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86Dude
11-17-2005, 09:14 PM
I was hoping for testicular cancer or full blown Aids but Parkinsons will do. Let's see Cubas "world class health system" fix this old commie, LOL.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/11/16/castro.parkinsons.reut/index.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The CIA has concluded that Cuban President Fidel Castro suffers from Parkinson's disease and could have difficulty coping with the duties of office as his condition worsens, an official said Wednesday.

The assessment, completed in recent months, suggests the nonfatal but debilitating disease has progressed far enough to warrant questions among U.S. policymakers about the communist country's future in the next several years.

h2g2Fan
11-17-2005, 09:18 PM
hooray instability

Spazola
11-17-2005, 09:20 PM
Oh, yay! Lets all wish sicknesses on other people...it's so kind of us! :)




Bad karma, dude, bad karma. :P

86Dude
11-17-2005, 09:21 PM
Viva instability. Pretty soon the old geezer won't be able to take a leak without wetting his pants, but I feel confident that Chavez will help him shake it off.

86Dude
11-17-2005, 09:24 PM
Oh, yay! Lets all wish sicknesses on other people...it's so kind of us! :)




Bad karma, dude, bad karma. :P

Karma=pagan nonsense.

Spazola
11-17-2005, 09:30 PM
My stepdad is Christian, and he believes in Karma. :shrug:


I don't know...I hate how George W. Bush runs our country, but I don't want him to get a deadly disease, or anything. :shrug:

86Dude
11-17-2005, 09:52 PM
Very noble of you, but not my style.

Snouter
11-17-2005, 10:04 PM
Unfortunately, the demise of that evil piece of garbage will probably be anti-climactic since the communist thug Chavez has gained so much power.

I hate how George W. Bush runs our country.

What are you typical expectations for a president in running a country and how does Bush fall short?

Patrician
11-17-2005, 10:36 PM
Sweet!

Stone
11-17-2005, 11:50 PM
should be really interesting to see what happens post-castro... anyone care to make a prediction?

jimmyjude
11-18-2005, 03:42 AM
His brother Raul will rule for a while. Then.....?

How can the CIA be trusted though? I mean they are a bunch of liars cooking intelligence....aren't they?

Oberon
11-18-2005, 03:46 AM
should be really interesting to see what happens post-castro... anyone care to make a prediction?

Yes. A repeat of what made Castro's revolution a success in the first place; slave plantations and a 'government' run by American organized crime syndicates. This will of course be called 'Free Trade' and 'globalisation'.

Parkinson's is the same disease that Reagan had. I don't recall the 'world class' American medical system fixing him.

Betrade
11-18-2005, 08:06 AM
Yes. A repeat of what made Castro's revolution a success in the first place; slave plantations and a 'government' run by American organized crime syndicates. This will of course be called 'Free Trade' and 'globalisation'.

Parkinson's is the same disease that Reagan had. I don't recall the 'world class' American medical system fixing him.

Reagan had Alzhiemers, not Parkinsons.

oki
11-18-2005, 09:50 AM
I sure dont hope that it will all fall apart soon there. maybe chavez influence will make it more democratic, but without throwing away their ideals.

jwreck
11-18-2005, 02:16 PM
its believed hitler had parkinsons. coincedence?

Java_man
11-18-2005, 04:22 PM
His brother Raul will rule for a while. Then.....?



It will return to a gambling mecca / carnival cruise stop

its believed hitler had parkinsons. coincedence?

yes

SecretSamadhi
11-18-2005, 04:28 PM
Karma=pagan nonsense.

I think its really scary that you think that way... Karma is real buddy - and with what I've seen from some of your posts - its probably something you should research. :|

Truth Teller
11-18-2005, 04:58 PM
It will return to a gambling mecca / carnival cruise stop





I agree.

Diverlady
11-18-2005, 05:08 PM
should be really interesting to see what happens post-castro... anyone care to make a prediction?

Sure I will take a stab....Raul will successfully rule as Fidel's heir for a ~10 year period and the country will slowly democratize through the process. EU and Canadian commercial interests will continue to tie up the best Real estate/ Development opportunites and by the time the Communist regime fades away there will be little large scale economic opportunities for US citizens bared from investing in Cuba. All the US is doing right now is ignoring the business opportunity for the sake of a few aging exiled Cubans in South Florida. Remember those folks who fled Castro at the end of Battista's rule are also getting frail and croaking. Their children are more and more identifying themselves as Americans and simply dropping the Cuban from Cuban-American.

orangikan
11-18-2005, 05:19 PM
there will be little large scale economic opportunities for US citizens bared from investing in Cuba. .

Don't ever count out the US when it comes to being capitalistically opportunistic in S. America or the Carribean! As most of the ex pats are in Miami, they're just a plane flight away. And we have guns, Canadians don't.

Diverlady
11-19-2005, 10:19 AM
With the track record that the US is establishing not many are going to be too concerned about US guns as they will be busy in Iraq for years to come. As to the plane flight our government dosent allow them to be involved in Cuba's development. Personally I think its a very dumb strategy. We should be encourageing our business to invest there and gain some measure of economic control. Instead other countries, the EU, Canadians are the ones building the infrastructure under long term 30 year renewable leases. Do you really think we would use our guns to take away those leases from our allies citizens? I really doubt it.

orangikan
11-19-2005, 03:18 PM
Do you really think we would use our guns to take away those leases from our allies citizens? I really doubt it.

I guess you didn't see my icon?

Truth Teller
11-19-2005, 04:31 PM
Sure I will take a stab....Raul will successfully rule as Fidel's heir for a ~10 year period and the country will slowly democratize through the process. EU and Canadian commercial interests will continue to tie up the best Real estate/ Development opportunites and by the time the Communist regime fades away there will be little large scale economic opportunities for US citizens bared from investing in Cuba. All the US is doing right now is ignoring the business opportunity for the sake of a few aging exiled Cubans in South Florida. Remember those folks who fled Castro at the end of Battista's rule are also getting frail and croaking. Their children are more and more identifying themselves as Americans and simply dropping the Cuban from Cuban-American.

I met someone whose family left Cuba when Fidel Castro took power and who recently went back to cuba for the first time since '59 and he feels the exact way that you do.

He said the ecomomic situation is very bad there and if there were a free election Fidel would be gone in second,but he also thinks that what you said will happen ,that Raul will take over and gradually bring capitalism back to Cuba.

That the Cuban exiles of the 50's [like his father] are dead or dying and their children [like him] are Amercanized and are not going back to Cuba to live.



In fact ,I think it's a safe bet that virtualy every multinational corperation has been planning for this during the last several years.

GregJones
11-19-2005, 11:17 PM
lol I just laugh at people who are happy as Castro approaches his death. What are you happy about? Someone just like him will only take his place. :cool: :hmm: :(

jimmyjude
11-20-2005, 12:49 AM
That isn't necessarily true. Maybe initially Raul Castro will rule, but then eventually Cuba will become a liberal democracy.

Patrician
11-20-2005, 10:35 AM
lol I just laugh at people who are happy as Castro approaches his death. What are you happy about? Someone just like him will only take his place. :cool: :hmm: :(

Perhaps the US will have the balls to invade and finally put and end to the socialist failure in Cuba.

Della April
11-20-2005, 09:42 PM
its believed hitler had parkinsons. coincedence?
Only if you think the fact that the Pope and Mohammed Ali (the boxer), and Michael J Fox the actor, plus a number of NZ athletes have Parkinsons means anything.

I just can't believe some of you people! You seem to believe that you own the world, and can wish death on the leaders of coutries you fear, or invade them to replace leaders you hate. News flash, Cuba and Venezuela are independent states with people who have a right to their own systems.

Della April
11-20-2005, 09:49 PM
Perhaps the US will have the balls to invade and finally put and end to the socialist failure in Cuba.
What scares you, rubicon, is that it isn't a failure... :D

86Dude
11-21-2005, 09:48 AM
I just can't believe some of you people! You seem to believe that you own the world, and can wish death on the leaders of coutries you fear, or invade them to replace leaders you hate. News flash, Cuba and Venezuela are independent states with people who have a right to their own systems.

You make this sound like a bad thing.

KillZone
11-21-2005, 10:28 AM
I am no fan of Fidel Castro, but if this is true, I feel for him. He has a family, and this will be hard on them if it is true.

He says he is "feeling better than ever":

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0511190243nov19,1,1523392.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

HAVANA--Rebutting reports he is suffering from Parkinson's disease, Cuban President Fidel Castro told the nation in a televised speech ending early Friday that he is feeling "better than ever."

Dressed in his trademark combat fatigues, a seemingly fit Castro stood at a wooden lectern for close to six hours and joked about an American intelligence assessment that he may be suffering from Parkinson's and could deteriorate in coming years.

"They have tried to kill me off so many times," Castro said...

Ironweed
11-21-2005, 10:46 AM
Don't ever count out the US when it comes to being capitalistically opportunistic in S. America or the Carribean!

I think that post-Castro Cuba is promptly going to degenerate into a ****hole like Jamaica, Haiti and Santo-Domingo. And in none of these places is there any political impediment in place by the US government to US citizens or corporations re: being "capitalistically opportunist," so, yes, I'd suggest that while you may not be able to count the US out, there's no reason in particular to think you could count the US in.

Please note that I'm no fan of Castro, but the Neocon fairy tale that all you have to do is sprinkle the pixie dust of democracy and all will be well has been shown to be a lie so many times and in so many different places that those who continue to hump it should at least have the good grace to be embarassed. Or admit their Trotskyist roots in the sense that facts have nothing at all to do with a pie in the sky policy.

As most of the ex pats are in Miami, they're just a plane flight away. And we have guns, Canadians don't.

Yes, a savage oligarchy to replace a savage dictator is certainly a possibility. And this will be an improvement of the average Cuban's life precisely how? Not that such a form of government would be unusual in Cuba, or course, but it would hardly lead to any kind of political stability.

jwreck
11-21-2005, 11:41 AM
Only if you think the fact that the Pope and Mohammed Ali (the boxer), and Michael J Fox the actor, plus a number of NZ athletes have Parkinsons means anything.lol. i guess the don't have humor in your neck of the woods.

I just can't believe some of you people! You seem to believe that you own the world, and can wish death on the leaders of coutries you fear, or invade them to replace leaders you hate. News flash, Cuba and Venezuela are independent states with people who have a right to their own systems.i guess you'll have to get all the angry new zealanders together and come stop us. :|

KillZone
11-21-2005, 11:56 AM
I just can't believe some of you people! You seem to believe that you own the world, and can wish death on the leaders of coutries you fear, or invade them to replace leaders you hate. News flash, Cuba and Venezuela are independent states with people who have a right to their own systems.

I am glad you used some of you people. I sure do not believe that the US should “own the world" or does "own the world," etc.:)

Truth Teller
11-21-2005, 03:22 PM
Perhaps the US will have the balls to invade and finally put and end to the socialist failure in Cuba.

In 1962 the U.S. signed a pact not to invade Cuba [that's what got the missles out without World War III resulting],so it can't legally be done.

Besdies,China is much,much,much worse[and I'm saying that as one who does not like what Castro has done since 1960] ,so why not invade there first?

Truth Teller
11-21-2005, 03:24 PM
Please note that I'm no fan of Castro, but the Neocon fairy tale that all you have to do is sprinkle the pixie dust of democracy and all will be well has been shown to be a lie so many times and in so many different places that those who continue to hump it should at least have the good grace to be embarassed. Or admit their Trotskyist roots in the sense that facts have nothing at all to do with a pie in the sky policy.


I couldn't have said it better myself.:nice:

Feenix566
11-21-2005, 05:50 PM
What happens next will all depend on the character of the Cuban people as a whole. Judging by their past track record, I'm not optimistic about the future.

Remember, Castro cannot possibly be solely responsible for all the wrongs of Cuba. He has many men who carry out his orders, have been generously rewarded for their service, and would strongly resist any change to the status quo. A country cannot possibly fall apart because of one man. There is always a group of people following his orders who actually cause all the damage.

So, in short, I don't expect anything to change.

Della April
11-21-2005, 06:45 PM
You make this sound like a bad thing.
The only possible answer to that is - well, duh!

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