They rejected these proposals?

Voters overwhelmingly defeated Proposition 76, the governor's centerpiece proposal to slow the growth of state spending and give him authority to make midyear budget cuts. Proposition 77, which would have redrawn legislative and congressional districts, also lost by a wide margin.

Failing by slimmer spreads were Proposition 74, a plan to lengthen teachers' probationary period from two years to five, and Proposition 75, which would have required public employee unions to get members' permission before dues could be used for political purposes.

Did they actually buy the utter BS in the multi-million dollar smear ads against these propositions? These are not radical right-wing measures, they are simply proposals to improve the government and make life in California better. Of course the Democrats and unions were against them because they threaten their power, but why couldn't Californians see past their lies?

I can't even think of one good reason to vote against any of these propositions. They all give more power to the people, take power away from the interests and the state and help address the poor fiscal state of California.

:nonono:

How many of these propositions limited the influence of trade associations and corporations?

How many of these propositions limited the influence of trade associations and corporations?

Red herring.

Red herring.
The point, of course, is that campaign finance reform has to be done in a fair, bipartisan fashion - like BCRA. Redistricting reform also has to be done at the federal level (by a constitutional amendment) or else we'll see similar results as we did in Cali and Ohio.

Redistricting reform also has to be done at the federal level (by a constitutional amendment) or else we'll see similar results as we did in Cali and Ohio.

False. The proposal would have put redistricting powers in the hands of independent commissions (either judges or a bipartisan committee, can't recall right now), not the state legislature who has an interest in gerrymandering. No need for federal interference.

Of course the Democrats and unions were against them because they threaten their power, but why couldn't Californians see past their lies?

I don't think the democrat Californians even understand the concepts, they just vote like the brainless sheep who voted for Corzine in New Jersey.

I think that many are. First voting to recall Davis was a huge boondoggle, Arnie gets the state with four flat tires and still hasn't located the spare.

Then there were at least a couple of no brainers on the ballot and all failed because of what? ....Bush Backlash? Arnie Anger?

The point, of course, is that campaign finance reform has to be done in a fair, bipartisan fashion - like BCRA. Redistricting reform also has to be done at the federal level (by a constitutional amendment) or else we'll see similar results as we did in Cali and Ohio.

The redistricting is very specifically a state issue and doesn't have anything to do with the federal government.

What campaign finance reform was on the ballot and how was it not fair?


You don't think that public unions are co-equal with private unions do you?

And enter the character bashers.

Con--er, rubicon, as a Californian, I personally find your thread title offensive and inflammatory, and since there are several members on here with a shorter temper than I have, I am going to lock this thread before you succeed in inflaming conversation beyond the point of civil debate.

Feel free to repost this material, but DO NOT DO SO IN AN INFLAMMATORY FASHION.