GREAT READ.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

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CA already debunked this story...something along the lines of "the author was related to a republican"

Java Man thoroughly debunked CA. :shrug:

Good grief.

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CA already debunked this story...something along the lines of "the author was related to a republican"

You're wrong, as usual, but don't let that stop you.

The PM article was nothing but a piss poor hit piece, I posted the link that soundly thrashed PM's tabloid journalism.

Here it is again, but I know nobody here will read it, your minds are sealed shut on this issue.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/



Java Man thoroughly debunked CA. :shrug:


LOL, yea, because you agreed with him, I'm not going to get into a 50 page thread again on this issue, I no longer have the patience for people that ignore the obvious and believe everything a corrupt lying government tells them about things which are impossible.

If you want to read more into it just do a search for all the 9-11 threads, there's mountains of information there, they all usually end the same way, some right winger hurling a bunch of insults once they realize that they can't answer any of the glaring oddities and lies surrounding 9-11.

Quite simply, the "evidence" is a number of bogus arguments cooked up by conspiracy paranoids with an agenda. It doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny or simple logic.

You're an excellent debater who's usually right on most issues - it's sad to see you buy into this crap. :(

Quite simply, the "evidence" is a number of bogus arguments cooked up by conspiracy paranoids with an agenda.

Yea right, if you read the link I posted which makes the PM hit piece look like the work of a bitter child you'd see otherwise. when I see mags like PM doing this, it raises more red flags, why do they need to lie and smear if it's so blackand white? Why?

If everybody who questions the official story is just some nutjob advancing an easily de-bunked conspiracy theory then why oh why does a major magazine like PM have to resort to outright lies and attacking nothing but strawmen? Choosing to smear instead of to enlighten? Why do they have to resort to bogus claims to make their point?

And tell me, what "agenda" is it that people have? Do concerned citizens who don't buy into the official story, and that want to get to the bottom of the largest crime ever committed on American soil have no right to do so? Is truth a bad thing? Because that's their only agenda, unlike those in government who operate through secrecy and cover-ups. Tell me, what is the governments agenda when they won't investigate and silence whistleblowers and keep information surrounding 9-11 under secrecy? what is their agenda? What are they hiding?

I'm sure there was a time when anybody who thought those that planned the Northwoods plot should have been investigated too.


It doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny or simple logic.


Yea, like the logic of a thousand coincidences happening on the same day, the impossible becoming possible, and dead hijackers being the first humans in recorded history toever return from the dead.

I'm sorry, but the official story is one of no logic. And it's why many actual scientists round the world since then have spoken out against the official version of events since it is not possible.

I want the truth, and I'm not trusting a government of Bush's, Clintons, Cheney's, Abramoff's, Iraq has WMD's and is going to kill us, torturers, uber secrecy, spying, lying, propagandizing, spinning, killing. But everything we have been told about 9-11 is fact, no investigation necessary:| Never mind the black boxes were found, the FBI says otherwise, and we know the Cointelpro FBI always tells us the truth.

skeptic until the end.

Yea right, if you read the link I posted which makes the PM hit piece look like the work of a bitter child you'd see otherwise.
The link's claims were further nonsense, which took the interesting step of admitting that several points advanced by 9/11 revisionists are false, however.

If everybody who questions the official story is just some nutjob advancing an easily de-bunked conspiracy theory then why oh why does a major magazine like PM have to resort to outright lies and attacking nothing but strawmen? Choosing to smear instead of to enlighten? Why do they have to resort to bogus claims to make their point?
Their claims were not bogus - the rebuttal was. People who buy into the conspiracy theories are often perfectly honest individuals who nonetheless mistrust the FedGov & oftentimes don't have the specialized background needed to see through the propaganda claims.

And tell me, what "agenda" is it that people have?
Some want to scapegoat figures of derision like Bush or Israel, while others are simply paranoid or bitterly antiestablishment. They allow their prejudices to cloud their judgement.

Do concered citizens who don't buy into the official story, and that want to get to the bottom of the largest crime ever committed on American soil have no right to do so? Is truth a bad thing?
No, & people are right to think critically. The problem comes when they abandon all reason in the service of doing so.

Because that's their only agenda, unlike those in government who operate through secrecy and cover-ups. Tell me, what is the governments agenda when they won't investigate and silence whistleblowers and keep information surrounding 9-11 under secrecy? what is their agenda? What are they hiding?
They did investigate & there's no evidence of any whistleblowers. It's impossible to satisfy the paranoid.

I'm sorry, but the official story is one of no logic.
Actually, it's the most logical of the possibilities, based on the evidence.

And it's why many actual scientists round the world since then have spoken out against the official version of events since it is not possible.
Scientists with access to the relevant data like whom? I've seen no one.

A few scientists were quoted immediately after the event as saying they found something or another difficult to believe, but pretty much all of them later retracted their statements.

Java Man thoroughly debunked CA. :shrug:

Link?

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CA already debunked this story...something along the lines of "the author was related to a republican"

LOL! Good one.

I have one question for conspiracy theorists--Explain Osama's involvement.

Link?
http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83310&highlight=hatred

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CA already debunked this story...something along the lines of "the author was related to a republican"
You're wrong, as usual, but don't let that stop you.

Hey....I won't let foil get in the way:

"I got a good laugh at him using the Popular Mechanics hit piece which was done by the new father of homeland security's (Michael Chertoff) cousin."...Corporate Avenger
http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showpost.php?p=920738&postcount=100

"I don't know about the Pentagon, but that Popular Mechanics piece was a poorly staged hit-piece that was written by the guy in charge of Homeland security's cousin. It was filled with lies, half-truths, straw men, and every other leap of logic."
.....Corporate Avenger
http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1018349&postcount=13


http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
And for the record...this was not the link you had posted that I had read from you at the time


It was these two:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2872

http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html




humor is always best when there is truth behind it ;)