http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa011402a.htm?1

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I tried to read that link, I really did. But when I saw the part about aliens from Planet X building the pyramids, I had to stop before I died laughing.

That's pretty cool :nice:
I thought the disks and the balls were the coolest ones :nice:

I tried to read that link, I really did. But when I saw the part about aliens from Planet X building the pyramids, I had to stop before I died laughing.

What are you talking about.
I don't remember that part.

Yeah, there is all kinds of wild theories on this kind of stuff... but that's because no one has any clue how they got here.

That's pretty cool :nice:
I thought the disks and the balls were the coolest ones :nice:

Freud might have something to say about that...

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:D

I tend to go with the theory that those were built by the Nephilim :o

There was just a thing about the "Bagdad Battery" on TV a couple days ago (segment of a larger show). It's not the least bit far fetched. A basic battery is pretty damn simple, and there's no reason they couldn't have discovered the principle by sheer accident in exactly the same way Volta did centuries later. All you need are two dissimilar metals and an electrolyte. Electrolytes are all over the place: salt water, fruit and vegetable juices, lye, and vinegar.

This is an interesting article. Thanks for posting it, ÆSiR

The only one I have ever heard of was the one on the “Impossible Fossils.”

I bet “Fox” Mulder from the X-files has all of these memorized, yet “Scully” would debunk his theories if possible.

Hands down best post I've read in a while.

I tend to think that its our dating system that's screwed. Both of how long "modern" man has been around and of the strata some of this stuff has been found in. These are the kinds of mysteries that make me want to cryo-freeze myself so I can find out what the answers are a thousand years from now.

Yeah, we marvel at how older civilizations thought they knew it all, hell, less than five hundred years ago we thought curses & demons caused illness.

I'm sure we'll keep changing, perfecting, & finding new techniques. The exciting thing is we are only touching the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole universe to analyze.

Did you know that some of that information comes from a website titled "Revolution Against Evolution"??

Did you know that some of that information comes from a website titled "Revolution Against Evolution"??

Lol, I never even checked the link, I have books all over about mysterious places/happenings.
I supposed it is rather humorous, to think that evolution seems farther fetched than aliens comiing from other time/worlds to leave icons of their intelligence behind.

What the Stones Reveal

The Dropa disks tell the story of a space probe from a distant planet that crash-landed in the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of the Himalayas. The occupants of the spacecraft - the Dropa - found refuge in the caves of the mountains. Despite their peaceful intentions, the Dropa were misunderstood by members of the Ham tribe who were occupying neighboring caves and who hunted down the aliens and even killed some of them. A translation of one of the passages says: "The Dropa came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women, and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropa, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions...."

Who does these disks belong too; the Aliens (the Dropa) are the Ham tribe?

The aliens wouldn't write "The Dropa" when they would write "we" or "our sign language".

And it can't be the Ham tribe because of:

In 1968, the Dropa stones came to the attention of W. Saitsew, a Russian scientist who re-published the findings of Tsum Um Nui and conducted tests on the disks that revealed some very peculiar properties. Physically, the granite stones contained high concentrations of cobalt and other metals - a very hard stone indeed that would have made it difficult for the primitive people to carve the lettering, especially with such minute characters.

Bad history and science fiction; can't even get their chit straight.:nonono:

http://users.boardnation.com/~shadowboxent/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=222

BAM. I knew it sounded too good to be true. Board that has damning evidence against the Dropa Disk story. God, I wanted to believe that one so bad I had to go and see if I could find evidence against it.

Long story short, sounds like it was totally fabricated by some quack-scientist named von Daniken who is a proponent of the theory that humans were born from aliens or somesuch. Looks like no such disks exist, and the tribe of people are simply pygmies.

Oh, the one detail that really bugged me was the entire translation bit. How could it be explained that this one guy translated those disks? Translated it form what? How did he know the pronunciation of the word "dropa?" How would he have known what word translated to "airplane?" I mean, what ancient civilization had a word for airplane? Spaceship? And if they did, how the heck did he know what that word was to translate it into?

That's what I thought, these Han couldn't even fathom the word craft. I'll give them air (bird flies through the air, smoke rises into the air, etc), but not craft.

And then they were heiroglyphs. They couldn't translate Egyptian heiroglyphs until we had the Rosetta stone.

the next find of some skelleton can change our history completely, just as it did before. we only know as much as weve dug up. and scientists build their carreers on their discoveries and are not very willing to admit they were wrong.

The Antikythera Mechanism


A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete.

Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C

It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago

I declare the scientists involved in the examination of this object to be retarded.

Would you care to explain why? I've heard of this device from "reputable" sources, such as printed books and the History Channel, plus one of my professors. I'm interested in any info you have, or are you just claiming their retarded because you don't understand it?

I declare the scientists involved in the examination of this object to be retarded.
Why? Does it have "Timex" stamped on it somewhere?

Would you care to explain why? I've heard of this device from "reputable" sources, such as printed books and the History Channel, plus one of my professors. I'm interested in any info you have, or are you just claiming their retarded because you don't understand it?

I'm saying they're retarded since its obviously Greek.

I'm saying they're retarded since its obviously Greek.
What's so obvious about it?

What's so obvious about it?

It was found near Greece, from 80 BC, and its similar to other Greek mechanical items.

It was found near Greece, from 80 BC, and its similar to other Greek mechanical items.
Yeah, but them Greeks were sailing all over the mediterranean trading and could have picked it up anywhere. I'm also pretty skeptical of your latter claim. The reason it seems to be remarkable is that it isn't like anything we know about from that era. People in the know seem to be pretty surprised about the metal gears. They're crude, but metal gears didn't become common till, oh maybe sometime after the Renaissance from what I understand.

Yeah, but them Greeks were sailing all over the mediterranean trading and could have picked it up anywhere.


Except we don't have similar artifacts from other cultures in 80 BC.


I'm also pretty skeptical of your latter claim.


The Greeks had a word for it

That tallies with ancient sources that refer to such devices. Cicero, writing in the first century BC, mentions an instrument “recently constructed by our friend Poseidonius, which at each revolution reproduces the same motions of the sun, the moon and the five planets.” Archimedes is also said to have made a small planetarium, and two such devices were said to have been rescued from Syracuse when it fell in 212BC. This reconstruction suggests such references can now be taken literally.

It also provides strong support for Price's theory. He believed that the mechanism was strongly suggestive of an ancient Greek tradition of complex mechanical technology which, transmitted via the Arab world, formed the basis of European clockmaking techniques. This fits with another, smaller device that was acquired in 1983 by the Science Museum, which models the motions of the sun and moon. Dating from the sixth century AD, it provides a previously missing link between the Antikythera mechanism and later Islamic calendar computers, such as the 13th century example at the Museum of the History of Science in Oxford. That device, in turn, uses techniques described in a manuscript written by al-Biruni, an Arab astronomer, around 1000AD.


http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1337165

There are no 'mystery' civilizations in the Mediteranean in 80 BC.


The reason it seems to be remarkable is that it isn't like anything we know about from that era.


Thats untrue.


People in the know seem to be pretty surprised about the metal gears. They're crude, but metal gears didn't become common till, oh maybe sometime after the Renaissance from what I understand.

No one says it was common. These were toys for the Philosophers and rulers of Greece. The Greeks even invented a prayer machine and a mechanical play which are, in fact, similar to this thing.

Except we don't have similar artifacts from other cultures in 80 BC.
Apparently we have one from Roman culture as you point out below.

That tallies with ancient sources that refer to such devices. Cicero, writing in the first century BC, mentions an instrument “recently constructed by our friend Poseidonius, which at each revolution reproduces the same motions of the sun, the moon and the five planets.”
Main Entry: Cic·ero
Pronunciation: 'si-s&-"rO
Function: biographical name
Marcus Tullius 106-43 B.C. Roman statesman, lawyer, orator, & author; one of the greatest Roman orators; innovator of Ciceronian rhetoric; staunch defender of republican principles; writings include books of rhetoric, orations, philosophical and political treatises, and letters

Roman, not Greek

Archimedes is also said to have made a small planetarium,
This is pretty damned vague. Did it have gearing? Apparently no one knows any details.

and two such devices were said to have been rescued from Syracuse when it fell in 212BC. This reconstruction suggests such references can now be taken literally.
Also pretty damned vague. Also not Greece:

Main Entry: Syr·a·cuse
Pronunciation: 'sir-&-"kyüs, -"kyüz
Usage: geographical name
1 city central New York near Oneida Lake population 163,860
2 or Italian Si·ra·cu·sa /"sE-rä-'kü-zä/ or ancient Syr·a·cu·sae /"sir-&-'kyü-(")sE, -(")zE/ city & port Italy in SE Sicily population 124,606
- Syr·a·cu·san /"sir-&-'kyü-s&n, -z&n/ adjective or noun

There are no 'mystery' civilizations in the Mediteranean in 80 BC.
I have no idea why you would mention this. Not being Greek doesn't mean it can only be accounted for by a "mystery civilization". All we need to account for it is clever individual engineer.
No one says it was common. These were toys for the Philosophers and rulers of Greece. The Greeks even invented a prayer machine and a mechanical play which are, in fact, similar to this thing.
And the Chinese had done similar things at that time.

I think the way to figure out the origin is not by it's similarity to anything but to simply find out what language the date is inscribed in. If it's Greek, then that pretty much settles it.

(Cough)

Apparently we have one from Roman culture as you point out below.


Main Entry: Cic·ero
Pronunciation: 'si-s&-"rO
Function: biographical name
Marcus Tullius 106-43 B.C. Roman statesman, lawyer, orator, & author; one of the greatest Roman orators; innovator of Ciceronian rhetoric; staunch defender of republican principles; writings include books of rhetoric, orations, philosophical and political treatises, and letters

Roman, not Greek


Cicero was talking about a Greek. IE: Poseidonius. He is referring to a Greek who built an item.


This is pretty damned vague. Did it have gearing? Apparently no one knows any details.


Yes.

http://www.tmth.edu.gr/en/expo/ancient_greek_technology.html

Check out Heron's mobile automaton.


Also pretty damned vague. Also not Greece:

Main Entry: Syr·a·cuse
Pronunciation: 'sir-&-"kyüs, -"kyüz
Usage: geographical name
1 city central New York near Oneida Lake population 163,860
2 or Italian Si·ra·cu·sa /"sE-rä-'kü-zä/ or ancient Syr·a·cu·sae /"sir-&-'kyü-(")sE, -(")zE/ city & port Italy in SE Sicily population 124,606
- Syr·a·cu·san /"sir-&-'kyü-s&n, -z&n/ adjective or noun


(Blinks) I hate to break it to you, but Syracuse was a Greek city. Many cities in Italy, Sicily, and even Gaul (France) were colonized by Greeks. Archimedes was a Greek.


I have no idea why you would mention this. Not being Greek doesn't mean it can only be accounted for by a "mystery civilization". All we need to account for it is clever individual engineer.


The original site attempts to suggest its a mystery. It isn't. Its a Greek item.


And the Chinese had done similar things at that time.


Not that I know of. And I would know.


I think the way to figure out the origin is not by it's similarity to anything but to simply find out what language the date is inscribed in. If it's Greek, then that pretty much settles it.

Well, its Greek.

Cicero was talking about a Greek. IE: Poseidonius. He is referring to a Greek who built an item.
Yes, you're right. Google says he was a Greek philosopher living in Rome and he tutored Cicero at one point.
Check out Heron's mobile automaton.
Hero's automaton isn't Archimedes' planetarium. The devices mentioned to be like the one found in the shipwreck were by Poseidonius, Archimedes, and the two alleged ones in Syracuse. I don't dispute that Hero could have made one if he wanted, he was certainly skilled enough, but he's not mentioned as having done so.
(Blinks) I hate to break it to you, but Syracuse was a Greek city. Many cities in Italy, Sicily, and even Gaul (France) were colonized by Greeks. Archimedes was a Greek.
Actually, I think you're probably happy to break it to me. I recall reading that Archimedes moved to Syracuse to study, and couldn't figure out why. It would make perfect sence if it were a Greek colony at the time.
The original site attempts to suggest its a mystery. It isn't. Its a Greek item.
"It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago"
Even if you prove it was a Greek the above statement is still true.
Not that I know of. And I would know.
You're right. The thing I was thinking of was later:

In the Jin Dynasty (265-420) a kind of odometer was used on carriages. It was a wooden figure connected to the wheels by a series of gears, and which beat a drum to indicate the distance covered. The wheels had a circumference of five meters, and so with every 100 revolutions the carriage had covered 500 meters, and the figure would strike its drum.
http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/4.htm

Well, its Greek.
The writing?

gaa-duhh

posted before checking what was on hte second page

very informative, keep going....

In the Jin Dynasty (265-420) a kind of odometer was used on carriages. It was a wooden figure connected to the wheels by a series of gears, and which beat a drum to indicate the distance covered. The wheels had a circumference of five meters, and so with every 100 revolutions the carriage had covered 500 meters, and the figure would strike its drum.
http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/4.htm
The writing?


Them some big-ass wheels! An old-timey prairie schooner had (that held a bunch of junk):

The box sat upon two sets of wheels of different sizes: the rear wheels were typically about 50" in diameter, while the front wheels were about 44" in diameter.

The biggest Amish wheel is 36".

A five meter (60 feetish) wheel for a people carriage? :confused:

TA five meter (60 feetish) wheel for a people carriage? :confused:
Circumfrence. Five meter circumfrence, not diameter.

Does this ring any kind of bell: 3.1416

Its like they said on stargate... We arent the 1st evolution of our form on this planet. :nice: