radio and it was scairy . I wonder which conspiricy will get me first ! Guess I'm hooked on panic .we have to remember that the government sponsors many of these conspiracies theories as a means of 'poisoning the well', or discrediting real conspiracies, by introducing things like Aliens or planet X, etc.

we should stick with the biblical (King James) version of events :o