* PRIVATE CITIES: Tired of bad roads, dismal service from city employees, and skyrocketing local taxes? Move to a private city instead.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 10 million Americans -- 100,000 in Irvine Ranch, California, alone -- now live in so-called "master-planned communities" (MPC), which are privately developed and privately operated towns.

What's the appeal? Strict covenant and deed restrictions (which are the free market alternative to zoning laws); resident-friendly planning; generous parks, jogging trails, and wooded areas; tight security; and community associations that allow all property owners to share in decision-making, say residents.

"Within their enclaves these associations perform all the functions of a small government," reports The Economist, and "work to assure that the communities' amenities, public facilities and other areas are supported and maintained."

Planned communities are so popular that they account for 30% of all the new-home sales around Houston, Texas.

http://www.lp.org/lpn/9901-triumph.html

Basically it's like a country club, or a gated community, but on a much bigger scale. You get to choose your neighbours.

Just think, you could keep out bums and other undesirables http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/snyx.gif

Perhaps the most important function of the community association is enforcing deed restrictions. Deed restrictions are a form of private "zoning," in which developers establish certain rules to prevent undesirable buildings and land use. Like zoning, deed restrictions provide continuity within a given area; unlike zoning, deed restrictions are governed by market considerations.

"When you are developing a master-planned community you are essentially trying to make it so the [homeowner] doesn't have to leave the area to get what he wants," explains Dennis Guerra, a project manager for the First Colony master-planned community near Houston. This requires a careful marketing study to determine the amenities homeowners want. Retail shops, grocery and convenience stores, doctors, dentists, animal clinics, and other frequently visited businesses are often located within the community.

Most PUD's consist of a number of villages -- subdivisions within the PUD -- separated by the community's major roads. Business areas are located along these thoroughfares, which helps "keep cars essentially out of the residential areas," says Guerra. In planning a community, the developer must work closely with the business community to construct a plan which benefits businesses and future homeowners.

This does not mean that businesses dictate a community's plan. For many years, Guerra says, First Colony resisted attempts by various fast-food chains to build restaurants in the community. The locations sought by the chains would have drawn excessive traffic and disrupted the developer's master plan. Because developers must be concerned with the long-term economic success of their projects, such considerations are essential. Conversely, zoning boards are generally motivated by short-term political expediency. More significantly, deed restrictions eliminate zoning bureaucrats and the accompanying taxes.

http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8903phil.html

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it keeps out crappy businesses and it creates a pedestrian atmosphere, what more could you want?

:hiya:

Not really for me: when I'm not on my ranch in the desert, I live in the world's largest PUBLIC city - New York.

I don't think I'd be happy in such a restricted environment.

Wow, check out First Colony in Texas. :eek: :eek3: :nice:


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Lake Pointe Town Center is located in First Colony at the northwest corner of US 59 & Hwy 6 in Sugar Land, Texas. Construction has begun on this 186 acre mixed-use development which will include:

Lake Pointe Village Shopping Center ( 250,000 s.f.)
Upscale restaurants (approx. 11 sites)
Class A Office & Medical space (approx. 1.0 million s.f.)
Residential (patio homes, villas, brownstones and midrise condominiums)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/LP-Main-01.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/LP-Main-02.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/LP-Main-03.jpg

This pedestrian friendly development has the luxury of walkways along Oyster Creek. Many of the restaurants and residential lots will have waterviews. Upscale shopping at Lake Pointe Village is within walking distance for the residents of this area. There is also an extensive amount of office and medical spaces in this all inclusive mixed use center.

Planned Community Developers, Ltd. is the developer of First Colony, Lake Pointe Town Center, Sugar Land Town Square, River’s Edge and Waterside Estates developments.


Sugar Land Town Square

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/townsquare.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/townsquare1.jpg

http://www.firstcolonytexas.com/LPVillage.htm

Let the elitist pigs have their fancy estates, I could care less.

Reminds me of Battery Park City by Ground Zero.

:cooldance

Those pics are familiar, where are they from? Is this a repost?

Those pics are familiar, where are they from? Is this a repost?yes, the other thread didn't have a poll :(

How incredibly boring and insipid. Plus I don't live my life with the credo "out of site, out of mind."

Let the elitist pigs have their fancy estates, I could care less.where there's a market, there's a way. I'm sure they could have some middle class private cities up and running in no time :)

How incredibly boring and insipid. Plus I don't live my life with the credo "out of site, out of mind."how do you mean http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/happysad.gif

gosh. all the smiling white people in those pictures just brings a tear to my eye.






*single tear*

how do you mean http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/happysad.gif
Let's see, how can I make this incredibly simple so even an idiot could understand what I mean?

Living in a private city would be incredibly boring and insipid. Plus I don't live my life with the credo "out of site, out of mind."

Let's see, how can I make this incredibly simple so even an idiot could understand what I mean?

Living in a private city would be incredibly boring and insipid. Plus I don't live my life with the credo "out of site, out of mind."throw in a few waterslides :shrug:

CP doesn't need a private city. He would rather have the public pay for things that are exclusively his (and a few like-minded folks) to use such as The Private Urban Playground. This way, he pays only a tiny portion of the expense - the rest of the people who pay for it are excluded by the threat of being ticketed for daring to sit on a bench.

I have a big problem with convenants. I don't like to be told how I can paint my house, how often I can mow my lawn, types of cars that are allowable on the premises. Just isn't worth it to a redneck.

I live near a planned community of around 60,000 people called Peachtree City, GA. It started in 1959 and it's complete for the most part. Golf cart paths connect residential areas to shopping and an industrial park. Not many who work here can afford to live here as the companies in the industrial park don't pay much. If Delta airlines ever goes under, so will PTC. There are 5 sections and each has it's own recreation center. It's kind of built around a couple of man made lakes and several golf courses. If you want to paint your house, the color has to be approved by the city council. The golf carts are licensed and DUI's are given regularly on the paths. Parts of town are looking a bit dated now as they are 30+ tears old.

I have a big problem with convenants. I don't like to be told how I can paint my house, how often I can mow my lawn, types of cars that are allowable on the premises. Just isn't worth it to a redneck.I suppose it's not for everyone :)

I live near a planned community of around 60,000 people called Peachtree City, GA. It started in 1959 and it's complete for the most part. Golf cart paths connect residential areas to shopping and an industrial park. Not many who work here can afford to live here as the companies in the industrial park don't pay much. If Delta airlines ever goes under, so will PTC. There are 5 sections and each has it's own recreation center. It's kind of built around a couple of man made lakes and several golf courses. If you want to paint your house, the color has to be approved by the city council. The golf carts are licensed and DUI's are given regularly on the paths. Parts of town are looking a bit dated now as they are 30+ tears old.PUD's set up by companies are a tad different than the other one's where the council members are the shareholders (i.e. the homeowners). In any case, not everything has to be delt with democratically. You could set up a 'constitution' of sorts where it's hands off the color of your house, or the oil stain in your garage. As well, if these are to be money making ventures I'd imagine that they wouldn't want to annoy people by having burdensome rules or regulations. :)

86Dude,

What about a private city for us rednecks?

it kinda reminds me of those idyllic swiss villages where you have to register and be vetted by the council before being allowed to live there. :)

86Dude,

What about a private city for us rednecks?indeed, you could call the shots that way. I'd choose a town where I could party past 10 pm :cooldance

indeed, you could call the shots that way. I'd choose a town where I could party past 10 pm :cooldance
you're quite the rebel, aren't you thumpy.

In for "lam-o" :)

you're quite the rebel, aren't you thumpy.http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/kekekegay.gif

anyway, with these covenants you're also not overrun by immigrants or forced to become bilingual http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsughx3.gif

Tell me thumper... what is a lamo? Or do you mean Llama?

Think lame-o, DR. At least that's my take on it.

How incredibly boring and insipid.

hear! hear!

I live near a planned community of around 60,000 people called Peachtree City, GA. It started in 1959 and it's complete for the most part. Golf cart paths connect residential areas to shopping and an industrial park. Not many who work here can afford to live here as the companies in the industrial park don't pay much. If Delta airlines ever goes under, so will PTC. There are 5 sections and each has it's own recreation center. It's kind of built around a couple of man made lakes and several golf courses. If you want to paint your house, the color has to be approved by the city council. The golf carts are licensed and DUI's are given regularly on the paths. Parts of town are looking a bit dated now as they are 30+ tears old.

That's disturbing. Unfortunately the condo we rent has an HOA and that's more than enough for me. But I'm not going to vote in this poll, since I don't consider myself a lamo.

dude this is so communist , really.

gosh. all the smiling white people in those pictures just brings a tear to my eye.






*single tear*


Boy the people and the place sure does look inviting..

A lot better than the dumps 99% of DA users are currently living in im sure.

Boy the people and the place sure does look inviting..

A lot better than the dumps 99% of DA users are currently living in im sure.

What makes you say that? I'm sure you're wrong.

CP doesn't need a private city. He would rather have the public pay for things that are exclusively his (and a few like-minded folks) to use such as The Private Urban Playground. This way, he pays only a tiny portion of the expense - the rest of the people who pay for it are excluded by the threat of being ticketed for daring to sit on a bench.
I'm once again unimpressed by your continuing attempts to characterize a public playground that children everywhere use as some kind of perk for the rich. :rolleyes:

dude this is so communist , really.:bowrofl:

...A lot better than the dumps 99% of DA users are currently living in im sure.

I'm quite happy in the dump I'm in, thank you very much! :rolleyes:

Live & let live. Live in a private city if you want, don't live in one if you don't want to.

I definitely won't be voting, as I don't consider myself a 'lamo' and I couldn't consciously say 'yes' to privates cities because then all the rich men would have to come to the 'public' city to get a hooker and that just wouldn't be right. :P

I definitely won't be voting, as I don't consider myself a 'lamo' and I couldn't consciously say 'yes' to privates cities because then all the rich men would have to come to the 'public' city to get a hooker and that just wouldn't be right. :Pit's not just for rich people :)

What makes you say that? I'm sure you're wrong.


I'm sure I'm not...

I doubt Thumper has stats and stuff for this place but I would bet my last pound on that place having less crime that your current habitat, less undesirables than your current habitat, and less blah blah...

Actually, where is your current habitat?

I'm sure I'm not...

I doubt Thumper has stats and stuff for this place but I would bet my last pound on that place having less crime that your current habitat, less undesirables than your current habitat, and less blah blah...

Actually, where is your current habitat?this would make sense. as shareholders to a private city, would any of us welcome welfare recipients? gang members? terrorists? etc.

Private cities solve the dilemma of 'civil right' vs 'police state'.

In a regular city where it's a giant piece of public property, like for example London, it has to be fitted with literally over a million cameras because they have to accomodate terrorists who have the 'civil right' to ride the 'public' subway, and the 'public' busses, and the public everything else. For this reason, everyone else is forced to live in a straighjacket.

By privatizing all property, we don't risk the life of everyone else. :)

That'd be awesome! Only they should do it Truman Show style and put a huge weather-controlling dome over it :nice:

I despise the idea of cookie-cutter buildings of any sort.

Preserving the old architecture we have left here has been quite a battle of late.

I despise the idea of cookie-cutter buildings of any sort.

Preserving the old architecture we have left here has been quite a battle of late.it wouldn't be a problem to hire an architect to make everything gothic style :o

I'm sure I'm not...

I doubt Thumper has stats and stuff for this place but I would bet my last pound on that place having less crime that your current habitat, less undesirables than your current habitat, and less blah blah...

Actually, where is your current habitat?

I live in a small north-side suburb of Seattle. Mountlake Terrace. It's a hell of a lot nicer than the crap neighborhood we used to live in in the city. I really doubt 99% of DA posters live in a "dump" though.

OCP and Delta City anyone?

Where is robocop when you need him?

Wow. What scared little people in there scared little world. Never getting to experience jack **** about other peoples culture. I feel sorry for them, and especially there poor sheltered children. :(

Wow. What scared little people in there scared little world. Never getting to experience jack **** about other peoples culture. I feel sorry for them, and especially there poor sheltered children. :(
sorry enough to make private cities illegal? http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsugh.gif

sorry enough to make private cities illegal? http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsugh.gif

Theres no way it'll work anyway, so go ahead untill it collapses in itself.

Heh. Seattle doesn't seem to have diverse culture, and certainly not as good of food (unless you like seafood :P) especially since I'm from the LA area. I miss it a lot. I miss mexican food, I miss avocados, I miss frozen yogurt.

Theres no way it'll work anyway, so go ahead untill it collapses in itself.yea. how dare they be independent from the government :rolleyes:

yea. how dare they be independent from the government :rolleyes:

*sigh* They arent independent from the govt..... Where do you come up with this ****?

*sigh* They arent independent from the govt..... Where do you come up with this ****?Instead of depending on public services such as roads, central planning, garbage collection, tax collection, etc. they do it on their own on a basis of user fees and they keep the riff raff out at the same :)

so let's talk about what our ideal private cities would look like. i wanna cool moat and drawbridge :cooldance

Instead of depending on public services such as roads, central planning, garbage collection, tax collection, etc. they do it on their own on a basis of user fees and they keep the riff raff out at the same :)

A. As a part of the united states, they still pay taxes to the US govt.

B. As a part of the united states, they are still protected by the US govt.

C. As a part of the unitd states, they are still restricted to all laws within the states they are located.

D. All there incoming city leaders are (most likely) trained at colleges and universities within the US.

E. They enjoy all the benefits of Social Security.

F. They enjoy the state police's protection, as well as (likely) US trained inner city police.


These are but a very few brief things that explain why they are not indipindent from the US. I really dont know why I wasted my time trying to teach someone who i'm beginning to presume has no formal education on the workings of the US govt., but oh well.

A. As a part of the united states, they still pay taxes to the US govt.

B. As a part of the united states, they are still protected by the US govt.

C. As a part of the unitd states, they are still restricted to all laws within the states they are located.

D. All there incoming city leaders are (most likely) trained at colleges and universities within the US.

E. They enjoy all the benefits of Social Security.

F. They enjoy the state police's protection, as well as (likely) US trained inner city police.


These are but a very few brief things that explain why they are not indipindent from the US. I really dont know why I wasted my time trying to teach someone who i'm beginning to presume has no formal education on the workings of the US govt., but oh well.The government is there to protect our rights, not to protect our wellbeing.

And in a libertarian society, you can strike down pretty much all your points from B to F. :cooldance

And in a libertarian society, you can strike down pretty much all your points from B to F. :cooldance

Libertarians advocate one regime ruling systems? Wow... its a good thing I dont believe you represent much about libertarians.

Libertarians advocate one regime ruling systems? Wow... its a good thing I dont believe you represent much about libertarians.It's a good thing you have no idea of what you're talking about or I might actually have to waste my time arguing with you :p

It's a good thing you have no idea of what you're talking about or I might actually have to waste my time arguing with you :p

Dude. Your acting like Libertarians advocate a communist rule law, which in itself voids libertarianism alltogether.

And whats more, a Libertarian society does not equate to one without people of other skin color then yours. Therefor even if a libertarian society was feasable, your still going to be forced to deal with diverse people. Maybe even work with them. :eek:

I know! Evil world isnt it?

Dude. Your acting like Libertarians advocate a communist rule law, which in itself voids libertarianism alltogether.

And whats more, a Libertarian society does not equate to one without people of other skin color then yours. Therefor even if a libertarian society was feasable, your still going to be forced to deal with diverse people. Maybe even work with them. :eek:

I know! Evil world isnt it?

I don't want this to become another long and drawn out insult thread, so I'll be nice :)

No, I don't advocate communism. Please cite a reference for that.

As well, I never said that other races were incapable of creating a libertarian society. I would totally support it. I think if the various communist nations of Africa became libertarian that would help precipitate a total turn around :)

I honestly don't know why you and CP have a hard on for injecting this multi-kult party line in just about every single thread I make, when it's not the subject at hand. As well, as libertarians we don't believe in force. Freedom of association and mutual interaction is what creates healthy communities. I still have no idea why it's so important to you and CowPunk that 'white bigots' should hire black people, or why Palestinians should create Israeli community centers in their towns (tolerance!), or how Irish Catholics should accomadate Irish Protestants, or why Italians need to eat French food.

Once again, no libertarian is telling you that you cannot interact with whomever you choose, so why do you get self-righteous about telling me and others who we can and cannot hang out with? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/serotonin.gif

I don't want this to become another long and drawn out insult thread, so I'll be nice :)

No, I don't advocate communism. Please cite a reference for that.

Your constant advocation of a 'libertarian society'. The fact is that Libertarianism is nothing more then a twit on Liberalism that would lead into Anarchy. Therefor the only way to support a Libertarian Society would be communist-like rule.


I honestly don't know why you and CP have a hard on for injecting this multi-kult party line in just about every single thread I make, when it's not the subject at hand.

Because, it seems to be a big part of everything you say. And regarding society, race is a very big part of an issue your bringing up regarding developing a specific society. And even if you do create threads that arent about race, this certainly isnt one of them.


As well, as libertarians we don't believe in force. Freedom of association and mutual interaction is what creates healthy communities. I still have no idea why it's so important to you and CowPunk that 'white bigots' should hire black people, or why Palestinians should create Israeli community centers in their towns (tolerance!), or how Irish Catholics should accomadate Irish Protestants, or why Italians need to eat French food.

Because, theres no reason not to. You dont seem to realize that there are extremitsts to what you advocate, even if what you might advocate isnt so bad. In order to stop the extremities, we have to go ahead and say 'ok, this is really useless anyway, but becase its causing harm, this needless hate needs to stop altogether'. And that is the basic principle--Harm to others unecessarily. You speak about how you dont believe in the use of force, but force is needed in given circumstances to stop very bad things. Such as the insane lynchings that occured in the US pre-1950's. Racism in itself isnt bad if people dont do bad things with it, but people take it to the point of beating in the face of a 12 year old, putting barbed wire around his neck, attaching it to a cottin gin motor and throwing him into the river. Its unecessary to begin with and serves no purpose except to cause pain.

Exclusion in general causes pain, which is sadly what Im fairly confident your views on race are generated by. Without exclusion, with tolerance, there is no need to destroy eachother. The anarchistic ideals of libertarians would never work in applicaiton of a society of descent size. on small scale, perhaps, but not on hundreds of millions of people.

Because, theres no reason not to. You dont seem to realize that there are extremitsts to what you advocate, even if what you might advocate isnt so bad. In order to stop the extremities, we have to go ahead and say 'ok, this is really useless anyway, but becase its causing harm, this needless hate needs to stop altogether'. And that is the basic principle--Harm to others unecessarily. You speak about how you dont believe in the use of force, but force is needed in given circumstances to stop very bad things. Such as the insane lynchings that occured in the US pre-1950's. Racism in itself isnt bad if people dont do bad things with it, but people take it to the point of beating in the face of a 12 year old, putting barbed wire around his neck, attaching it to a cottin gin motor and throwing him into the river. Its unecessary to begin with and serves no purpose except to cause pain.what's unneccessary is forcing two hostile groups to be 'tolerant' of eachother when the feeling isn't mutual. In your above example, the KKK and blacks.

Is it really a surprise that 'neo-nazism' is most prevalent in European countries where third world immigration is highest? Why are Right Wing parties becoming more and more popular? Would anti-Islamic sentiment be so high if there weren't muslim riots in Paris right now? Are the principles of cause and effect really that foreign to you?

What's extreme is forcing people to adopt your ideal United Colors of Bennetton society, and then watching the sh*t fly when they react to it. Believe me when I tell you that we're in complete agreement that those examples you listed of violence and war is totally wrong. But please tell me you're smart enough to see the causes, and not just the reaction.

Thumper, let me show you what you advocate.

This 12 year old boy.

http://www.teachnet-lab.org/buskey/emmitt-till.jpg

Three weeks later, became this.

http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/EDG2701%20All%20Classes/emmett1.jpg.


If you would care to show me the example, where two people of different color getting along has ever caused this, I might be willing to rethink my principles of how god-awful racism is.

Thumper, let me show you what you advocate.

This 12 year old boy.

http://www.teachnet-lab.org/buskey/emmitt-till.jpg

Three weeks later, became this.

http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/EDG2701%20All%20Classes/emmett1.jpg.


If you would care to show me the example, where two people of different color getting along has ever caused this, I might be willing to rethink my principles of how god-awful racism is.:doh:

I have a big problem with convenants. I don't like to be told how I can paint my house, how often I can mow my lawn, types of cars that are allowable on the premises. Just isn't worth it to a redneck.

I dig how you feel , but there are two sides to it man. HOAs don't want rednecks painting their houses pink and driving the neighborhood into the ground.

Rednecks don't paint their houses pink - Asian and Dot-Indian Immigrants do that.

Rednecks don't paint their houses at all. They go for the natural driftwood look.

I honestly don't know why you and CP have a hard on for injecting this multi-kult party line in just about every single thread I make, when it's not the subject at hand. As well, as libertarians we don't believe in force. Freedom of association and mutual interaction is what creates healthy communities. I still have no idea why it's so important to you and CowPunk that 'white bigots' should hire black people, or why Palestinians should create Israeli community centers in their towns (tolerance!), or how Irish Catholics should accomadate Irish Protestants, or why Italians need to eat French food.
The reason why equal opportunity hiring is important is that racial discrimination limits the number of jobs available for already economically disadvantaged minorities.

The rest are straw men - no one's saying you have to eat any specific type of food or create ethnic community centers, etc.

The reason why equal opportunity hiring is important is that racial discrimination limits the number of jobs available for already economically disadvantaged minorities.

The rest are straw men - no one's saying you have to eat any specific type of food or create ethnic community centers, etc.How is that a strawman? Liberals have stated explicitly that their goal is to 'promote diversity' at all costs, and for the most part, whether the people like it or not.

As for your chronically disadvantaged minorities, just like all liberal self-created problems, they are in that position mainly because they are made to be completely dependent on the 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' of the white community or government. Welfare pimps like yourself need to exploiting blacks in this vicious cycle.

How is that a strawman? Liberals have stated explicitly that their goal is to 'promote diversity' at all costs, and for the most part, whether the people like it or not.
No liberal I know of has ever said that, nor has anyone, to my knowledge, suggested that American citizens be forced to eat any specific type of food, so please provide a source.

As for your chronically disadvantaged minorities, just like all liberal self-created problems, they are in that position mainly because they are made to be completely dependent on the 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' of the white community or government. Welfare pimps like yourself need to exploiting blacks in this vicious cycle.
Bunk - the lasting effects of segregation & discrimination in employment, housing, & education are responsible for that disadvantage & scapegoating welfare is stupid.

Welfare is work-dependent & time-limited & has been for over a decade. If whites are permitted to racially discriminate, welfare can't be blamed for the problem.

No liberal I know of has ever said that, nor has anyone, to my knowledge, suggested that American citizens be forced to eat any specific type of food, so please provide a source.if a private place of employment MUST be racially and culturally and religiously diverse, where does it end?Bunk - the lasting effects of segregation & discrimination in employment, housing, & education are responsible for that disadvantage & scapegoating welfare is stupid.Actually at one time, blacks were self-sufficient and had something to be proud of. I know that's hard to believe, and you'd much rather play mr. Missionary, but you are only creating last dependence on the White Man's 'tolerance'.

Welfare is work-dependent & time-limited & has been for over a decade. If whites are permitted to racially discriminate, welfare can't be blamed for the problem.ah yes, whites are the key to everything aren't they (and you're calling me the supremacist).

Maybe in the future if the UN wants to be more effective, instead of sending money to poor countries, they should instead send a delegation of white folks to civilize, set up businesses, and give jobs to the indigenous community.

What a horrible destiny it is to not be born white and never have the means to help yourself :nonono:

if a private place of employment MUST be racially and culturally and religiously diverse, where does it end?
At your front door. Ensuring hiring diversity has nothing to do with forcing you to bring anyone into your home or anything into your body. There's no slippery slope there.

Actually at one time, blacks were self-sufficient and had something to be proud of.
During segregation, when unemployment was over 50%? Doubtful.

I know that's hard to believe, and you'd much rather play mr. Missionary, but you are only creating last dependence on the White Man's 'tolerance'.
Not permitting racial discrmination in hiring does not create "dependence." You're confusing welfare & employment.

ah yes, whites are the key to everything aren't they (and you're calling me the supremacist).
Since white people control most of the hiring & all the institutions of control, yes, they're kinda important in this process.

Maybe in the future if the UN wants to be more effective, instead of sending money to poor countries, they should instead send a delegation of white folks to civilize, set up businesses, and give jobs to the indigenous community.
Maybe, but it has nothing to do with our discussion.

What a horrible destiny it is to not be born white and never have the means to help yourself :nonono:
How you're supposed to "help yourself" without a job is a bit hard to understand. There's not even close to enough black employers to create a reasonable level of employment for blacks.

I live in Reston (http://www.reston.org/), commonly cited as the first totally planned city. Basically, the whole city is one giant condo association. I personally can't stand it. I only live here because I rent, and it's where I work. The benefits, low crime, excellent "public" facilities (actually not public, only open to members of the Reston Association, but that's basically the whole city), good roads, and clean, but I'd much rather live in a real city than in a soulless wasteland of plastic yuppies.

If I had a family, I may reconsider, 'cause this would be a pretty great place to raise kids. But I don't.

At your front door. Ensuring hiring diversity has nothing to do with forcing you to bring anyone into your home or anything into your body. There's no slippery slope there.are you sure about that. I mean the civilizing influence of the earth-angels (whites) is such a wonderful thing, how can deny them even that opportunity?

During segregation, when unemployment was over 50%? Doubtful.proof?


Not permitting racial discrmination in hiring does not create "dependence." You're confusing welfare & employment.Actually it does, hence the Black 'leadership' is constantly lobbying for more 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' from their 'oppressors'.

Since white people control most of the hiring & all the institutions of control, yes, they're kinda important in this process.What a miracle then, that Indian and Asian communities have surpassed the national mean in terms of house hold income and business ownership... and they're not even white???? :eek3:

Maybe, but it has nothing to do with our discussion.This is the most honest you've ever been since I started debating with you.

Yes, perhaps the real solution to the world's problems is to spread white civilization to all the 'darker' parts of the earth. This is our new cross to carry. :|

How you're supposed to "help yourself" without a job is a bit hard to understand. There's not even close to enough black employers to create a reasonable level of employment for blacks.You won't learn to swim until you jump into the water. I think it's getting beyond patronizing now, and even offensive to me as human being (even though I'm not black), the way you compare them to children who need to have their hands held on the way to the bathroom.

are you sure about that. I mean the civilizing influence of the earth-angels (whites) is such a wonderful thing, how can deny them even that opportunity?
Because you have constitutional right to privacy, while employers have no right to racially discriminate in hiring.

proof?
www.nupr.neu.edu/7-04/Black%20males%20report.pdf

For example, in 1954, only 52% of black 18 & 19 year olds weren't idle year round.


Actually it does, hence the Black 'leadership' is constantly lobbying for more 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' from their 'oppressors'.
Actually, it does, and tolerance & acceptance have nothing to do with "dependence." An employed person is only dependent on their employer, whether black or white.

What a miracle then, that Indian and Asian communities have surpassed the national mean in terms of house hold income and business ownership... and they're not even white???? :eek3:
Since neither of them were subjected to unique black oppression - in fact, many were preferrably hired for jobs in the technology sector - that's irrelevant.

This is the most honest you've ever been since I started debating with you.

Yes, perhaps the real solution to the world's problems is to spread white civilization to all the 'darker' parts of the earth. This is our new cross to carry. :|
Since has nothing to do with simply not refusing to hire people because of the color of their skin, it's irrelevant. Making racial discrimination illegal has nothing to do with conquering other population groups.

You make the most ridiculous straw men out of simple propositions I've ever seen.

You won't learn to swim until you jump into the water. I think it's getting beyond patronizing now, and even offensive to me as human being (even though I'm not black), the way you compare them to children who need to have their hands held on the way to the bathroom.
You can't do anything if you're unemployed. The idea that black people who are refused jobs simply on the basis of the color of their skin will somehow just learn to be "self-sufficient" - as if whites would do any differently - is just stupid. If you don't have income, there's no magical way to create resources for yourself.

bumped in light of the immigration debate

bumped in light of the immigration debate

What's with the bumping of old threads to argue about races?

Aren't there race-only boards you can hang at, or do the big boys eat you alive?

What's with the bumping of old threads to argue about races?

Aren't there race-only boards you can hang at, or do the big boys eat you alive?i'm arguing immigration and forced integration

I think its more like your stirring something that smells suspiciously like manure. :hmm:

I would be in favor of living anywhere where I have control over my own home and, as long as I am not bugging anyone I get left the **** alone. In my town I was harassed by building inspectors because my ex told them I had built some shit without a permit. In my opinion its nobody's ****ing business what is in my basement so if you don't like it than stay the **** out.