Famous Mummies From
China Were Caucasian (http://www.rense.com/general64/chui.htm)

URUMQI, China (AFP) - After years of controversy and political intrigue, archaeologists using genetic testing have proven that Caucasians roamed China's Tarim Basin 1,000 years before East Asian people arrived.

The research, which the Chinese government has appeared to have delayed making public out of concerns of fueling Uighur Muslim separatism in its western-most Xinjiang region, is based on a cache of ancient dried-out corpses that have been found around the Tarim Basin in recent decades.

"It is unfortunate that the issue has been so politicized because it has created a lot of difficulties," Victor Mair, a specialist in the ancient corpses and co-author of "Mummies of the Tarim Basin", told AFP.

"It would be better for everyone to approach this from a purely scientific and historical perspective."

The discoveries in the 1980s of the undisturbed 4,000-year-old "Beauty of Loulan" and the younger 3,000-year-old body of the "Charchan Man" are legendary in world archaeological circles for the fine state of their preservation and for the wealth of knowledge they bring to modern research.

In historic and scientific circles the discoveries along the ancient Silk Road were on a par with finding the Egyptian mummies.

But China's concern over its rule in restive Xinjiang has widely been perceived as impeding faster research into them and greater publicity of the findings.

The desiccated corpses, which avoided natural decomposition due to the dry atmosphere and alkaline soils in the Tarim Basin, have not only given scientists a look into their physical biologies, but their clothes, tools and burial rituals have given historians a glimpse into life in the Bronze Age.

Mair, who played a pivotal role in bringing the discoveries to Western scholars in the 1990s, has worked tirelessly to get Chinese approval to take samples out of China for definitive genetic testing.

One expedition in recent years succeeded in collecting 52 samples with the aide of Chinese researchers, but later Mair's hosts had a change of heart and only let five of them out of the country.

"I spent six months in Sweden last year doing nothing but genetic research," Mair said from his home in the United States where he teaches at the University of Pennsylvania.

"My research has shown that in the second millennium BC, the oldest mummies, like the Loulan Beauty, were the earliest settlers in the Tarim Basin.

"From the evidence available, we have found that during the first 1,000 years after the Loulan Beauty, the only settlers in the Tarim Basin were Caucasoid."

what's interesting is that many ancient cultures record encounters with a fair skinned, tall, red-haired race that brought them civilization.

the aztecs first worshipped the conquistadors as gods because they thought they were these same people from ancient history.

your thoughts?

IBnephilim :o

I have head about caucasians in ancient China before. History is largely a story of migrations.

what's interesting is that many ancient cultures record encounters with a fair skinned, tall, red-haired race that brought them civilization.

the aztecs first worshipped the conquistadors as gods because they thought they were these same people from ancient history.

your thoughts?

Oh Jesus, I thought this was an intelligent thread. Sorry my mistake.

are celts described in the bible?

Oh Jesus, I thought this was an intelligent thread. Sorry my mistake.http://smiliesftw.com/!/kekefawk.gif

are celts described in the bible?
Not to my knowledge no, but I haven't read the thing in years.

That's right, 'cause all civilization is the result of white people coming in and starting it :nonono:\

No, this is just another attempt to prove white are superior, and even Asians are inferior and owe everything to a white progenitor. (Thumper, look that word up. It might enlighten you.)

are celts described in the bible?

There are a couple of elaborate genealogies purported to be comprehensive information about almost everybody-but I can't make head nor tails-the Celts were extensive in Europe before Rome took over...

are celts described in the bible?

I packed up alot of my stuff and studies on Bible including concordance that was real helpful ,it's like a book search engine . But from memeory I think it's in Genesis and it's about the the birth of Jacob and his twin brother, one was red headed . I don't remember if it as Esau or Jacobs [think his name is esau].

But somewhere in the Old Testement it says that at the end of era that some from all tribes on earth will come to the Holy city to worship God . So actually no one race will be superior . Only those who try to obey Gods laws . And not only from the two houses of Israel ;House of Judah[ jews ] or House of Israel [ Israelites ]. There will be no prejudice so to speak,maybe seperation I don't know of tribes and nations, but no special race . The only thing that seperates man from God is sin, not race . This is my understanding only of what I study . Everyone should study for themselves and prove all things with open mind .

I packed up alot of my stuff and studies on Bible including concordance that was real helpful ,it's like a book search engine . But from memeory I think it's in Genesis and it's about the the birth of Jacob and his twin brother, one was red headed . I don't remember if it as Esau or Jacobs [think his name is esau].

But somewhere in the Old Testement it says that at the end of era that some from all tribes on earth will come to the Holy city to worship God . So actually no one race will be superior . Only those who try to obey Gods laws . And not only from the two houses of Israel ;House of Judah[ jews ] or House of Israel [ Israelites ]. There will be no prejudice so to speak,maybe seperation I don't know of tribes and nations, but no special race . The only that that seperates man from God is sin, not race . This is my understanding onl of what I study . Everyone should study for themselves and prove all things with open mind .i'm not talking about salvation, but anthroplogy.

pappy, what do you know about the nephilim?

pappy, what do you know about the nephilim?

Not much . I do know that alot of division of cultures and tribes is mi-understood and causes wars and conflicts . I do beleve that people who have strong cultural differences should stay seperated by bordors and nations . And tend to their own bussiness . Unless of course one s threatening o invade or take over the other,then it's best to away from home . If no imminant threat stay out of it .

i'm not talking about salvation, but anthroplogy.

You ask if celts were in the Bible .

pappy, what do you know about the nephilim?

Half-angel half-human entities, giant in size. Possibly they were actually deities from prehistoric times which survived into Judaism. Celts were not the nephilim.

Half-angel half-human entities, giant in size. Possibly they were actually deities from prehistoric times which survived into Judaism. Celts were not the nephilim.


Thanks . But I'm having enough trouble figuring out the terestrials and this present worlds history without going back before the ' dark and void '. I'll have to leave that to the Art Bell fans.

Thanks . But I'm having enough trouble figuring out the terestrials and this present worlds history without going back before the ' dark and void '. I'll have to leave that to the Art Bell fans.

Mythology is always interesting though.

Mythology is always interesting though.

Yes it is and I dabble in it sometimes . But don't beleive most of their findings . I nverdid beleive the oil theory . Now some say the draining of it is whats causing the rise in earthquakes .

Earthquakes have always happened.

That's right, 'cause all civilization is the result of white people coming in and starting it :nonono:\

No, this is just another attempt to prove white are superior, and even Asians are inferior and owe everything to a white progenitor. (Thumper, look that word up. It might enlighten you.)

Not really, since the region in question is a bit of a wasteland.

The thing is, there were very recently some Cacausian mummies found in China, but nobody can in all honesty say small scale contacts like this sparked Chinese civilisation, because China for a long time far exceeded Europe in its technological sophistication. How did they beat the white guys at their own game for so long if white genes are the source of all civilisation? The whole idea is bull****.

The thing is, there were very recently some Cacausian mummies found in China, but nobody can in all honesty say small scale contacts like this sparked Chinese civilisation, because China for a long time far exceeded Europe in its technological sophistication. How did they beat the white guys at their own game for so long if white genes are the source of all civilisation? The whole idea is bull****.what about greece and the middle east?

what about greece and the middle east?
What's your spin on that story?

What's your spin on that story?you're saying that chinese surpassed whites in every respect... well what about iran and greece?

The thing is, there were very recently some Cacausian mummies found in China, but nobody can in all honesty say small scale contacts like this sparked Chinese civilisation, because China for a long time far exceeded Europe in its technological sophistication. How did they beat the white guys at their own game for so long if white genes are the source of all civilisation? The whole idea is bull****.

Rice, yes Rice. Marvelous substance rice. Check it.

Also, the earthworms in Europe was killed off and the soil was sucky.

That's the short version of course.

you're saying that chinese surpassed whites in every respect... well what about iran and greece?hello?

you're saying that chinese surpassed whites in every respect... well what about iran and greece?

The Middle East had civilisation before Greece AFAIK. The Minoan gave birth to Greek civilisation but that came later than what happened in the Middle East.

The Middle East had civilisation before Greece AFAIK. The Minoan gave birth to Greek civilisation but that came later than what happened in the Middle East.In any case, Iran was white. Hence the name, the recessive eye color that pops up in segments in the population, and their ruling elite who almost look anglo as in other middle eastern countries.

what does AFAIK mean :o

Interesting. Yes indeed Arabs are actually a sub-division of caucasoids but I am amazed you think of them as being your white brothers :eek: .

AFAIK=As Far As I Know

Iran is Persian not Arab... umm... will have to look up the "race" they belong to, race really is not top of my mind very often. Perhaps they are in the same sub-division as Arabs.

Interesting. Yes indeed Arabs are actually a sub-division of caucasoids but I am amazed you think of them as being your white brothers :eek: .

AFAIK=As Far As I Knowewww!!

Iran is Persian not Arab... umm... will have to look up the "race" they belong to, race really is not top of my mind very often. Perhaps they are in the same sub-division as Arabs.Iran, like other once great empires, was overrun by swarthy non-white masses that diminished its civilization. That's what I was driving at.

The Middle East had civilisation before Greece AFAIK. The Minoan gave birth to Greek civilisation but that came later than what happened in the Middle East.

So soon Myrddin? Is the noggin not what it once was? So :( .

http://rense.com/general66/vvi.htm

And with the degenerative wet climes of Europe...

So soon Myrddin? Is the noggin not what it once was? So :( .

http://rense.com/general66/vvi.htm

And with the degenerative wet climes of Europe...But I thought we were running around naked with our genitals painted blue at this time, how heart breakingly sad this news is :(

Iran is Persian not Arab... umm... will have to look up the "race" they belong to, race really is not top of my mind very often. Perhaps they are in the same sub-division as Arabs.

Thumper is correct. Go on, you can say it. SAYYYY ITTTTT!

Sometime around 1500 to 1000 BC, the Iranian nomads of Indo-European stock emigrated to the Iranian plateau possibly from Central Asia. In 8th century BC, the first Iranian government was established under the Median dynasty and under the following dynasty, the Achaemenids, Iranians built the first world empire. Their empire emerged in the 6th century BC under Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire, who called himself "King of Iran and beyond". Indeed, the name Persia is derived from Persis, the ancient Greek name for the empire. The Achaemenid dynasty was followed by the Parthian and Sassanid dynasties as Persia's greatest pre-Islamic empires. Alexander the Great first conquered Persia in 331 BC, followed by Islam's Arab forces in the 7th century AD, and Genghis Khan, and lastly, Tamerlane who conquered a significant portion of Persia in the middle ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

So soon Myrddin? Is the noggin not what it once was? So :( .

http://rense.com/general66/vvi.htm

And with the degenerative wet climes of Europe...

Hehehe... well with all that water leaching out color I should should be singing the glory of the pale faced and the bleached with you then eh?

I know about neolithic civilisation already chap, I have been in side a building that is older than the pyramids at Newgrange in County Meath, I have seen their cairns and dolmens in The Burren, BUT these were not city dwellers for the most part, nor the Celts that came after them. It did not well suit their lifestyle. There probably is very ancient unknown civilisations all over the World, perhaps drowned at the end of the last Ice Age. Sorry bud, you ain't surprising me with what you are posting.

Thumper is correct. Go on, you can say it. SAYYYY ITTTTT!


Now you are talking about Indo-European culture. The Celts shared a similar religion and culture with the Indians through their common cultural ancestors, and the Persians too. Of coarse that does not mean they share the same race exactly or much of the same bloodline. The bloodline of Europe is mostly neolithic, not Celtic. My own ancestors were of neolithic stock but Celtic by culture. Genetically I am mostly neolithic. The Indo-Europeans that migrated to Persia mixed with the people there, the same with India.

If you want to claim the brown-skinned Indians as your brothers, I am very pleased, but that is not what most WN's have in mind.

Now you are talking about Indo-European culture. The Celts shared a similar religion and culture with the Indians through their common cultural ancestors, and the Persians too. Of coarse that does not mean they share the same race exactly or much of the same bloodline. The bloodline of Europe is mostly neolithic, not Celtic. My own ancestors were of neolithic stock but Celtic by culture. Genetically I am mostly neolithic. The Indo-Europeans that migrated to Persia mixed with the people there, the same with India.

If you want to claim the brown-skinned Indians as your brothers, I am very pleased, but that is not what most WN's have in mind.

Indo-European Invasions triggered by Flooding of Black Sea 5600 B.C.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/Indoeuropeaninvasion.jpg

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/indoeuropean%20language%20diffusion.gif

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/Indoeuropean%20language%20family%20tree.jpg

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/342worldhistoryearly.html

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/342indo-european.jpg

On an aside, do you reckon the ancient Goddess Danu (Celtic?) was named after the Danube River?

Indo-European Invasions triggered by Flooding of Black Sea 5600 B.C.

I am not sure if the migrations can be traced back to a single event, I will need to research it more myself. Also the Celtic language branch looks a little incorrect.




On an aside, do you reckon the ancient Goddess Danu (Celtic?) was named after the Danube River?

I think the river was named after the Goddess Dana/Danu. Yes she is a Celtic Goddess, indeed she is THE Celtic Goddess.

I think the river was named after the Goddess Dana/Danu. Yes she is a Celtic Goddess, indeed she is THE Celtic Goddess.

Well there were others: the Morrigan, the Dagda, Lugh of the Shing Light (once use that as a forum handle), Brigit, etc. Although I have heard rumors that the Celts practiced ancestors worship and these gods/goddesses were once human and were elevated and Danu (Mother Nature) was the only true god.

some say that the Germanic/Celitc peoples are what the bible describes as the mighty "Assyrians", since the break up of the Assyrian empire coincides with the Volkwanderung (the inexplicable 'wandering' as described by the Romans) :o

Well there were others: the Morrigan,

A goddess of war, along Badb and one other goddess, Macha. Celtic goddesses come in threes.


the Dagda,

A "father god", funny but also all-powerful.


Lugh of the Shing Light

Lugh of the Long Arm (or hand). Hero and solar god.


Brigit,

The most important Celtic goddess in Ireland. The granddaugther of Dana.


Although I have heard rumors that the Celts practiced ancestors worship and these gods/goddesses were once human and were elevated and Danu (Mother Nature) was the only true god.
In a way yes they did practice ancestor worship, the land of the gods was Tir na Oige, which was also the afterlife. The Celts believed in the male/female duality of nature so all gods and goddesses were probably aspects of one divinity. The Hindu religion is the closest living relative to the Celts religion.

some say that the Germanic/Celitc peoples are what the bible describes as the mighty "Assyrians", since the break up of the Assyrian empire coincides with the Volkwanderung (the inexplicable 'wandering' as described by the Romans) :o

The Assyrians existed for the most part in Iraq and in Turkey. The Celts and the Germans probably were elsewhere at that time.

The Assyrians existed for the most part in Iraq and in Turkey. The Celts and the Germans probably were elsewhere at that time.Namesake doesn't count for much.

culture and language are fluid. Most anthropologists readily accept that today's modern day egyptians are certainly not the ones that built the pyramids.

So, y'all reckon these "Celts in Chiner" are the Tocharians/Ainu?

I do know there are Ainu living in Japan.

So, y'all reckon these "Celts in Chiner" are the Tocharians/Ainu?

I do know there are Ainu living in Japan.

Song: General Lü

General Lü,
The valiant-hearted,
Riding alone on Scarlet Hare,
Out of the gates of Ch'in,
To weep at Gold Grain Mound
By funeral trees.

Inscrutable that vaulted azure,
Arching over earth,
This is the way the world wags
In our Nine Provinces.
Gleaming ore from Scarlet Hill!
Hero of our time!
Green-eyed general, you well know
The will of Heaven!

(Emphasis added. Translation from Goddesses, Ghosts, and Demons -- The Collected Poems of Li He (790 - 816), Translated by J.D. Frodsham, North Point Press, San Fransisco, 1983).

So, y'all reckon these "Celts in Chiner" are the Tocharians/Ainu?

I do know there are Ainu living in Japan.

The Ainu are natives of the Japanese islands, the Japanese themselves came from the Asian mainland, possibly Korea.

Actually there are proponents among linguists who say Japanese is a polynesian
language and the Japanese are also polynesians-the evidence for the first part of that is pretty solid.

I've been reading up. The region in question is in far west China, a regi0on that to this very day is not very Asiatic in appearance. This doesn't prove that White people founded Chinese civilization. They may very well have helped Buddhism find its way to China. The region in question was on the silk road. What a shame you got too caught up in your rhetoric.

The Ainu are natives of the Japanese islands, the Japanese themselves came from the Asian mainland, possibly Korea.

But I thought you said everybody came from Africa. They went from Africa to the Caucasoids, hung out for a while, then fled east because of the flooding of the Black sea (I heard of a meteorite hitting somewhere in the Mediterranean), passed through Chiner and on into Japan. A couple thousand years before the Japanese arrived on the scene.

All people came from Africa a long, long time ago. What the word "native" means would be a debate in itself.

The first settlers in Japan the ancestors of the Ainu, were thought to be Caucasian. Ainus today have distinctly caucasian features, particularly the abundence of facial hair.

The first settlers in Japan the ancestors of the Ainu, were thought to be Caucasian. Ainus today have distinctly caucasian features, particularly the abundence of facial hair.

Yes, the other Japanese dislike them for their hair, think of them as being crude (I guess they might think the same of people of European decent).

All people came from Africa a long, long time ago. What the word "native" means would be a debate in itself.stop trying to make us consider blacks our equals :o

stop trying to make us consider blacks our equals :o

This is where you err-you try to commpare the races-we're all human beings-there are many things about black people that no white person can really understand and vice versa-you can enjoy the differences between people without hate-it's possible-they're not going away...

stop trying to make us consider blacks our equals :o
To think this, and believe it with all of your heart is a terrible, terrible tragedy. What makes you think that you are above anyone else on this planet?
You must be a very small person to have to put others down to make yourself feel better.
May God have mercy on you.

thumper hugs

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Strange time for a hug,Thump,old Boy...

Observe thumper, that the little people in that hug smiley, are of different colors.

Don't hug me, your soul is rotted all to hell.

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I don't think your soul is rotted but you DO need to let go of that silliness-it would serve you right to fall in love with a Moslem girl...

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