I'm just trying to get a handle on this

However much it is in the absence of artificial controls

However much it is in the absence of artificial controlssorry, I should have prefaced "with the full force of government..." :o

Bull****, liberals don't want a Islamic society, they just don't mind Muslims being members of society.

Bull****, liberals don't want a Islamic society, they just don't mind Muslims being members of society.The policies of your government in Londonistan seem to say otherwise.

The policies of your government in Londonistan seem to say otherwise.

I don't have a goverment in Londonistan.

The policies of your government

Which policies?

Which policies?immigration? open borders? forced integration? subsidizing of Islamic radicals who have no job but to stir up the masses?

it sounds like you're taking the libertarian position, but incorrectly assuming that freedom is absolute, and that it isn't restrained by the freedom of others.

I don't have a goverment in Londonistan.don't be so coy :D

'Londonistan' is now standard among non-british journalists. You really have to get up to speed about these things.

open borders

It is an island

forced integration

Which causes the assimilation of the minority culture into the majority rather then letting it exist in peace, integration destroys multiculturalism.

subsidizing of Islamic radicals who have no job but to stir up the masses

You mean not making Muslims an exception from welfare?

It is an islandan island that offers muslim immigrants (read: asylum seekers/terrorists) subsidized housing, public services, and many benefits denied to nationals.Which causes the assimilation of the minority culture into the majority rather then letting it exist in peace, integration destroys multiculturalism.right, peace. Have you heard of something called the Madrid or London bombings?
You mean not making Muslims an exception from welfare?Actually I mean what you just quoted, rather than another Red Herring that you hope to distract us with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londonistan

don't be so coy :D

'Londonistan' is now standard among non-british journalists. You really have to get up to speed about these things.

I don't give a **** about what you think I need to get up to speed with. I find the idea of living in a place ruled by shariah as distasteful as a place ruled by White Nationalists. Why do you think I want either?

I don't give a **** about what you think I need to get up to speed with. I find the idea of living in a place ruled by shariah as distasteful as a place ruled by White Nationalists. Why do you think I want either?you really have to give up this childish strawman where any alternative to a state-sponsored Islamic caliphate is automatically the Third Reich.

Thumper, you underestimate my distaste of shariah.

Thumper, you underestimate my distaste of shariah.and yet you scorn the most obvious solutions

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and yet you scorn the most obvious solutions


No, I would say to the people wishing to come in "This is a list of things you cannot do if you come in. This is a list of the core values of the place you are going to. Do you agree with them or not? If no then thanks for applying but you cannot come in". I would not build a wall, that is what you wish to do.

"You may not behave like Muslims if you come here."

Doesn't really work that way, though, does it? Muslims aren't people who go through the motions on Sunday. They mean business. The more Muslims you have, the tougher they are going to be with you. Soon enough, they will define proper behavior, and not the other way around.

You can kid yourself up until that point, then you will do what you are told.

Allah akbar, baby.

I would have no problem kicking them out or putting them in prison. There is a measure in place to have an EU "Green Card"; if it comes about, migrations from some countries could be reduced. I am for controlled legal migration. I am for people who are honestly refugees. All migrants must obey the rules.

Bull****, liberals don't want a Islamic society, they just don't mind Muslims being members of society.
Exactly!


'Londonistan' is now standard among non-british journalists. You really have to get up to speed about these things.
Nonsense, unless you mean by non-British, exclusively American, and a particular sort of American at that... .
. Have you heard of something called the Madrid or London bombings?
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A friend of mine has a husband in Intelligence (in the UK) and he insisted that the Madrid bombing was ETA, for some time afterwards. Some still think so...

i would say "a call to prayer five times a day" would be more like something the religous right/conservatives would try to introduce and not the athiest left/liberals :D

I read an article about grade school students in one of the states being taugh about Islam. They had to pick Muslim names, wear middle eastern style clothing, etc. They were later tested on what they had learned.

I guess there's nothing wrong with educating people, but if they were to have been taught to take a Biblical name, and act like a Christian or Jew for a week or two, the ACLU and others would have been screaming bloody murder, and demanding the program be stopped immediately, under the threat of legal action. Why do we have a such a huge double standard when it comes to Islam, as opposed to other religions; especially Christianity??

Hey, Myrrdin, watch out, Della complimented you argument - it probably was real simplistic:)

I read an article about grade school students in one of the states being taugh about Islam. They had to pick Muslim names, wear middle eastern style clothing, etc. They were later tested on what they had learned.

I guess there's nothing wrong with educating people, but if they were to have been taught to take a Biblical name, and act like a Christian or Jew for a week or two, the ACLU and others would have been screaming bloody murder, and demanding the program be stopped immediately, under the threat of legal action. Why do we have a such a huge double standard when it comes to Islam, as opposed to other religions; especially Christianity??

Well, think about it. Xianity is extremely prevalent in the US, right? It is so commonplace and generally understood that it's not really worth adding additional education. Now if you take something like Islam, which has so much culture tied up into it that people in the US do not have the opportunities to see or experience, then it's a different story.

I'd like to see an article (preferably the article you read) on that grade school. I remember my school had Japan day when we learned about Japan back in fourth or fifth grade, but that was a fun thing, and we weren't graded on it, I don't think. Anyway, it was a great cultural experience, apparently (I was sick during mine, sadly).

Hey, Myrrdin, watch out, Della complimented you argument - it probably was real simplistic:)

If you are trying to make a point, I can't see it.

A friend of mine has a husband in Intelligence (in the UK) and he insisted that the Madrid bombing was ETA, for some time afterwards. Some still think so...

Two muslim british citizens blow up a pub in Israel - must be also ETA.

I read an article about grade school students in one of the states being taugh about Islam. They had to pick Muslim names, wear middle eastern style clothing, etc. They were later tested on what they had learned.

I guess there's nothing wrong with educating people, but if they were to have been taught to take a Biblical name, and act like a Christian or Jew for a week or two, the ACLU and others would have been screaming bloody murder, and demanding the program be stopped immediately, under the threat of legal action. Why do we have a such a huge double standard when it comes to Islam, as opposed to other religions; especially Christianity??The blatant hypocrisy is quite glaring

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Two muslim british citizens blow up a pub in Israel - must be also ETA.haven't you heard, it's a world wide racist conspiracy to make the muslim angels look bad :o

A friend of mine has a husband in Intelligence (in the UK) and he insisted that the Madrid bombing was ETA, for some time afterwards. Some still think so...

Two muslim british citizens blow up a pub in Israel - must be also ETA.

The Jews (and apparently now the Spanish too:confused: ) are such a superior race that they can fake muslim terrorist attacks all the time and blame it on the muslims...successfully EVERYTIME????:confused:

God, Thumpy, and I was hoping that among your new years resolutions, was "stop posting stupid polls on DA"...

I guess all this sais in teh end is that thumper wants the west to be without muslims. and that he cant imagin a society where islam exists without beeing a threath.

I guess all this says in the end is that thumper wants the west to be without muslims. and that he can't imagine a society where islam exists without being a threat.
Exactly, oki!

I guess all this sais in teh end is that thumper wants the west to be without muslims

this IS Thumper we're talking about, there has to at the very least be an ancient conspiracy mixed in there:D

this IS Thumper we're talking about, there has to at the very least be an ancient conspiracy mixed in there:D

Which wouldn't be so awful except that he doesn't even try to be factually accurate.

Why do people always say these incedibly ignorant things when the Muslim culture is about as anti-liberal as you can get? They have much more in common with the Christian conservative fundamentalists like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Why do people always say these incedibly ignorant things when the Muslim culture is about as anti-liberal as you can get? They have much more in common with the Christian conservative fundamentalists like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.there are lots and lots of very liberal muslims here in europe. who dont go to mosques, or maybe on friday, and are perfectly tolerant of any other religon or way of thinking.

Well, think about it. Xianity is extremely prevalent in the US, right? It is so commonplace and generally understood that it's not really worth adding additional education. Now if you take something like Islam, which has so much culture tied up into it that people in the US do not have the opportunities to see or experience, then it's a different story.

I'd like to see an article (preferably the article you read) on that grade school. I remember my school had Japan day when we learned about Japan back in fourth or fifth grade, but that was a fun thing, and we weren't graded on it, I don't think. Anyway, it was a great cultural experience, apparently (I was sick during mine, sadly).


You completely miss the point. The ACLU and other anti christians WOULD NOT tolerate this type of education had it been based on anything pertaining to Christianity. They would be in court claiming that the whole thing violates the so called "seperation of church and state", and all things religious need to be removed from our public institutions immediately.

Tha fact of the matter is there is a huge double standard from the left, and it's been going on for many years. It exists, everyone knows it, and you didn't address it in your post. The people who oppose religion legally at every turn are lying, two faced hypocrites. If I'm aware of this Islamic BS being shoved down kids' throats, you can bet that they're aware of it too.

By the way, I'm not religious, and I personally don't want anyone teaching my kids religion, unless I specifically send them to a religious scholl, which I don't. That's includes Christianity and Islam.

Well, think about it. Xianity is extremely prevalent in the US, right? It is so commonplace and generally understood that it's not really worth adding additional education. Now if you take something like Islam, which has so much culture tied up into it that people in the US do not have the opportunities to see or experience, then it's a different story.


So, you know every word of the bible? All Americans know every word? American History "is so commonplace and generally understood" but yet we teach it every day.

I'm an atheist myself, I just like fairplay.

Tha fact of the matter is there is a huge double standard from the left, and it's been going on for many years. It exists, everyone knows it, and you didn't address it in your post. The people who oppose religion legally at every turn are lying, two faced hypocrites. If I'm aware of this Islamic BS being shoved down kids' throats, you can bet that they're aware of it too.


It's racism on the libby's part. The Muslims are ignorant like children and the libbys are being paternalistic to them. Whilst the white man is intelligent and should know better.

Alos, look at when the Rev-rund Jesse Jack-sum ran for president. Not one libby said anything about seperation of church & state. But when Robertson ran, oh, you heard it.:nonono:

The premise of this thread demonstrates a thorough ignorance of liberalism as well as a lack of interest in the world.

I guess all this sais in teh end is that thumper wants the west to be without muslims.

What's wrong with that:p ?

And unless most muslims will change their ways, I would have to agree. The West had enough problems without them, we don't need any more religious fanatics (unless again, they change and become normal people), to quote John Lennon..."nothing to kill or die for and no religions too":D .

and that he cant imagin a society where islam exists without beeing a threath.

The way it is now, even in 100% islamic societies, they kill each other in the name of religion. Radical Islam is the most dangerous thing since Hitler, and probably even more dangerous.

Why do people always say these incedibly ignorant things when the Muslim culture is about as anti-liberal as you can get?

:nice: Thank you!!!!

Because those people are either ignorant morons or cowards.

They have much more in common with the Christian conservative fundamentalists like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

They are so conservative that they make those people look like a bunch of Abbie Hoffmans and Jerry Rubins:p .

there are lots and lots of very liberal muslims here in europe. who dont go to mosques, or maybe on friday, and are perfectly tolerant of any other religon or way of thinking.

Right, and they believe in freedom of religion, sexual freedom, freedom of speech, women rights, gay rights, legal right to abortion, legal right to do drugs and alcohol, human rights, equality, separation of governement/law and religion...?:p They obviously violate a lot of things in the Koran if they do:D .